[AuRavelling79]

Ok Thankyou for everybody's  input.
But if you have anything that you think is not right with this.
Don't ask me.
If you have any questions you might be better to send you questions here.
https://www.hilti.ca/content/hilti/W1/CA/en/support/support/sales-channels/customer-service.html

Don't be disheartened Herman. I looked on the Hilti website and looked at the proposed applications. In a previous life I used to help install suspended ceilings from a platform and I can see this being used if you are wfp all day in one spot.

If I had hi-rise stuff on one site and  at least a half day on the site then I would look seriously at it.

[dazmond]

I defo could see this being used by commercial window cleaners who wfp large buildings for hours at a time....its got to cut down on RSI....

Personally I wouldn't use it as I would have no need for it....

[windowswashed]

You could compare it to an arthritic sufferer wearing splints. Initially helps but the more you rely on splints, the weaker the muscles become leaving you weaker. Only way to overcome it is to dismiss the splints, harder initially, but with time muscles strengthen, hence no need for splints.

Same applies with this apparatus. Good technically on paper, but in the real world, useless, serves no long term purpose. If you had to rely on this apparatus to work, it would be time to call it a day in this career and look elsewhere.

I Don't Think so.
The Problem is Not that you (Need more Muscles or Not.)
The Problem is that Human Resistance has a Limit not only on how much Weight to Carry,
But for How Long, what type of Load it is, at What Height and what Conditions, Etc.
Let's not Forget that Someone who Practices Physical Exercises does not Mean that they Can do a Better Job.
Than a Construction Man because the Physical Activity or Activities Carried Out are Not the Same.
Remember that More Force and Muscles does Not Mean More Resistance.
And Furthermore, in the Event that these Workers Could Actually do Physical Exercises.
Would they have the Time and the Necessary Strength after a Tiring Day at Work.
To do Even More Stressful and Heavy Exercise for just a Few Muscles?
I Don't Believe it.
In Addition, these Exoskeleton do not Replace Human Muscles or Strength.
They Help and Complement each other (Against Accidents) at work.
(Caused by Excess Weight or very Dangerous Activities in general)
for Workers in Certain Things.
Such as Exhausting and Very Uncomfortable Positions for the Human Body that Would Harm them in the (Long Term.)

Since when have you been an expert in the field of arthritic sufferers? How can you dismiss that wearing splints long term does more harm than good,  interested to hear how you come to that conclusion?

[Splash & dash]

We do commercial work all day on up to  7 floors high and  certainly wouldn’t use it , I think it would cause pressure soars , or blisters for  starters ,hilti  are a good firm but think they have got this one drastically wrong

[dazmond]

We do commercial work all day on up to  7 floors high and  certainly wouldn’t use it , I think it would cause pressure soars , or blisters for  starters ,hilti  are a good firm but think they have got this one drastically wrong

Dont knock it until you ve tried it.....it might be fantastic for high level work which lets face it is hard work  even with the best poles on the market

[H MAN]

You could compare it to an arthritic sufferer wearing splints. Initially helps but the more you rely on splints, the weaker the muscles become leaving you weaker. Only way to overcome it is to dismiss the splints, harder initially, but with time muscles strengthen, hence no need for splints.

Same applies with this apparatus. Good technically on paper, but in the real world, useless, serves no long term purpose. If you had to rely on this apparatus to work, it would be time to call it a day in this career and look elsewhere.

I Don't Think so.
The Problem is Not that you (Need more Muscles or Not.)
The Problem is that Human Resistance has a Limit not only on how much Weight to Carry,
But for How Long, what type of Load it is, at What Height and what Conditions, Etc.
Let's not Forget that Someone who Practices Physical Exercises does not Mean that they Can do a Better Job.
Than a Construction Man because the Physical Activity or Activities Carried Out are Not the Same.
Remember that More Force and Muscles does Not Mean More Resistance.
And Furthermore, in the Event that these Workers Could Actually do Physical Exercises.
Would they have the Time and the Necessary Strength after a Tiring Day at Work.
To do Even More Stressful and Heavy Exercise for just a Few Muscles?
I Don't Believe it.
In Addition, these Exoskeleton do not Replace Human Muscles or Strength.
They Help and Complement each other (Against Accidents) at work.
(Caused by Excess Weight or very Dangerous Activities in general)
for Workers in Certain Things.
Such as Exhausting and Very Uncomfortable Positions for the Human Body that Would Harm them in the (Long Term.)

Since when have you been an expert in the field of arthritic sufferers? How can you dismiss that wearing splints long term does more harm than good,  interested to hear how you come to that conclusion?

Not a Expert on Arthritis.
But believe having had Rheumatoid Arthritis  for over 35 years
I know how disablytating it can be.
And as everyone knows most of the Videos I done.
Is always related to griping handles because of Arthritis in the Hands & Wrist.
As said before put on YouTube.
For the benefit of people that have this, so to at least be able to work more easily.
If I find anything that MAY help anyone in what they do in the way of WC.
Put it up on Forums etc..

[Splash & dash]

We do commercial work all day on up to  7 floors high and  certainly wouldn’t use it , I think it would cause pressure soars , or blisters for  starters ,hilti  are a good firm but think they have got this one drastically wrong

Dont knock it until you ve tried it.....it might be fantastic for high level work which lets face it is hard work  even with the best poles on the market

I don’t go to the gym like you but I don’t need some ridiculous contraption to clean Windows , I would like to see a risk assessment for the use of it , especially if someone got injured or if it broke whilst using it .

[windowswashed]

Holding large round diameter poles for long periods puts an excessive strain on fingers, wrists, shoulders.

Oval shaped poles (Ova) and similar shapes (Unger)  are improving reducing fatigue on the joints for sure.

