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dazmond

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Re: can anyone help me with pricing this?
« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2022, 09:57:37 pm »
These sorts of jobs I wouldn't take on personally....your asking for trouble in regards to RSI working at these heights in the future plus you ll need a very expensive pole that will probably be gathering dust most of the year
price higher/work harder!

Splash & dash

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Re: can anyone help me with pricing this?
« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2022, 10:02:18 pm »
These sorts of jobs I wouldn't take on personally....your asking for trouble in regards to RSI working at these heights in the future plus you ll need a very expensive pole that will probably be gathering dust most of the year


It’s a specialist job to make it worth spending 3:5 k on a pole you need to do a few jobs regularly  , this keeps your skill set up and muscles used to doing this kind of work it’s a  totally  different way of working once you go above 45 regularly.

Richard iSparkle

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Re: can anyone help me with pricing this?
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2022, 06:51:47 am »
Thanks everyone for your input.

It’s not just about having a bigger pole

I have 2 of our commercial customers asking about similar height work.

That gives me a lot to think about.
iSparkle Window Cleaning

www.isparklewindowcleaning.uk

zesty

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Re: can anyone help me with pricing this?
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2022, 07:37:25 am »
These sorts of jobs I wouldn't take on personally....your asking for trouble in regards to RSI working at these heights in the future plus you ll need a very expensive pole that will probably be gathering dust most of the year


It’s a specialist job to make it worth spending 3:5 k on a pole you need to do a few jobs regularly  , this keeps your skill set up and muscles used to doing this kind of work it’s a  totally  different way of working once you go above 45 regularly.

I’m still not convinced by the ultimate mate, I’m reluctant to take the plunge, the weight puts me off.

Do you not find the extra weight is harder on the body than using an xtreme at 5-6 story buildings?

Richard iSparkle

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Re: can anyone help me with pricing this?
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2022, 07:44:58 am »
Still got my SL2 50 and if it is calm with no breeze whatsoever, that thing only weighs just over 2kg and is a joy to use.
I won't use a Gardiner extreme  telescopic pole for 4st work unless it's really light winds.
Much prefer a heavier, higher carbon telescopic/modular pole for high work 25mph+
Always check the wind speed for the days of higher work. Have only had the hairs on the back of my neck stand up five times and abandoned the work for another day. Have to be sensible about high work and strong winds, not always possible to work on expected day so always handy to plan other work just in case.

Where would I get a heavier pole like you suggest?
iSparkle Window Cleaning

www.isparklewindowcleaning.uk

deeege

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Re: can anyone help me with pricing this?
« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2022, 09:22:25 am »
Still got my SL2 50 and if it is calm with no breeze whatsoever, that thing only weighs just over 2kg and is a joy to use.
I won't use a Gardiner extreme  telescopic pole for 4st work unless it's really light winds.
Much prefer a heavier, higher carbon telescopic/modular pole for high work 25mph+
Always check the wind speed for the days of higher work. Have only had the hairs on the back of my neck stand up five times and abandoned the work for another day. Have to be sensible about high work and strong winds, not always possible to work on expected day so always handy to plan other work just in case.

Where would I get a heavier pole like you suggest?

Brodex?  ;D
"....and it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink, and mother wake me early in the morning."

lal

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Re: can anyone help me with pricing this?
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2022, 11:30:21 am »
Still got my SL2 50 and if it is calm with no breeze whatsoever, that thing only weighs just over 2kg and is a joy to use.
I won't use a Gardiner extreme  telescopic pole for 4st work unless it's really light winds.
Much prefer a heavier, higher carbon telescopic/modular pole for high work 25mph+
Always check the wind speed for the days of higher work. Have only had the hairs on the back of my neck stand up five times and abandoned the work for another day. Have to be sensible about high work and strong winds, not always possible to work on expected day so always handy to plan other work just in case.

Where would I get a heavier pole like you suggest?

Brodex?  ;D

When i bought my first second hand van with Brodex system 10 years ago, it came with a 25ft Brodex Pole,
as a complete newbie to WFP back then, i thought this feckin Pole is Heavy.  😫😂😂

Splash & dash

  • Posts: 4364
Re: can anyone help me with pricing this?
« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2022, 01:36:00 pm »
These sorts of jobs I wouldn't take on personally....your asking for trouble in regards to RSI working at these heights in the future plus you ll need a very expensive pole that will probably be gathering dust most of the year


It’s a specialist job to make it worth spending 3:5 k on a pole you need to do a few jobs regularly  , this keeps your skill set up and muscles used to doing this kind of work it’s a  totally  different way of working once you go above 45 regularly.

I’m still not convinced by the ultimate mate, I’m reluctant to take the plunge, the weight puts me off.

Do you not find the extra weight is harder on the body than using an xtreme at 5-6 story buildings?


