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DJW

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Re: Get more Customers with Becci Swan
« Reply #40 on: December 24, 2022, 09:47:37 pm »
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Ggh

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Re: Get more Customers with Becci Swan
« Reply #41 on: December 24, 2022, 09:49:10 pm »
I think it’s unlikely facilities management companies will be dealing with procurement via  cold calling. Maybe some small independent commercial businesses.

It can be a nightmare getting ‘on boarded’ with some of these larger companies, too. PQQ and all that.

deeege

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Re: Get more Customers with Becci Swan
« Reply #42 on: December 25, 2022, 12:27:50 am »
I think it’s unlikely facilities management companies will be dealing with procurement via  cold calling. Maybe some small independent commercial businesses.

It can be a nightmare getting ‘on boarded’ with some of these larger companies, too. PQQ and all that.

I don’t disagree tbh. But, some of my best work is smallish independent offices, 50-300 staff, stand alone offices, monthly cleans, £300 monthly etc.

Splash and dash has all the big block management companies nationwide tied into contracts so I think us small fry are better off targeting the small stuff.
"....and it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink, and mother wake me early in the morning."

jay moley

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Re: Get more Customers with Becci Swan
« Reply #43 on: December 25, 2022, 10:21:12 am »
Telesales does work for both personal services and business. I used to work in telesales (10 years) selling to both individuals and businesses.

I might look into cold calling residential. I thought you weren't allowed to do it these days. Would be an effective way to reach people. How many calls could you do in a couple of hours? Easy call as well: Introduce yourself, ask if they are interested in regular window cleaning, ask for photos of the house. Text or call them back with the quote. Get a yes or no. Job done.

Thing is, it works into the marketing mix along side canvassing, leaflets, website, sign written van etc doesn't replace it.

Also pretty cushy just sitting at home doing a bit.


Slacky

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Re: Get more Customers with Becci Swan
« Reply #44 on: December 25, 2022, 10:41:07 am »
Hi, d’you want a regular window cleaner? Just send me some pics of your house, oh by the way, is the side gate ever locked?

I don’t think so would be my response.

Splash & dash

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Re: Get more Customers with Becci Swan
« Reply #45 on: December 25, 2022, 01:54:25 pm »
I think it’s unlikely facilities management companies will be dealing with procurement via  cold calling. Maybe some small independent commercial businesses.

It can be a nightmare getting ‘on boarded’ with some of these larger companies, too. PQQ and all that.

I don’t disagree tbh. But, some of my best work is smallish independent offices, 50-300 staff, stand alone offices, monthly cleans, £300 monthly etc.

Splash and dash has all the big block management companies nationwide tied into contracts so I think us small fry are better off targeting the small stuff.


So out of interest how many of theses jobs did you get through phone canvassing?  Just for the record we also do smaller commercial  jobs as well not everything is 8 storey and 500 flats 😂😂

deeege

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Re: Get more Customers with Becci Swan
« Reply #46 on: December 25, 2022, 09:59:09 pm »
I think it’s unlikely facilities management companies will be dealing with procurement via  cold calling. Maybe some small independent commercial businesses.

It can be a nightmare getting ‘on boarded’ with some of these larger companies, too. PQQ and all that.

I don’t disagree tbh. But, some of my best work is smallish independent offices, 50-300 staff, stand alone offices, monthly cleans, £300 monthly etc.

Splash and dash has all the big block management companies nationwide tied into contracts so I think us small fry are better off targeting the small stuff.


So out of interest how many of theses jobs did you get through phone canvassing?  Just for the record we also do smaller commercial  jobs as well not everything is 8 storey and 500 flats 😂😂

None. Did I say at any point I’ve ever used phone canvassing?
"....and it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink, and mother wake me early in the morning."

Splash & dash

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Re: Get more Customers with Becci Swan
« Reply #47 on: December 25, 2022, 11:26:24 pm »
I think it’s unlikely facilities management companies will be dealing with procurement via  cold calling. Maybe some small independent commercial businesses.

It can be a nightmare getting ‘on boarded’ with some of these larger companies, too. PQQ and all that.

I don’t disagree tbh. But, some of my best work is smallish independent offices, 50-300 staff, stand alone offices, monthly cleans, £300 monthly etc.

Splash and dash has all the big block management companies nationwide tied into contracts so I think us small fry are better off targeting the small stuff.


So out of interest how many of theses jobs did you get through phone canvassing?  Just for the record we also do smaller commercial  jobs as well not everything is 8 storey and 500 flats 😂😂

None. Did I say at any point I’ve ever used phone canvassing?


