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Nimmer7

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Going it alone
« on: September 30, 2022, 01:48:09 pm »
Hi. I’m after some advice. I have worked as a sub contracting window cleaner for 15 years. 5 of those, my boss has taken 35% of what I’ve earned per job.  7 years at 25% and 3 at 20%. The last year I have been working on a round that he paid for outright, but now I’m thinking that the percentage I’m giving away as lots of money lost, as I practically do 95% for what is required of a window cleaner. Paperwork and cleaning etc. he just looks after money. I’m thinking about going it alone. What would be peopels advice. TIA

Smudger

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Re: Going it alone
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2022, 02:05:40 pm »
Interesting -

I think his take is quite reasonable - going it alone is great and ultimately a goal to aim for, however its not for everyone - who sources the work? - who covers debts outstanding - who's equipment and running costs ?

going alone - means everything is your responsibility - getting customers - servicing debts - keeping equipment working

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

Nimmer7

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Re: Going it alone
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2022, 02:52:27 pm »
[quote author=Smudger Hi

Thanks for the reply. All costs are to me. Van, water, kit. You name it, I pay for it. I source my own work,  not much comes to me from the company.

I contact all jobs the only thing I don’t do is handle debt. Which I know isn’t worth the 20% once I’ve found my feet on my own.

Anymore insights would be greatly appreciated

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Interesting -

I think his take is quite reasonable - going it alone is great and ultimately a goal to aim for, however its not for everyone - who sources the work? - who covers debts outstanding - who's equipment and running costs ?

going alone - means everything is your responsibility - getting customers - servicing debts - keeping equipment working

Darran
[/quote]

Spruce

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Re: Going it alone
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2022, 04:37:00 pm »
Hi. I’m after some advice. I have worked as a sub contracting window cleaner for 15 years. 5 of those, my boss has taken 35% of what I’ve earned per job.  7 years at 25% and 3 at 20%. The last year I have been working on a round that he paid for outright, but now I’m thinking that the percentage I’m giving away as lots of money lost, as I practically do 95% for what is required of a window cleaner. Paperwork and cleaning etc. he just looks after money. I’m thinking about going it alone. What would be peopels advice. TIA

I don't know where you are from (you don't have to answer this,)  but this sounds like how a local window cleaning company works.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but it's taken you 15 years to reconsider your position?

When I first went wfp it took me a while to change our round over from trad.  After a couple of months, another local cleaner asked me if I would help him convert his round to wfp. I supplied the equipment, my van and my water.

For every first clean, he gave me the full clean price and for each clean thereafter he took 50%. It did give me a lot of wfp experience, especially with first cleans, which I will always be grateful for, but after 3 months I returned all his work to him. 

Whilst I was busy working my guts off, I didn't have enough time to canvass to build my own business. You could well be in this position. If you did go out on your own, then the following months are going to be financially lean ones, just like I experienced. Building a round 20 years ago was much easier than it is today.

Another thing: did you sign any agreement that if you left his subcontractor umbrella, you couldn't work as a competing window cleaner in your local area?
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Richard iSparkle

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Re: Going it alone
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2022, 05:15:22 pm »
Are you a sub contracting WC or a franchisee?

I don't understand how he paid for the round but your working it? but if that's the case 20% sounds reasonable to me too.

if he has built a round that is the difficult bit really, and the expensive bit.

if you want to go it alone that's the bit you need to learn how to do and invest your money in
iSparkle Window Cleaning

www.isparklewindowcleaning.uk

Nimmer7

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Re: Going it alone
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2022, 07:25:19 pm »
I have been sub contracting to him for 15 years, I worked on a round for ten and built it up to being very successful. I was working with someone on that round until I reached my breaking point with him. A round came up for sale and I left everything I had worked for to concentrate on this. I didn’t care, said person mentally drained me and I couldn’t hack it anymore. 

As a sub contractor, I have built, over the last year a nice tidy but small round for Myself. (Nothing that isn’t done by others at the same company)

I don’t have enough to leave without this new work and daily asked why I don’t work for myself. It’s the ultimate goal to work for myself. With my own van, that I pay for to have my name on it.

No agreement signed, as a self employed window cleaner it would have been stupid to. It knowing what the future holds.

