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Stoots

  • Posts: 6211
Re: Gardiners
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2022, 05:41:51 pm »
Despite all the competition the slx still remains the best value for money pole on the market imo. Look at most equivalent poles on the market and they are at least £50 to £100 more expensive, heavier and usually don't include a  brush. Or a pen and and a hat for that matter...the gardiner clamps are unrivalled for their ease of use the only negative people have is the spinning due to glued on clamps. If gardiner could make a bolt on version of their clamps they would be perfect.


The spinning has nothing to do with glued on clamps that’s caused by ware on the pole  sections

It has everything to do with glued on clamps. When the glue lets go the clamp spins. You have to glue it back on, with a bolted clamp this can't happen.


Clamps do very occasionally need  re gluing  but spinning sections is caused by ware on the pole section not the clamp being worn , of course it will move round it it’s come un glued  but 99% of people  complain  spinning sections it’s the pole section that’s worn not an unglued clamp , we have around 30 poles and I probably re glue 3 clamps a year   So don’t really feel it’s an issue , but like maintenance on a car  .

We are talking about 2 separate issues.

When people talk about gardiner poles spinning It's because the clamps are glued and tend to come loose which causes the section to spin inside the clamp body.

That's why  bolted clamps such as phantom etc are said to  stop spinning as you can simply tighten the bolt they can't really come loose like gardiners.

You are referring to section  wear so the clamp doesn't grip properly causing the pole to spin. That will happen with any pole when it's worn regardless of clamp and simply needs the clamp adjusting.


A spinning pole section cannot be altered by adjusting the clamp once the pole  section is worn at the closed position if you adjust the clamp at that section it will then be to tight to extend the pole .
I have never Hurd anyone say about a spinning section referring to a clamp that’s come unglued , it’s always been said referring to a worn pole section . Re gluing a clamp on an odd  occasion in my  books  is  general maintenance it takes less than 5 muinits , and a very rare problem .

So tell me what has a spinning pole section as you describe got to do with what clamp is used?

You are not describing a spinning pole you are describing a worn section the only remedy in that case is to clamp at a different point on the section or cut off the worn part.

Any pole section will wear at the top if its clamped there regular regardless of type of clamp, gardiners clamps are known to spin because they are glued and what i described and bolted clamps are known to not spin because they cant.


You are the first person ive heard describing it that way never mind

windowswashed

  • Posts: 2577
Re: Gardiners
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2022, 05:55:06 pm »
The worst poles for spinning are the phantom poles with the red inserts!

Splash & dash

  • Posts: 4364
Re: Gardiners
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2022, 06:20:43 pm »
Despite all the competition the slx still remains the best value for money pole on the market imo. Look at most equivalent poles on the market and they are at least £50 to £100 more expensive, heavier and usually don't include a  brush. Or a pen and and a hat for that matter...the gardiner clamps are unrivalled for their ease of use the only negative people have is the spinning due to glued on clamps. If gardiner could make a bolt on version of their clamps they would be perfect.


The spinning has nothing to do with glued on clamps that’s caused by ware on the pole  sections

It has everything to do with glued on clamps. When the glue lets go the clamp spins. You have to glue it back on, with a bolted clamp this can't happen.


Clamps do very occasionally need  re gluing  but spinning sections is caused by ware on the pole section not the clamp being worn , of course it will move round it it’s come un glued  but 99% of people  complain  spinning sections it’s the pole section that’s worn not an unglued clamp , we have around 30 poles and I probably re glue 3 clamps a year   So don’t really feel it’s an issue , but like maintenance on a car  .

We are talking about 2 separate issues.

When people talk about gardiner poles spinning It's because the clamps are glued and tend to come loose which causes the section to spin inside the clamp body.

That's why  bolted clamps such as phantom etc are said to  stop spinning as you can simply tighten the bolt they can't really come loose like gardiners.

You are referring to section  wear so the clamp doesn't grip properly causing the pole to spin. That will happen with any pole when it's worn regardless of clamp and simply needs the clamp adjusting.


