[H MAN]

You only have to look through all the posts relating to PEOPLE HERE with  SHOULDER PAIN To Know it is a Big problem.
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=222477.msg2104058#msg2104058
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=222924.msg2118234#msg2118234
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=217072.msg1977160#msg1977160
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=38004.msg300821#msg300821
This is only some of the posts out of 90 plus.

[H MAN]

https://youtu.be/t6XiEHpZyVk
EXO-S Exoskeleton for overhead work

[Missing Link]

You could compare it to an arthritic sufferer wearing splints. Initially helps but the more you rely on splints, the weaker the muscles become leaving you weaker. Only way to overcome it is to dismiss the splints, harder initially, but with time muscles strengthen, hence no need for splints.

Same applies with this apparatus. Good technically on paper, but in the real world, useless, serves no long term purpose. If you had to rely on this apparatus to work, it would be time to call it a day in this career and look elsewhere.

Agree with this.

Whatever supports you will make you weaker.

It's like over-engineered 'supportive' running shoes with stuff like 'arch support'.

An arch is always stronger when weight is placed upon it; supporting the arch of a foot will only weaken the foot muscles.

Same principle applies here.

[Stoots]

A zimmer frame may  help a man walk but try running a  marathon with it 

Anything that helps support the shoulder is great in theory but it has to be practical.

As an oap in Australia you might be ok cleaning 2 or 3 houses a day and have time to strap on some weird contraption but here in the UK it's not like that. I'd have half the house cleaned before you've got the thing on 

[AuRavelling79]

Not just window cleaning but thinking about several repetitive shoulder use occupations I wonder if it will help with RSI issues and for example occasional use on specific jobs.

If I had a day's work regularly doing a block of say 5 storey flats with 40 - 60ft poles for the highest floors I would definitely consider it.

In a previous life I worked on suspended ceilings from time to time and if your arms are above your head much of the day I can see a benefit.

For most everyday window cleaners I can't see it being any use as any job less than two hours at high level might not warrant its use.

[richard connett]

No

[DJW]

Could be handy for gutter/fascia cleaning for the over 60’s

[Splash & dash]

Not just window cleaning but thinking about several repetitive shoulder use occupations I wonder if it will help with RSI issues and for example occasional use on specific jobs.

If I had a day's work regularly doing a block of say 5 storey flats with 40 - 60ft poles for the highest floors I would definitely consider it.

In a previous life I worked on suspended ceilings from time to time and if your arms are above your head much of the day I can see a benefit.

For most everyday window cleaners I can't see it being any use as any job less than two hours at high level might not warrant its use.

We do blocks of flats 6-7 storey every 6 weeks  ime 60 and use a 75 foot pole for half a day at a time ,yes it’s harder work than 2 storey but don’t find it an issue  all the staff are the same  no one complains they just get on with it , I think the younger generation are becoming weak and lazy , I certainly wouldn’t entertain that contraption if I found the work to hard I would give the jobs we do up I feel it’s good exercise I certainly don’t need to go to the gym and am far stronger than many who do 😂😂😂

[Smudger]

Not just window cleaning but thinking about several repetitive shoulder use occupations I wonder if it will help with RSI issues and for example occasional use on specific jobs.

If I had a day's work regularly doing a block of say 5 storey flats with 40 - 60ft poles for the highest floors I would definitely consider it.

In a previous life I worked on suspended ceilings from time to time and if your arms are above your head much of the day I can see a benefit.

For most everyday window cleaners I can't see it being any use as any job less than two hours at high level might not warrant its use.

We do blocks of flats 6-7 storey every 6 weeks  ime 60 and use a 75 foot pole for half a day at a time ,yes it’s harder work than 2 storey but don’t find it an issue  all the staff are the same  no one complains they just get on with it , I think the younger generation are becoming weak and lazy , I certainly wouldn’t entertain that contraption if I found the work to hard I would give the jobs we do up I feel it’s good exercise I certainly don’t need to go to the gym and am far stronger than many who do 😂😂😂

Absolutely - I have a guy he's 28 - 6 foot 2 - plays rugby and has done door bouncer work he had a 3 hr s/f/g job last Friday - Monday rings in sick - I was too tired doing that job - it really was a 2 man job you know
 

I don't think he's going to last - were not even busy, busy yet 

Darran

[Stoots]

Not just window cleaning but thinking about several repetitive shoulder use occupations I wonder if it will help with RSI issues and for example occasional use on specific jobs.

If I had a day's work regularly doing a block of say 5 storey flats with 40 - 60ft poles for the highest floors I would definitely consider it.

In a previous life I worked on suspended ceilings from time to time and if your arms are above your head much of the day I can see a benefit.

For most everyday window cleaners I can't see it being any use as any job less than two hours at high level might not warrant its use.