I rest my case it doesn’t work this way with 99% of commercial work

deeege

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Re: Get more Customers with Becci Swan
« Reply #48 on: December 26, 2022, 07:59:14 am »
I think it’s unlikely facilities management companies will be dealing with procurement via  cold calling. Maybe some small independent commercial businesses.

It can be a nightmare getting ‘on boarded’ with some of these larger companies, too. PQQ and all that.

I don’t disagree tbh. But, some of my best work is smallish independent offices, 50-300 staff, stand alone offices, monthly cleans, £300 monthly etc.

Splash and dash has all the big block management companies nationwide tied into contracts so I think us small fry are better off targeting the small stuff.


So out of interest how many of theses jobs did you get through phone canvassing?  Just for the record we also do smaller commercial  jobs as well not everything is 8 storey and 500 flats 😂😂

None. Did I say at any point I’ve ever used phone canvassing?


I rest my case it doesn’t work this way with 99% of commercial work

Ok pal you’re right and everyone else is wrong.

Business to business phone marketing is just a big myth just because you don’t believe it has the potential to open any doors.  ;D
"....and it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink, and mother wake me early in the morning."

Splash & dash

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Re: Get more Customers with Becci Swan
« Reply #49 on: December 26, 2022, 11:31:37 am »
I think it’s unlikely facilities management companies will be dealing with procurement via  cold calling. Maybe some small independent commercial businesses.

It can be a nightmare getting ‘on boarded’ with some of these larger companies, too. PQQ and all that.

I don’t disagree tbh. But, some of my best work is smallish independent offices, 50-300 staff, stand alone offices, monthly cleans, £300 monthly etc.

Splash and dash has all the big block management companies nationwide tied into contracts so I think us small fry are better off targeting the small stuff.


So out of interest how many of theses jobs did you get through phone canvassing?  Just for the record we also do smaller commercial  jobs as well not everything is 8 storey and 500 flats 😂😂

None. Did I say at any point I’ve ever used phone canvassing?


I rest my case it doesn’t work this way with 99% of commercial work

Ok pal you’re right and everyone else is wrong.

Business to business phone marketing is just a big myth just because you don’t believe it has the potential to open any doors.  ;D


Well you haven’t used it or got work from it neither has anyone else I know and the business say they would not use it so I think it’s very unlikely that it will produce much work yes the odd small job hear and there maybe  but nothing you couldn’t pick up yourself , this opening doors that you cannot do yourself is utter rubbish .

Smudger

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Re: Get more Customers with Becci Swan
« Reply #50 on: December 26, 2022, 11:36:30 am »
does work...

has worked...

got very good work from it...

from that lead it has led to other big works...

Never dis anything until you've tried it - what's doesn't work for some works for others...   This sector is very diverse on how people operate and generate leads

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

DJW

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Re: Get more Customers with Becci Swan
« Reply #51 on: December 26, 2022, 11:53:32 am »
I think Becci has been around on this forum for at least nine years so if it didn’t work she’d probably be doing something else by now.

Splash & dash

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Re: Get more Customers with Becci Swan
« Reply #52 on: December 26, 2022, 02:46:36 pm »
I think Becci has been around on this forum for at least nine years so if it didn’t work she’d probably be doing something else by now.




Might work for domestic but commercial is a different kettle of fish

Splash & dash

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Re: Get more Customers with Becci Swan
« Reply #53 on: December 26, 2022, 02:53:33 pm »
does work...

has worked...

got very good work from it...

from that lead it has led to other big works...

Never dis anything until you've tried it - what's doesn't work for some works for others...   This sector is very diverse on how people operate and generate leads

Darran



Come on Darren you and I have been in business long enough to canvass our own work you nor I need to use canvases I have never come across a firm  I cannot get to deal with the appropriate person , the vast majority of our customers would not use this Method have done a lot of market research with existing customers and this is what they are telling me , if ones don’t have the confidence to do it themselves then that’s fine but it’s certainly not needed by any competent company

Smudger

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Re: Get more Customers with Becci Swan
« Reply #54 on: December 26, 2022, 03:06:41 pm »
on the contrary - we used Becci and others - purely to increase commercial works....

hit rate was pretty good too

I agree I don't need tel can now - thats because I'm approved supplier on many of the larger companies around here and the good thing about it is people move from one company to the next so naturally you get called for more work,

but I will stand by my experience the tel can (just like any other lead generation method) has its time and place and if it opens a door then so much the better

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

Pete Thompson

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Re: Get more Customers with Becci Swan
« Reply #55 on: December 26, 2022, 03:32:33 pm »