Smaller diameter base sections along with combination poles which may be telescopic and modular add on extensions which keep the base diameter reduced to smaller diameters also help reduce fatigue and strains on wrists.

Lighter brush heads and higher carbon poles which improve rigidity are also a huge help in using less physical exertion.

[H MAN]

Holding large round diameter poles for long periods puts an excessive strain on fingers, wrists, shoulders.

Oval shaped poles (Ova) and similar shapes (Unger)  are improving reducing fatigue on the joints for sure.

Smaller diameter base sections along with combination poles which may be telescopic and modular add on extensions which keep the base diameter reduced to smaller diameters also help reduce fatigue and strains on wrists.

Lighter brush heads and higher carbon poles which improve rigidity are also a huge help in using less physical exertion.

Now we are talking about the griping of the poles which is a good point .
As griping has nothing to do with lifting the pole UP/ DOWN easier, other not losing your grip on the pole.
Many years ago there were a few devices that had a few solutions like in the VIDEO BELOW.
And possibly be a good commination with this lifting device.
Easy Grip & Easy Lifting.

Gardiner Pole Control Bars
https://youtu.be/tLUTQv8twBM

Gardiner Ultimate Control Bar System
https://youtu.be/JAjdPdCLqY4

[AuRavelling79]

I don't believe Hilti would have released this without rigorous medical and legal input.

It's not designed for a specific occupation. But for overhead repetitive work.

And before dismissing it out of hand, if I had the kind of work that might justify its use I would investigate further.

Maybe we wouldn't have had WFP if we were of Luddite thinking.

We might even be driving cars without power steering or servo assisted brakes.

[robbo333]

I would like to see it in use for a few years, before I made an informed decision.

My concern is that, yes, it may help reduce the pressure in one area of the body, but then that pressure has to be compensated for somewhere else in the body. It straps around the neck area, attaches at the elbows, the waste and levers at the shoulders; after a year of use, will those areas of the body now suffer because of the extra strain... and what problems would that cause?

It's a shame, but the images don't really inspire confidence in the product; (it just looks cheap and tacky) and the video is all but useless in giving any information.

I genuinely admire people who can come up with these ideas to help make people's lives easier, but I think the execution of this product and it's marketing does not inspire any confidence in me.

[Splash & dash]

Holding large round diameter poles for long periods puts an excessive strain on fingers, wrists, shoulders.

Oval shaped poles (Ova) and similar shapes (Unger)  are improving reducing fatigue on the joints for sure.

Smaller diameter base sections along with combination poles which may be telescopic and modular add on extensions which keep the base diameter reduced to smaller diameters also help reduce fatigue and strains on wrists.

Lighter brush heads and higher carbon poles which improve rigidity are also a huge help in using less physical exertion.

Now we are talking about the griping of the poles which is a good point .
As griping has nothing to do with lifting the pole UP/ DOWN easier, other not losing your grip on the pole.
Many years ago there were a few devices that had a few solutions like in the VIDEO BELOW.
And possibly be a good commination with this lifting device.
Easy Grip & Easy Lifting.

Gardiner Pole Control Bars
https://youtu.be/tLUTQv8twBM

Gardiner Ultimate Control Bar System
https://youtu.be/JAjdPdCLqY4

We use that pole it’s the Gardiner ultimate but don’t have the handles

[CleanClear]

Not sure why you would do that if you could employ a 20 year old lad with half a brain and a desire for money ?

See Below a Up Dated Picture of it With a Neck Support on it.

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[H MAN]

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Holding large round diameter poles for long periods puts an excessive strain on fingers, wrists, shoulders.

Oval shaped poles (Ova) and similar shapes (Unger)  are improving reducing fatigue on the joints for sure.

Smaller diameter base sections along with combination poles which may be telescopic and modular add on extensions which keep the base diameter reduced to smaller diameters also help reduce fatigue and strains on wrists.

Lighter brush heads and higher carbon poles which improve rigidity are also a huge help in using less physical exertion.

Now we are talking about the griping of the poles which is a good point .
As griping has nothing to do with lifting the pole UP/ DOWN easier, other not losing your grip on the pole.
Many years ago there were a few devices that had a few solutions like in the VIDEO BELOW.
And possibly be a good commination with this lifting device.
Easy Grip & Easy Lifting.

Gardiner Pole Control Bars
https://youtu.be/tLUTQv8twBM

Gardiner Ultimate Control Bar System
https://youtu.be/JAjdPdCLqY4

We use that pole it’s the Gardiner ultimate but don’t have the handles

Yes those handles probably needed a few modification to be able to use them easily.
We Also did Something Simlar about 9 years ago.
It was Mainly for Trad Poles.
Althought it only had the Top Handle Grip.
Was not Fixed in One Place.
But Able to Swivel on the Pole as you are Holding it.

[Slacky]

Reading this thread got me thinking. I have a tin of baked beans in the larder. Been sat there for years but I’ve no idea how to open the tin. We need a tin opener device jobby to be invented for this very purpose.

Anyone want to invent one?

[H MAN]

So price wise believe it’s about $1700 Canadian  or about 1040 Pound.

[H MAN]

I defo could see this being used by commercial window cleaners who wfp large buildings for hours at a time....its got to cut down on RSI....

Personally I wouldn't use it as I would have no need for it....

Yes it Would be Something  Ultimate Pole Users like to have.
Less Likelihood of Having Long Term Injures

[Ggh]

Just hire powered access.

[Smudger]

Just hire powered access.

This

assuming there is enough room to set up

While this equipment may be of use to some sectors I think for window cleaning there will be alternatives like  drones or a bot that can climb walls

Darran