[windowswashed]

So are you saying approximately 400 are 8 weekly ? And the rest are 4 weekly ? If so that’s a doodle especially if they are small houses and less than 10 muinits per house you should easily be able to do that on your own and have spare days to build further , don’t see why you need an employee?.

No I was a bit out just checked its 335 8 weekly and 308 4 weekly but I've got about 30 to add to cleaner planner so maybe about 355 8 weekly and 318 4 weekly roughly.

It's about 1600 quid a week x 52 weeks of the year.

Obviously I don't work 52 weeks more like 47 and I don't  normally work Fridays either and I like to finish by 2 or 3pm at the latest. 

So yes whilst technically it might be possible on paper to do 350 a day 5 days a week there no way I can keep it up ive tried before. When you factor in bad weather and red hot summers I would have to be an absolute machine to do it.

Anyway besides all that I dont want to do it that's the thing. 

I have about 83k on the books I think now so I  a great position to employ I just Nedd to find someone quick before I collapse under the pressure  it's lots of customers already asking where are you lol

No wonder you are sick of your job running yourself into the ground.

Pick your best work, sell the rest and go have a holiday.

Come back to a refined round, easier, best paid, more  life/work/rest balance .........makes all the difference.

[andycap]

I’m tired just thinking about that sort of workload😳...are you also not into vat territory?
How old are you? I just like an amble me ...definitely no racing around unless it’s for the carsey of course 🥴

[Smudger]

Don’t worry that new employee will cull some work lol.

Haha hoping this time ive nailed it, he has many years wfp experience im more confident than ive ever been. Cant wait to get going tbh im 2 weeks behind and 670 customers  towing my b******s off on my own

I give 3 weeks before your back on your own...

Many years of experience = problems - can't be shown things - work their way (usually slowly) - full of bad habits 

Good luck tho

Darran

[deeege]

I’m tired just thinking about that sort of workload😳...are you also not into vat territory?
How old are you? I just like an amble me ...definitely no racing around unless it’s for the carsey of course 🥴

Same.

I’d bet in reality he’s nowhere near Vat threshold as even though work planner has £83k of work he’s always weeks behind so actual turnover is far less than the £83k. Am I right Stoots?

[Splash & dash]

So are you saying approximately 400 are 8 weekly ? And the rest are 4 weekly ? If so that’s a doodle especially if they are small houses and less than 10 muinits per house you should easily be able to do that on your own and have spare days to build further , don’t see why you need an employee?.

No I was a bit out just checked its 335 8 weekly and 308 4 weekly but I've got about 30 to add to cleaner planner so maybe about 355 8 weekly and 318 4 weekly roughly.

It's about 1600 quid a week x 52 weeks of the year.

Obviously I don't work 52 weeks more like 47 and I don't  normally work Fridays either and I like to finish by 2 or 3pm at the latest. 

So yes whilst technically it might be possible on paper to do 350 a day 5 days a week there no way I can keep it up ive tried before. When you factor in bad weather and red hot summers I would have to be an absolute machine to do it.

Anyway besides all that I dont want to do it that's the thing. 

I have about 83k on the books I think now so I  a great position to employ I just Nedd to find someone quick before I collapse under the pressure  it's lots of customers already asking where are you lol

Ok , but it’s a big difference between what can be done and what you want to do , I don’t blame you not wanting to work 8-5 5 days a week  but that amount of work can easily be done by one person working full time hours , however I don’t blame you wanting to take time out , as has already been said either price much higher with all new jobs and sell off or dump cheaper stuff , or employ I know you have done this before and had problems the key factor is getting the right persons , asking the right questions at interviews and a long trial period 2-3 months see how they get on , also offer a decent bonus if certain targets are achieved, there are decent employees out there you just need to find them . But with VAT looming you need rapid growth up to and over the 100k mark

[Slacky]

That's 24 houses a day.

That's a lot isn't it? Day in day out. Day after day. I would've thought trying to do that with two people would be a friggin' nightmare. You spend more time dodging and excusing each other. It might be a bit different if your round had larger properties but knocking out a shed load of poxy 3 bedders like that, no thanks.

[Splash & dash]

That's 24 houses a day.

That's a lot isn't it? Day in day out. Day after day. I would've thought trying to do that with two people would be a friggin' nightmare. You spend more time dodging and excusing each other. It might be a bit different if your round had larger properties but knocking out a shed load of poxy 3 bedders like that, no thanks.

If it’s compact work it’s easy we do 40 plus 3 bed semis per day per man without breaking into a sweat , might be dull and boring but very profitable

[Ggh]

If you’re not bored of window cleaning after a couple of years, there’s something wrong with you.