Thanks



Hi. I’m after some advice. I have worked as a sub contracting window cleaner for 15 years. 5 of those, my boss has taken 35% of what I’ve earned per job.  7 years at 25% and 3 at 20%. The last year I have been working on a round that he paid for outright, but now I’m thinking that the percentage I’m giving away as lots of money lost, as I practically do 95% for what is required of a window cleaner. Paperwork and cleaning etc. he just looks after money. I’m thinking about going it alone. What would be peopels advice. TIA

I don't know where you are from (you don't have to answer this,)  but this sounds like how a local window cleaning company works.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but it's taken you 15 years to reconsider your position?

When I first went wfp it took me a while to change our round over from trad.  After a couple of months, another local cleaner asked me if I would help him convert his round to wfp. I supplied the equipment, my van and my water.

For every first clean, he gave me the full clean price and for each clean thereafter he took 50%. It did give me a lot of wfp experience, especially with first cleans, which I will always be grateful for, but after 3 months I returned all his work to him. 

Whilst I was busy working my guts off, I didn't have enough time to canvass to build my own business. You could well be in this position. If you did go out on your own, then the following months are going to be financially lean ones, just like I experienced. Building a round 20 years ago was much easier than it is today.

Another thing: did you sign any agreement that if you left his subcontractor umbrella, you couldn't work as a competing window cleaner in your local area?

windowswashed

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Re: Going it alone
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2022, 11:31:09 pm »
Get a mortgage, find out your employment is going down to a three  day week, terrible news, that's what happened to me. Had to keep changing jobs until I could earn enough to  keep paying my mortgage on my own. I got into window cleaning by accident, was only suppose to be temporary stop gap.

Sometimes in life things don't go as planned which shakes us out of our steady routine and the only alternative is to jump ship and take a chance with things and to perservere if you want something bad enough.

Spruce

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Re: Going it alone
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2022, 07:56:10 am »
I have been sub contracting to him for 15 years, I worked on a round for ten and built it up to being very successful. I was working with someone on that round until I reached my breaking point with him. A round came up for sale and I left everything I had worked for to concentrate on this. I didn’t care, said person mentally drained me and I couldn’t hack it anymore. 

As a sub contractor, I have built, over the last year a nice tidy but small round for Myself. (Nothing that isn’t done by others at the same company)

I don’t have enough to leave without this new work and daily asked why I don’t work for myself. It’s the ultimate goal to work for myself. With my own van, that I pay for to have my name on it.

No agreement signed, as a self employed window cleaner it would have been stupid to. It knowing what the future holds.

Thanks



Hi. I’m after some advice. I have worked as a sub contracting window cleaner for 15 years. 5 of those, my boss has taken 35% of what I’ve earned per job.  7 years at 25% and 3 at 20%. The last year I have been working on a round that he paid for outright, but now I’m thinking that the percentage I’m giving away as lots of money lost, as I practically do 95% for what is required of a window cleaner. Paperwork and cleaning etc. he just looks after money. I’m thinking about going it alone. What would be peopels advice. TIA

I don't know where you are from (you don't have to answer this,)  but this sounds like how a local window cleaning company works.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but it's taken you 15 years to reconsider your position?

When I first went wfp it took me a while to change our round over from trad.  After a couple of months, another local cleaner asked me if I would help him convert his round to wfp. I supplied the equipment, my van and my water.

For every first clean, he gave me the full clean price and for each clean thereafter he took 50%. It did give me a lot of wfp experience, especially with first cleans, which I will always be grateful for, but after 3 months I returned all his work to him. 

Whilst I was busy working my guts off, I didn't have enough time to canvass to build my own business. You could well be in this position. If you did go out on your own, then the following months are going to be financially lean ones, just like I experienced. Building a round 20 years ago was much easier than it is today.

Another thing: did you sign any agreement that if you left his subcontractor umbrella, you couldn't work as a competing window cleaner in your local area?

I'm asking about the van. Is it yours with his name sign written on the side?

I believe most of us have been in a position where we didn't have enough work to cut ties with a previous job/employer and go completely into window cleaning. Sooner or later you are going to have to jump.  And when you do, you are going to be under a bit of financial stress until you establish yourself. And this I see is where your concern is. The hesitation before you jump is understandable.