When I started off I was asked to do some job retirement flats the job was  way above my skill set at the time wouldn’t have had a clue how to price it let alone do it , had no idea what rams was either , that was a long time ago .  Most of the commercial work we got years ago was by me going and speaking to the appropriate person and pursuing it and finding out what they would expect of us to get  there custom , such things as H &S  qualifications, iso 9001  , crb checks on staff ,safe contractor etc , I would never have got any of theses jobs by going to a phone canvasser , now the work comes to us we haven’t gone out looking for work for over 15 years we get asked to quote this type of building because we are well known for doing this work for others ,this isn’t boasting  it’s just telling it as it is , if you want decent commercial ones need ti get out there and sell themselves meet and greet the customers sell your services ti them , no phone canvassing can do that for you . It might get you some domestic but again phone canvassing cannot see what the building is like ie access , parking, and a host of other things si a lot of the leads you get will be a waist of time as they are probably jobs others don’t want or they would already have a cleaner , each to there own but from first hand experience the way to get quality work  is get it yourself.
No canvasser will get you into doors that you cannot get into better yourself , trust me on that one we are approved contractors to a number of very large  multi national companies , the reason they like and use us is because we do a good job and if there is any issues they speak to me and it’s sorted straight away .

All that you have said is, I’m sure, true, but I don’t think you understand the niche that this type of lead generation works for.

I’m not interested in huge blocks of flats or skyscrapers or big corporate headquarters etc. That type of commercial is way beyond my capacity (at the moment) and the approach would be completely different.

We’re talking here about smallish offices (Eg accountants, solicitors), pubs, hotels, maybe the odd nursing home, factories on industrial estates.

Places that are definitely not managed by a facilities management company, and don’t even have a dedicated facilities manager on staff.

Places like this:


Or this


You call up a place like that, and the receptionist will say something like “ah yes the person you need to speak to is Michelle, she’s not in today but will be back on Thursday”

Now Michelle, is probably an office manager in addition to other roles like accounting or answering the phone. She’ll be in charge of everything from cleaning to re-ordering the coffee when it gets low. She isn’t interested in risk assessments or method statements, she just wants someone to do the job efficiently so that people aren’t moaning at her about it.

She doesn’t even really care about the cost (within reason). If you cost 2x what the current company charges but she doesn’t have to do anything more (such as phone up complaining) then it’s all good from her point of view.

So you speak to Michelle, (if you remember) ask if you can come and quote for window cleaning. She’s reasonably likely to say yes, by all means come and quote if you like. If nothing else it will be a way that she can see if they’re paying about the right amount.

If they’re unhappy with the current guy for any reason (like he insists on being paid in cash) then she’ll definitely say yes.

So you make an appointment and that’s it. Charm Michelle (by which I mean, just act like a normal chatty person not a Neanderthal) and you’ve probably got the job.

I don’t have the time to do all that except the actual quote, so paying becci £16 to do it is well worth it.

It’s that simple.

Splash & dash

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Re: Get more Customers with Becci Swan
« Reply #56 on: December 26, 2022, 04:21:31 pm »
on the contrary - we used Becci and others - purely to increase commercial works....

hit rate was pretty good too

I agree I don't need tel can now - thats because I'm approved supplier on many of the larger companies around here and the good thing about it is people move from one company to the next so naturally you get called for more work,

but I will stand by my experience the tel can (just like any other lead generation method) has its time and place and if it opens a door then so much the better

Darran


Ok fair enough but I  prefer to get our work myself never had any issues getting bigger jobs this way and we have some very large contracts as well as single jobs  all my customers tell us that they like the personal approach   not dealing with some 3 rd party , this has worked well for us for  nearly 25 years for  the last 15-18 years we haven’t gone looking for work and haven’t advertised in any  form apart from the websites ,it now comes to us and before certain ones start chiming in with saying it’s boasting it’s not it’s my  personal experience from the way I run my business, ime nothing special but have put myself out to get ware I am and am just using this to show what ones can do for themselves. You don’t  need anyone else to do it for you .

Splash & dash

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Re: Get more Customers with Becci Swan
« Reply #57 on: December 26, 2022, 04:28:30 pm »

When I started off I was asked to do some job retirement flats the job was  way above my skill set at the time wouldn’t have had a clue how to price it let alone do it , had no idea what rams was either , that was a long time ago .  Most of the commercial work we got years ago was by me going and speaking to the appropriate person and pursuing it and finding out what they would expect of us to get  there custom , such things as H &S  qualifications, iso 9001  , crb checks on staff ,safe contractor etc , I would never have got any of theses jobs by going to a phone canvasser , now the work comes to us we haven’t gone out looking for work for over 15 years we get asked to quote this type of building because we are well known for doing this work for others ,this isn’t boasting  it’s just telling it as it is , if you want decent commercial ones need ti get out there and sell themselves meet and greet the customers sell your services ti them , no phone canvassing can do that for you . It might get you some domestic but again phone canvassing cannot see what the building is like ie access , parking, and a host of other things si a lot of the leads you get will be a waist of time as they are probably jobs others don’t want or they would already have a cleaner , each to there own but from first hand experience the way to get quality work  is get it yourself.
No canvasser will get you into doors that you cannot get into better yourself , trust me on that one we are approved contractors to a number of very large  multi national companies , the reason they like and use us is because we do a good job and if there is any issues they speak to me and it’s sorted straight away .