[Splash & dash]

If you’re not bored of window cleaning after a couple of years, there’s something wrong with you.

It pays better than most other jobs with minimal hassle, might be dull and boring but most people don’t enjoy what they do for work , I would rather earn top money and be a bit bored that stack shelves in Tesco

[Stoots]

That's 24 houses a day.

That's a lot isn't it? Day in day out. Day after day. I would've thought trying to do that with two people would be a friggin' nightmare. You spend more time dodging and excusing each other. It might be a bit different if your round had larger properties but knocking out a shed load of poxy 3 bedders like that, no thanks.

I do 24 on my own fairly comfortably, maybe 6 hours work. with 2 people i would aim for 40 houses. I prefer doing lots of 3 bed semis to the bigger house. I do have a day where i do about 15 houses, its in the best part of town all 4 or 5 bed detached and its my least favourite day, lots of reching over connys, velux windows etc. That day i fond more draining on the body than doign lots of small house swith my 18ft pole.

[Stoots]

So are you saying approximately 400 are 8 weekly ? And the rest are 4 weekly ? If so that’s a doodle especially if they are small houses and less than 10 muinits per house you should easily be able to do that on your own and have spare days to build further , don’t see why you need an employee?.

No I was a bit out just checked its 335 8 weekly and 308 4 weekly but I've got about 30 to add to cleaner planner so maybe about 355 8 weekly and 318 4 weekly roughly.

It's about 1600 quid a week x 52 weeks of the year.

Obviously I don't work 52 weeks more like 47 and I don't  normally work Fridays either and I like to finish by 2 or 3pm at the latest. 

So yes whilst technically it might be possible on paper to do 350 a day 5 days a week there no way I can keep it up ive tried before. When you factor in bad weather and red hot summers I would have to be an absolute machine to do it.

Anyway besides all that I dont want to do it that's the thing. 

I have about 83k on the books I think now so I  a great position to employ I just Nedd to find someone quick before I collapse under the pressure  it's lots of customers already asking where are you lol

Ok , but it’s a big difference between what can be done and what you want to do , I don’t blame you not wanting to work 8-5 5 days a week  but that amount of work can easily be done by one person working full time hours , however I don’t blame you wanting to take time out , as has already been said either price much higher with all new jobs and sell off or dump cheaper stuff , or employ I know you have done this before and had problems the key factor is getting the right persons , asking the right questions at interviews and a long trial period 2-3 months see how they get on , also offer a decent bonus if certain targets are achieved, there are decent employees out there you just need to find them . But with VAT looming you need rapid growth up to and over the 100k mark

You are right it could be done, but i think that more the kind of workload you would give an employee, what sole trader in his right mind would want to work 9 til 5 x 5 days a week ? you only do that if you have to ie: you are employed.

[Stoots]

That's 24 houses a day.

That's a lot isn't it? Day in day out. Day after day. I would've thought trying to do that with two people would be a friggin' nightmare. You spend more time dodging and excusing each other. It might be a bit different if your round had larger properties but knocking out a shed load of poxy 3 bedders like that, no thanks.

If it’s compact work it’s easy we do 40 plus 3 bed semis per day per man without breaking into a sweat , might be dull and boring but very profitable

yeh mines not compact enough to do that many, mines pretty much all 1 house then move the van.

[windowswashed]

Take on too much work, run yourself into the ground  and burn out trying to achieve it all within the duration you set. Customers start complaining over the following months you're behind and start looking elsewhere.

One thing you can guarantee is  that really good work that likes prompt, regular cleans will leave and look elsewhere whilst  the lowest priced work you have will remain with you forever and a day as they realise they have a bargain at them prices.

I would rather have a round I can easily get around on time that I enjoy, than run myself like a busy fool trying to over do it, keep losing good work and replacing it over and over. Just a nice trickle of selective work coming in to replace lost work from natural causes, moving, selling up, the usual stuff.

[Splash & dash]

So are you saying approximately 400 are 8 weekly ? And the rest are 4 weekly ? If so that’s a doodle especially if they are small houses and less than 10 muinits per house you should easily be able to do that on your own and have spare days to build further , don’t see why you need an employee?.

No I was a bit out just checked its 335 8 weekly and 308 4 weekly but I've got about 30 to add to cleaner planner so maybe about 355 8 weekly and 318 4 weekly roughly.

It's about 1600 quid a week x 52 weeks of the year.

Obviously I don't work 52 weeks more like 47 and I don't  normally work Fridays either and I like to finish by 2 or 3pm at the latest. 