Only you know when to take that leap of faith. At least you know the business; speaking for myself, I didn't. Window cleaning was totally new to me. I was 'forced' into it as I lost my job in the motor trade. We can tell you to go for it, but then we don't live your life. We don't take any responsibility if it doesn't work out for you.

Most new start businesses need capital behind them to get off the proverbial ground. Some might take a number of years before turning a profit. With wfp, our start-up costs are much higher than a trad window cleaner's was of Yester year.  You are in that position. You basically need savings or a long term loan or another form of financial backing to cover your expenses in the first few months (possibly 6 months or more) while you build up your own round.

With winter coming with reduced daylight hours and bad weather, you aren't going to be able to service both rounds very easily. That in itself is going to add further stress.

How would your current employer you subcontract to, react to you reducing your hours?  There is also a possibility that some of the customers you are currently cleaning will stick with you, but that's not a guarantee.

If I understand correctly, the only thing you don't handle is debt. One of the things we did in the early days was to buy 'George' the window cleaner's basic window cleaning program. It was, and still is, a stand-alone system that schedules your round and keeps track of debt. It was a one-time cost of £50. We have ours on a Surface Go tablet these days. But then again, you are running your own round which includes debt management.







Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Simon Trapani

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Re: Going it alone
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2022, 08:51:27 am »
Hi. I’m after some advice. I have worked as a sub contracting window cleaner for 15 years. 5 of those, my boss has taken 35% of what I’ve earned per job.  7 years at 25% and 3 at 20%. The last year I have been working on a round that he paid for outright, but now I’m thinking that the percentage I’m giving away as lots of money lost, as I practically do 95% for what is required of a window cleaner. Paperwork and cleaning etc. he just looks after money. I’m thinking about going it alone. What would be peopels advice. TIA

Go for it Nimmer. Don’t look back. You only live once.

Jay Le Huray

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Re: Going it alone
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2022, 09:17:29 am »
A bit of a long story but,
in the mid 70's I spilt with my then wife, I ended up living in a mates spare room and to top it all I then lost my job.

A day or so later I got chatting to a guy in our local social club and he offered me a job window cleaning, on the first day he showed me how to work (using trad in those days) so off I go I'm now cleaning windows full time, he only paid me £10 per day which was not a lot even then as the job I lost was £160 per week.

Six months down the line he took on another young lad and we ended up doing all his work whilst he spent his days at home,
most of the work was commercial and very well paid, this I know because at the end of each job I had to give the business the invoice plus a chitty to sign off the job, by now I find myself running his entire business for him driving the van and doing the paperwork etc.

After about 6 months I asked him for a rise to which he refused .  I then replied "if you don't pay me more I'm gonna leave and start up on my own" so his reply was "go on then"

The very next day I bought a ladder and trad cleaning kit, a roof rack for my car and the day after that I went out door knocking,

I always remember my first job I got, it was a bungalow priced at £1-50, the rest as they say is history.

By the end of my first year of going alone I ended up employing 2 young lads as I had so much work on, mind you it's fair to say that pre waterfed cleaning days not many people wanted the job so it was so easy getting work.

Another interesting thing too is I kept in contact with the young lad that worked with  me and he told me my old boss was struggling to keep   up with his work as he really did not want to do it, I then met him in the club one night and ended up buying
some of his quality work off him.

What ever  you decide to do, do with conviction and good luck.
Jay

Spruce

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Re: Going it alone
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2022, 10:16:47 am »
Hi. I’m after some advice. I have worked as a sub contracting window cleaner for 15 years. 5 of those, my boss has taken 35% of what I’ve earned per job.  7 years at 25% and 3 at 20%. The last year I have been working on a round that he paid for outright, but now I’m thinking that the percentage I’m giving away as lots of money lost, as I practically do 95% for what is required of a window cleaner. Paperwork and cleaning etc. he just looks after money. I’m thinking about going it alone. What would be peopels advice. TIA

Go for it Nimmer. Don’t look back. You only live once.

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Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

JandS

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Re: Going it alone
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2022, 05:02:42 pm »
£160 per week in the mid 70's........I started work in 1975 and was on £40 per week as a site labourer and that was considered quite good......the brickies, joiners etc were only on about £60 per week......I was only 17.
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