All that you have said is, I’m sure, true, but I don’t think you understand the niche that this type of lead generation works for.

I’m not interested in huge blocks of flats or skyscrapers or big corporate headquarters etc. That type of commercial is way beyond my capacity (at the moment) and the approach would be completely different.

We’re talking here about smallish offices (Eg accountants, solicitors), pubs, hotels, maybe the odd nursing home, factories on industrial estates.

Places that are definitely not managed by a facilities management company, and don’t even have a dedicated facilities manager on staff.

Places like this:


Or this


You call up a place like that, and the receptionist will say something like “ah yes the person you need to speak to is Michelle, she’s not in today but will be back on Thursday”

Now Michelle, is probably an office manager in addition to other roles like accounting or answering the phone. She’ll be in charge of everything from cleaning to re-ordering the coffee when it gets low. She isn’t interested in risk assessments or method statements, she just wants someone to do the job efficiently so that people aren’t moaning at her about it.

She doesn’t even really care about the cost (within reason). If you cost 2x what the current company charges but she doesn’t have to do anything more (such as phone up complaining) then it’s all good from her point of view.

So you speak to Michelle, (if you remember) ask if you can come and quote for window cleaning. She’s reasonably likely to say yes, by all means come and quote if you like. If nothing else it will be a way that she can see if they’re paying about the right amount.

If they’re unhappy with the current guy for any reason (like he insists on being paid in cash) then she’ll definitely say yes.

So you make an appointment and that’s it. Charm Michelle (by which I mean, just act like a normal chatty person not a Neanderthal) and you’ve probably got the job.

I don’t have the time to do all that except the actual quote, so paying becci £16 to do it is well worth it.

It’s that simple.


We also have lots of buildings like yours on our client base but you dont need a canvasser,  do it yourself, in my whole time of being in business  i  have spent less than 2k on advertising you don’t  need to spend money to get a good customer base  , most prefer the personal touch from the first point of contact from the business owner , as for not getting to speak to the right person 9 times out of 10 that’s just to put you off , years of experience teaches you how to deal with there firms , nothing against what you or others chose to do , but just look outsthe box and it will benefit you far more

dazmond

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Re: Get more Customers with Becci Swan
« Reply #58 on: December 26, 2022, 09:25:20 pm »
As I said earlier, could be a decent way to get customers of higher value, offices, care homes, schools etc.

No chance this would be a worthwhile way of marketing to residential and especially one offs where the spend per customer will be far too low.


No company worth their salt will respond to this type of canvassing especially schools and care homes , they always need  rams and a lot won’t allow loan working  they will usually chose the company that they want themselves and check them out they certainly aren’t going to use a 3rd party canvasser and have their details passed  on to joe  blogs  who has no idea what rams or insurance are 😂😂😂

I've never been asked for RAMS ever on any commercial/care home job.only once been asked for PLI in 30 years! :)
price higher/work harder!

Splash & dash

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Re: Get more Customers with Becci Swan
« Reply #59 on: December 26, 2022, 10:46:55 pm »
As I said earlier, could be a decent way to get customers of higher value, offices, care homes, schools etc.

No chance this would be a worthwhile way of marketing to residential and especially one offs where the spend per customer will be far too low.


No company worth their salt will respond to this type of canvassing especially schools and care homes , they always need  rams and a lot won’t allow loan working  they will usually chose the company that they want themselves and check them out they certainly aren’t going to use a 3rd party canvasser and have their details passed  on to joe  blogs  who has no idea what rams or insurance are 😂😂😂

I've never been asked for RAMS ever on any commercial/care home job.only once been asked for PLI in 30 years! :)

Some don’t but if anything went wrong they would find themselves in court for not having theses things in place simple as that ,it comes under the heading of corporate man’ slaughter  it’s part of their responsibility, I have mentioned it before look at a very large well known cleaning company that cleaned st James palace for the royal family one of there guys was killed in a fall from height it wasn’t just the cleaning company who  ended up in court look it up it’s very well documented,ionic systems at the time we’re featuring the judge’s comments to promote WFP interesting read