So yes whilst technically it might be possible on paper to do 350 a day 5 days a week there no way I can keep it up ive tried before. When you factor in bad weather and red hot summers I would have to be an absolute machine to do it.

Anyway besides all that I dont want to do it that's the thing. 

I have about 83k on the books I think now so I  a great position to employ I just Nedd to find someone quick before I collapse under the pressure  it's lots of customers already asking where are you lol

Ok , but it’s a big difference between what can be done and what you want to do , I don’t blame you not wanting to work 8-5 5 days a week  but that amount of work can easily be done by one person working full time hours , however I don’t blame you wanting to take time out , as has already been said either price much higher with all new jobs and sell off or dump cheaper stuff , or employ I know you have done this before and had problems the key factor is getting the right persons , asking the right questions at interviews and a long trial period 2-3 months see how they get on , also offer a decent bonus if certain targets are achieved, there are decent employees out there you just need to find them . But with VAT looming you need rapid growth up to and over the 100k mark

You are right it could be done, but i think that more the kind of workload you would give an employee, what sole trader in his right mind would want to work 9 til 5 x 5 days a week ? you only do that if you have to ie: you are employed.

Staff generally want to work 35-40 hour weeks , I cannot find anyone who wants part  time hours , when you are your own boss it’s easy to start late and finish early and obviously that’s why most choose to work for themselves, but if you were an employee you would be working 9-5 or what ever . I know many sole traders that do those hours as they want to work that way , but there is no right or wrong it’s down to what each person wants to do and how much they need to earn .

[Splash & dash]

That's 24 houses a day.

That's a lot isn't it? Day in day out. Day after day. I would've thought trying to do that with two people would be a friggin' nightmare. You spend more time dodging and excusing each other. It might be a bit different if your round had larger properties but knocking out a shed load of poxy 3 bedders like that, no thanks.

If it’s compact work it’s easy we do 40 plus 3 bed semis per day per man without breaking into a sweat , might be dull and boring but very profitable

yeh mines not compact enough to do that many, mines pretty much all 1 house then move the van.

Ok guess ime lucky we have estates of houses ware we have 3 vans working for a week at a time and only move half a mile all week we have runs of work with 25-50 houses without  having to move the van  do  one side of the road then cross over and work back . That’s how we manage to di the volume of houses per day per man it’s easy to do 4-6 per hour depending on size

[Smudger]

Totally agree - when I was on the tools I would do 8 to 4 everyday - longer when there was s/f/g work through the summer - and when employing I was first in - last home

even now I'm not on the tools I am in at 8 am to check in all is ok

Darran

[Stoots]

That's 24 houses a day.

That's a lot isn't it? Day in day out. Day after day. I would've thought trying to do that with two people would be a friggin' nightmare. You spend more time dodging and excusing each other. It might be a bit different if your round had larger properties but knocking out a shed load of poxy 3 bedders like that, no thanks.

If it’s compact work it’s easy we do 40 plus 3 bed semis per day per man without breaking into a sweat , might be dull and boring but very profitable

yeh mines not compact enough to do that many, mines pretty much all 1 house then move the van.

Ok guess ime lucky we have estates of houses ware we have 3 vans working for a week at a time and only move half a mile all week we have runs of work with 25-50 houses without  having to move the van  do  one side of the road then cross over and work back . That’s how we manage to di the volume of houses per day per man it’s easy to do 4-6 per hour depending on size

Yeh i have nothing like that ive a few stops where i clean 2 or 3 and i think 1 stop where i clean 4 but 99% of my round is 1 job then move the van, a lot of the time its just onto the next street with a 2 man team ive always done about 40 houses and on my own about 25 that working say 8 till 3.

[Stoots]

1st day with new guy went well. He knows what hes doing didnt need to teach him anything apart from slow down a bit. He was used to doing 30 a day so was a bit fast! Only did 30 jobs today between us but 15 were first cleans and we were done for 3pm. Will put 40 maintenance cleans on for tomorrow and see how we get on.

So much better than having to train someone from scratch.

Need more work now

[NWH]

Then there’s the extra Tax etc and the fact that you are now saddled with having to go in most days for the foreseeable,bye bye those summer days off for this years then Stoots.

[Stoots]

Then there’s the extra Tax etc and the fact that you are now saddled with having to go in most days for the foreseeable,bye bye those summer days off for this years then Stoots.

Nah i wont be working with him for more than a month, theres really no need he can clean windows and has worked on his own for years using cleaner planner so as long as he sticks around and i can get the extra work then i should be in a position to buy another van and get him out on his own come april.