I have had the extream  47 with add  on sections  and in my opinion it’s unusable,, there is so much bend that he centre of the pole hits the building , it’s also very badly affected by wind , the ultimate is heavier and  bigger diameter sections but a far better pole much stiffer  and you have far more sideways movement control with it , I regularly use it for 4 hours at a time  as do staff and you do need a breather working at 60 feet plus but I wouldn’t use a else we have tried most poles and nothing else comes close at that height , it’s also very useful at 45 feet for solar panels only extend the top section half way and it’s stiff as a board and won’t hit the gutters like most poles will . Obviously at £1,500 to well over 3 k depending what length you need they aren’t cheap and you need the work to justify it but if you need a pole this length I would get it you won’t be disappointed, not sure ware you are but you are welcome to try one of mine if passing

Richard iSparkle

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Re: can anyone help me with pricing this?
« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2022, 02:21:14 pm »
These sorts of jobs I wouldn't take on personally....your asking for trouble in regards to RSI working at these heights in the future plus you ll need a very expensive pole that will probably be gathering dust most of the year


It’s a specialist job to make it worth spending 3:5 k on a pole you need to do a few jobs regularly  , this keeps your skill set up and muscles used to doing this kind of work it’s a  totally  different way of working once you go above 45 regularly.

I’m still not convinced by the ultimate mate, I’m reluctant to take the plunge, the weight puts me off.

Do you not find the extra weight is harder on the body than using an xtreme at 5-6 story buildings?


I have had the extream  47 with add  on sections  and in my opinion it’s unusable,, there is so much bend that he centre of the pole hits the building , it’s also very badly affected by wind , the ultimate is heavier and  bigger diameter sections but a far better pole much stiffer  and you have far more sideways movement control with it , I regularly use it for 4 hours at a time  as do staff and you do need a breather working at 60 feet plus but I wouldn’t use a else we have tried most poles and nothing else comes close at that height , it’s also very useful at 45 feet for solar panels only extend the top section half way and it’s stiff as a board and won’t hit the gutters like most poles will . Obviously at £1,500 to well over 3 k depending what length you need they aren’t cheap and you need the work to justify it but if you need a pole this length I would get it you won’t be disappointed, not sure ware you are but you are welcome to try one of mine if passing

thank you .

where are you based ? I'm in Chester
iSparkle Window Cleaning

www.isparklewindowcleaning.uk

Splash & dash

  • Posts: 4364
Re: can anyone help me with pricing this?
« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2022, 02:46:43 pm »
These sorts of jobs I wouldn't take on personally....your asking for trouble in regards to RSI working at these heights in the future plus you ll need a very expensive pole that will probably be gathering dust most of the year


It’s a specialist job to make it worth spending 3:5 k on a pole you need to do a few jobs regularly  , this keeps your skill set up and muscles used to doing this kind of work it’s a  totally  different way of working once you go above 45 regularly.

I’m still not convinced by the ultimate mate, I’m reluctant to take the plunge, the weight puts me off.

Do you not find the extra weight is harder on the body than using an xtreme at 5-6 story buildings?


I have had the extream  47 with add  on sections  and in my opinion it’s unusable,, there is so much bend that he centre of the pole hits the building , it’s also very badly affected by wind , the ultimate is heavier and  bigger diameter sections but a far better pole much stiffer  and you have far more sideways movement control with it , I regularly use it for 4 hours at a time  as do staff and you do need a breather working at 60 feet plus but I wouldn’t use a else we have tried most poles and nothing else comes close at that height , it’s also very useful at 45 feet for solar panels only extend the top section half way and it’s stiff as a board and won’t hit the gutters like most poles will . Obviously at £1,500 to well over 3 k depending what length you need they aren’t cheap and you need the work to justify it but if you need a pole this length I would get it you won’t be disappointed, not sure ware you are but you are welcome to try one of mine if passing

thank you .

where are you based ? I'm in Chester


Oh dear that’s a long way away ime in Cornwall 😂😂

jo5hm4n

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Re: can anyone help me with pricing this?
« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2022, 05:49:42 pm »
Correct me if im wrong but this looks like the hotel near the racecourse in Chester? :P

Nice potential client there, hope all goes well with the quoting for this one.  Walked past it so many times it's a nice hotel for sure.

Good luck with the pricing bit too big for my boots this kind of work.

windowswashed

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Re: can anyone help me with pricing this?
« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2022, 05:51:51 pm »
Still got my SL2 50 and if it is calm with no breeze whatsoever, that thing only weighs just over 2kg and is a joy to use.
I won't use a Gardiner extreme  telescopic pole for 4st work unless it's really light winds.
Much prefer a heavier, higher carbon telescopic/modular pole for high work 25mph+
Always check the wind speed for the days of higher work. Have only had the hairs on the back of my neck stand up five times and abandoned the work for another day. Have to be sensible about high work and strong winds, not always possible to work on expected day so always handy to plan other work just in case.

Where would I get a heavier pole like you suggest?

Normally I would say Reach-it but the exchange rate is lousy at the moment, it's not worth paying over the odds and it would take a couple weeks if you ordered it now. I use their highest carbon poles, same with extensions that slot in between the poles so I can reduce it as I'm coming down each level.  They are really rigid poles but slightly heavier when fully extended. Use the hose outside the pole so can easily pull off sections to make it much lighter as I'm coming down the levels. I use their widest radial lite brush and adapted the gooseneck so it's wide enough to reach the glass properly on deep sills.