A spinning pole section cannot be altered by adjusting the clamp once the pole  section is worn at the closed position if you adjust the clamp at that section it will then be to tight to extend the pole .
I have never Hurd anyone say about a spinning section referring to a clamp that’s come unglued , it’s always been said referring to a worn pole section . Re gluing a clamp on an odd  occasion in my  books  is  general maintenance it takes less than 5 muinits , and a very rare problem .

So tell me what has a spinning pole section as you describe got to do with what clamp is used?

You are not describing a spinning pole you are describing a worn section the only remedy in that case is to clamp at a different point on the section or cut off the worn part.

Any pole section will wear at the top if its clamped there regular regardless of type of clamp, gardiners clamps are known to spin because they are glued and what i described and bolted clamps are known to not spin because they cant.


You are the first person ive heard describing it that way never mind


I stand by what I have said , re gluing a clamp takes less than 5 muinits and costs less than £1  to fix replacing a worn spinning section is expensive.

the king

  • Posts: 1438
Re: Gardiners
« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2022, 08:44:03 pm »
I would say the only way they’ve caught up is in quality of Carbon perhaps and that’s a perhaps,the clamps-goosenecks and brushes by other manufacturers look like they’ve come in fresh from Taiwan 🇹🇼 tbh in a 20ft container.
A Gardiner pole almost closes itself with a flick of the clamp as good as some people think the other poles are they all need sliding all the way in by hand,this in itself can be a ball ache and make you’re shoulders ache after a days use.
couldent agree more my xline pole wont close easy it needs help pulling it i would say its slow pole in use ans a pain in the ars compaired too gardners or phantom pole i had a look at the himod streamline evo8 and that was a nice lite pole but sections are like the xline bit stiff also had a look at the bladeright boss pole same as xline  ::)roll

the king

  • Posts: 1438
Re: Gardiners
« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2022, 08:50:01 pm »
The worst poles for spinning are the phantom poles with the red inserts!
ive got a 18ft phantom no issue with spinning pole seems spot on so far time will tell tho  ;D

NWH

  • Posts: 16952
Re: Gardiners
« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2022, 09:20:05 pm »
When a pole  gets to a certain time in it’s life actually very early on in a Gardiner’s case it should almost close itself and can be flicked up and down to the red and yellow bands effortlessly,this as well as the very lightweight in use is what helps with RSI.
Elbow shoulder and lower back pain are all helped by this feature although I’m sure it’s a feature that’s not originally been thought of it just happens to be a very big bonus,Extreme poles and employees don’t go together anyone that’s done that knows the score it’s an SLX  for them as they are far far more robust poles for everyday use ,saying that when I’m WFPoling I use an Extreme but then again I’m paying for them if they get damaged at all.

SB Cleaning

  • Posts: 4287
Re: Gardiners
« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2022, 09:46:13 pm »
When a pole  gets to a certain time in it’s life actually very early on in a Gardiner’s case it should almost close itself and can be flicked up and down to the red and yellow bands effortlessly,this as well as the very lightweight in use is what helps with RSI.
Elbow shoulder and lower back pain are all helped by this feature although I’m sure it’s a feature that’s not originally been thought of it just happens to be a very big bonus,Extreme poles and employees don’t go together anyone that’s done that knows the score it’s an SLX  for them as they are far far more robust poles for everyday use ,saying that when I’m WFPoling I use an Extreme but then again I’m paying for them if they get damaged at all.
CLX will do an employee ;D

NWH

  • Posts: 16952
Re: Gardiners
« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2022, 10:50:24 pm »
Yeah I wouldn’t go that far lol I think the SLX is a perfect middling pole along with the Ova,the Extreme poles are such a pleasure to use but only the ones with respect for their equipment will get any decent time out of one.
I’ve kept and used them in perfect condition for  years this wouldn’t be the case for hired help using them,I can pretty much say that’s a fact.