We do blocks of flats 6-7 storey every 6 weeks  ime 60 and use a 75 foot pole for half a day at a time ,yes it’s harder work than 2 storey but don’t find it an issue  all the staff are the same  no one complains they just get on with it , I think the younger generation are becoming weak and lazy , I certainly wouldn’t entertain that contraption if I found the work to hard I would give the jobs we do up I feel it’s good exercise I certainly don’t need to go to the gym and am far stronger than many who do 😂😂😂

Absolutely - I have a guy he's 28 - 6 foot 2 - plays rugby and has done door bouncer work he had a 3 hr s/f/g job last Friday - Monday rings in sick - I was too tired doing that job - it really was a 2 man job you know
 

I don't think he's going to last - were not even busy, busy yet 

Darran

Fsg is a killer though to be fair. 3 hours at that and I wouldn't want to be doing anything else for the day.

[Splash & dash]

Not just window cleaning but thinking about several repetitive shoulder use occupations I wonder if it will help with RSI issues and for example occasional use on specific jobs.

If I had a day's work regularly doing a block of say 5 storey flats with 40 - 60ft poles for the highest floors I would definitely consider it.

In a previous life I worked on suspended ceilings from time to time and if your arms are above your head much of the day I can see a benefit.

For most everyday window cleaners I can't see it being any use as any job less than two hours at high level might not warrant its use.

We do blocks of flats 6-7 storey every 6 weeks  ime 60 and use a 75 foot pole for half a day at a time ,yes it’s harder work than 2 storey but don’t find it an issue  all the staff are the same  no one complains they just get on with it , I think the younger generation are becoming weak and lazy , I certainly wouldn’t entertain that contraption if I found the work to hard I would give the jobs we do up I feel it’s good exercise I certainly don’t need to go to the gym and am far stronger than many who do 😂😂😂

Absolutely - I have a guy he's 28 - 6 foot 2 - plays rugby and has done door bouncer work he had a 3 hr s/f/g job last Friday - Monday rings in sick - I was too tired doing that job - it really was a 2 man job you know
 

I don't think he's going to last - were not even busy, busy yet 

Darran

Fsg is a killer though to be fair. 3 hours at that and I wouldn't want to be doing anything else for the day.

Lol we do gfs cleans for 8 hour day  it’s harder work than windows but not that hard , doing commercial buildings that are 50 feet high and 300 meters long and corrugated now that’s hard work but still do full days at it as I said ones are becoming work shy and wimps 💪💪💪

[Smudger]

I used to do 2 regular in a day + several window cleans

no one should be cream crackered after. single s/f/g clean

Darran

[AuRavelling79]

Not everyone has the robust good health of others and if something can keep someone or their staff working productively and without injuries then surely that's a good thing.

It certainly won't change the industry but it may have a place.

It's why some use extremes over slx's and electric reels or lighter hose.

[Smudger]

Not everyone has the robust good health of others and if something can keep someone or their staff working productively and without injuries then surely that's a good thing.

It certainly won't change the industry but it may have a place.

It's why some use extremes over slx's and electric reels or lighter hose.

Don’t mention electric reels 

[H MAN]

The point here is that this is going  help reduce fatigue and shoulder strain in the long run.

[Slacky]

Yeabbut its not going to change the industry is it. The odd punter wearing it on the odd day isn't exactly 'industry changing...'.

Waterfed pole is industry changing, internal combustion engine is industry changing, penicillin is industry changing. This is more Sam Smith than Freddie Mercury.

[H MAN]

So this device is to avoid this happening.
And as you probably know already, once this happens .
You can give cleaning windows a miss.

Can a rotator cuff tear heal on its own?
Image result for rotator cuff tear
In most rotator cuff tears, the muscle partially or fully tears away from the bone.
Rotator cuff tears won't heal on their own.
You'll need rotator cuff repair to restore your shoulder joint.
A shoulder surgeon is the perfect physician to see for rotator cuff injuries.

[DJW]

Your knees could fall apart too should I start wearing splints before it’s too late?

Mosts wfp’s don’t actually hold the pole above their heads to clean windows but much lower down.
Cleaning gutters messed my shoulders up (unsupported weight) I simply don’t do them anymore and they recovered.

[AuRavelling79]

Your knees could fall apart too should I start wearing splints before it’s too late?

Mosts wfp’s don’t actually hold the pole above their heads to clean windows but much lower down.
Cleaning gutters messed my shoulders up (unsupported weight) I simply don’t do them anymore and they recovered.

Glad you had a lucky escape. Others may not be so lucky. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

The problem with many posts on here is they come across as YES or NO. The right answer IMO is ...

It won't change the industry but it has it's place. Think about it - it's made by Hilti - so they have carpenters and first fixers and general building workers using heavy equipment likely on one site for a few hours at a time so they know what they are on about.

With pensions kicking in later and later - 67 soon and 68 on the horizon, people are going to retiring later. I see a use for this.

[DJW]

I can see a plasterer might use one but how long the mechanicals would last in that environment would be anyone’s guess.