Also use Unger ultra high modulous but they are expensive as well but also very good and similar to reach-it poles as I swapped out Reach-it's top five clamps for Ungers as they click locked better and easier to open.

Downside to using a telescopic pole is that you're using a really heavy pole for the entire building all the way to the bottom. Telescopic mixed with modular makes more sense to work with.

 Main reason I decided not to go with Gardiner Ultimate pole wasn't the weight issue but the diameter of the base sections, would give me finger cramps being so wide making it difficult to grasp the handle with a tight firm grip unlike Reach-it and Unger which have smaller diameter base handles making it easier to grasp more comfortably for prolonged periods.


NWH

  • Posts: 16952
Re: can anyone help me with pricing this?
« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2022, 05:59:33 pm »
Reach-it poles 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 what people actually still take Perry seriously he’s like an inventor that’s run out of inventions lol,if that bloke told me it was raining I’d have to go and look out the window just to check for myself.

windowswashed

  • Posts: 2577
Re: can anyone help me with pricing this?
« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2022, 06:11:35 pm »
Reach-it poles 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 what people actually still take Perry seriously he’s like an inventor that’s run out of inventions lol,if that bloke told me it was raining I’d have to go and look out the window just to check for myself.
Reach-it poles and brushes are miles ahead now compared to most others, You are very welcome to mock them and I will quite happily continue using their poles and brushes, can't fault their 'lite' and ultra lite' brushes, darn site quicker than an extreme brush.

NWH

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Re: can anyone help me with pricing this?
« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2022, 06:15:34 pm »
Lol rubbish m8 the only brush I’ve ever thought that may have legs is the new solar panel one which is probably about a grand lol.

windowswashed

  • Posts: 2577
Re: can anyone help me with pricing this?
« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2022, 06:21:37 pm »
Lol rubbish m8 the only brush I’ve ever thought that may have legs is the new solar panel one which is probably about a grand lol.
I wouldn't use their solar brush as the rinse comes out straight. The 'Lite' and 'Ultra lite' come out as two arcs of water which when turned vertically can be controlled very easily to prevent water going too high on the frames owing to gravity and the design of the internal rinse bars which are unlike any other make on the market to date. Unless you have tried them you wouldn't have a clue of the difference compared to normal rinse bars by other manufacturers.

NWH

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Re: can anyone help me with pricing this?
« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2022, 06:40:12 pm »
I watched a clip of those very small brushes and thought I wouldn’t mind trying one but I wouldn’t give that bloke another 💵 Dollar,I purchased a Gunslinger from him and it was dreadful leaked water everywhere completely soaked me.
Had absolutely no joy in getting my money back after months and months just got sent the same crap product as a replacement,the way it’s setup is dodgy with payment methods through different companies etc makes Del Boy look like he’s as straight as they come.

windowswashed

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Re: can anyone help me with pricing this?
« Reply #37 on: September 27, 2022, 06:51:44 pm »
I watched a clip of those very small brushes and thought I wouldn’t mind trying one but I wouldn’t give that bloke another 💵 Dollar,I purchased a Gunslinger from him and it was dreadful leaked water everywhere completely soaked me.
Had absolutely no joy in getting my money back after months and months just got sent the same crap product as a replacement,the way it’s setup is dodgy with payment methods through different companies etc makes Del Boy look like he’s as straight as they come.

He doesn't have the best customer care but the 'lite' brush is really light, scrubs really good and the twin arcs of water above the bristles is brilliant idea.
If you do get the chance to borrow one and use a different technique like you would with a squeegie,  I think you'd be impressed. I can honestly say it's the best brush I've ever used for flicking spiders nest out of the inside corners of window frames. and the best for getting the water to sheet on hydrophobic glass as the bristles are so compact the water won't run below the top row of bristles once it sits on the glass as it behaves like a blade of water just sitting above the bristles.
I have tried more brushes than most and will swear by these brushes, so much easier and better than the rest.

NWH

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Re: can anyone help me with pricing this?
« Reply #38 on: September 27, 2022, 08:06:20 pm »
At the end of the day they are not UK water fed pole brushes they only look like they work of any sense on big plate glass windows ie car showrooms or office windows,hence why he’s always demo ing them on such glass.
They don’t have customer service that part of the business does not exist it hasn’t been thought of because it never occurred to him he may need it,that’s the arrogance and ignorance of the man.

NWH

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Re: can anyone help me with pricing this?
« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2022, 09:11:27 pm »
Also this getting hydrophobic glass to sheet etc imo is nonsense you can’t change the reaction that water has to the glass when it’s being applied to it,it’s something that happens during the making of the said piece-sheet of glass by using a rinse bar it ain’t gonna change that even though it may look like it on the glass.
It’s like using fans it looks like it’s giving a better rinse but will still leave spotting on the same part of the window that pencils did although with fans more than likely more.