[CleanClear]

When they go do they just stop working?
On Friday mine turned itself off 3 times during the day but when I pressed the button it came back on again.
Today after 5 minutes it switched itself off and wouldn't come back on....fiddled with wiring to no avail so did rest of day with battery straight to pump.......new controller ordered.
On full flow it certainly makes a difference speed wise but certainly uses up the water.

As it turns out mate, you don't need a controller. Just get an Aquatec pump.

[Simon Trapani]

SO so far ...

My pumps are going strong. My battery doesn't fail. And Alex Gardiner reportedly doesn't use a flow controller. I don't have a flow controller to go wrong. I use no more water than others.

I have infinite flow control at any given moment.

Tell me again why I am wrong to NOT use a flow controller.

No right or wrong. Do what you want. Each to their own.

[AuRavelling79]

SO so far ...

My pumps are going strong. My battery doesn't fail. And Alex Gardiner reportedly doesn't use a flow controller. I don't have a flow controller to go wrong. I use no more water than others.

I have infinite flow control at any given moment.

Tell me again why I am wrong to NOT use a flow controller.

You said it yourself, and you've gone all around the world to say it............... You use an Aquatec pump.

There you go. I have used Shurflo - with a flow controller because the pressure switch WILL fail if you don't.

Are you smiling still ?

Not at all. I only had an Aquatec by chance. I just bought a "Gardiners" pump and took a chance. I am passing on my experience. I had to look up what the pump was called. I fitted it and forgot it. Literally.

I wouldn't give up the infinite flow control I have even if I got through twice as many pumps and batteries. But I don't.

[AuRavelling79]

When they go do they just stop working?
On Friday mine turned itself off 3 times during the day but when I pressed the button it came back on again.
Today after 5 minutes it switched itself off and wouldn't come back on....fiddled with wiring to no avail so did rest of day with battery straight to pump.......new controller ordered.
On full flow it certainly makes a difference speed wise but certainly uses up the water.

As it turns out mate, you don't need a controller. Just get an Aquatec pump.

... and a tap. 

[AuRavelling79]

Each to their own lol.

So no answer other than LOL because my pumps and battery should have failed? And yet they don't.  Must be irritating to some  that some people get through more flow controllers than I get through pumps.

Mate you crack on if you're happy. I think I have more info about pumps & batterys etc but we'll just agree to disagree. My pumps & batterys will last longer with a controller & a good charge routine.

Well tell me about them. If it works then explain.

How long have your pumps and batteries lasted?

Mate i don't know exactly how long. Years in both vans. I don't want to get into all this. I can't type that quick & it's frustrating.
But if a controller allows your pump to only be working at say half power it will last twice as long in theory. It will also use only draw half the power thus draining the battery less. With a decent leisure battery & charge routine (split & bench combined) you'll then be taking less deep cycles out of your battery. Read up about battery cycles & not draining them below a certain percentage on the net if you're not convinced. It makes for the most efficient system.

Plenty will get by with their scrap yard starter battery or connect to vehicle battery & say they never have a problem I know but it's just not the way to go.

I can't type any more. My fingers ache.

I don't use a scrapyard battery (though I did when I started - but they didn't last long) - I don't connect to my vehicle battery (because I believe I might get caught out) and I agree that is not the way to go.

But those are different issues to using a flow controller.

[Simon Trapani]

It's all connected.

I'm not arguing anymore. I'm tired. Night.

[Splash & dash]

SO so far ...

My pumps are going strong. My battery doesn't fail. And Alex Gardiner reportedly doesn't use a flow controller. I don't have a flow controller to go wrong. I use no more water than others.

I have infinite flow control at any given moment.

Tell me again why I am wrong to NOT use a flow controller.

You said it yourself, and you've gone all around the world to say it............... You use an Aquatec pump.

There you go. I have used Shurflo - with a flow controller because the pressure switch WILL fail if you don't.

Are you smiling still ?

Not at all. I only had an Aquatec by chance. I just bought a "Gardiners" pump and took a chance. I am passing on my experience. I had to look up what the pump was called. I fitted it and forgot it. Literally.

I wouldn't give up the infinite flow control I have even if I got through twice as many pumps and batteries. But I don't.

Ionic’s use the aquatec pumps as well and just put their stickers on them and charge £180 plus for them 😂😂😂😂

[Pete Thompson]

The proof is in the pudding. If your set-up works for you and you’re happy with it, then that is all that matters.

Everything else is irrelevant.

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

A flow controller makes so much sense for so many reasons. The spring V16's are fantastic controllers and at around £100 really are a no brainer. Many negatives to not having one and many positives to having one. Not even worth arguing about!😎👌

Educate me why I would be better off with one.

I get the feeling that the last sentence in my post above may come back to haunt me, and I should know better. 😁
My first pump, without a controller lasted 4 years. My second pump (same pump) with a controller lasted 14 years!
The controller allows full and fine control over pressure and flow rate- both of which are pretty major fundamental factors in the working harmony of a well balanced, reliable and economical delivery system!
I run my pump direct from the van's own battery, all day with no issues. Before I had a controller, this wasn't possible- battery failures were common. The unit micro adjusts to allow for differences in pole height (resistance) so no matter what height I work at, my predetermined flow rate remains exactly the same. I also have full and very accurate control of pressure. All my connections on my reel and pole hose (univalve etc) are all retained only by plastic cable ties- no jubilee clips, metal bands etc. I set the pressure cut off value so fine that I can choose the amount of seconds the pump runs before stopping upon activating the univalve! No leaks, no connectors popping off, no air ingress, no huge splurge of water on reconnection, no requirement to waterproof the van floor etc etc. All the above working in complete harmony means that the pump is only ever working as hard and fast as it absolutely has to in order to supply the pre set, perfect amount of flow and pressure. Which, in turn, equates the minimum wear on the pump and minimum power draw off the battery. In conjunction with a univalve, a considerable saving on water consumption too. I also use a swivel like you but with a gardiner 'water through' neck and a univalve. It's like comparing the smooth guaranteed comfort of a rolls royce to that of a reliant robin.... and all for massive sum of a hundred smackers!
Last year, I replaced my 14 year old one with a new, pre wired V16 spring and shurflo on a back plate from pure freedom. Red wire to van batteru and black earthed to van body (lashing point). Simple, easy, reliable with total and complete control of some of the most important factors at end of delivery.
You choose, but I would never want to work without one, ever.😎👌

[AuRavelling79]

Questions for you Winpro...

When you are stood away from your van working can you adjust the flow rate on your pole and if so how?

Does your controller allow you to run your pump at maximum pressure/power and if you do how do your plastic hose clips fare?

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

Questions for you Winpro...

When you are stood away from your van working can you adjust the flow rate on your pole and if so how?

Does your controller allow you to run your pump at maximum pressure/power and if you do how do your plastic hose clips fare?

1. Not with mine but you can buy a version that comes with a remote control which allows this, obviously more expensive. The very rare occasion I may want to reduce my preset flow, I just pinch the hose.

2. I wouldn't encounter any situation that would require this but yes, of course you can run the pump at full flow and full pressure. You have total control from zero to maximum over all values. Me personally,  I run a flow of 30 out of a maximum of 99 and pressure at 48 from 99.  At a flow rate
of 40, water is bouncing off the glass. My maximum, on say a glass wall is 35. Pressure is adjusted slightly, +/- 3 values approx to counter winter and summer ambient temps or if I use the immersion.

[Ian Sheppard]

controller wire were to always red and black

when I had an early pure PF system both controllers had nothing but black wires - both to the battery and the pump
that made life quite difficult

Darran

Hi Darren. Yes the V3 controllers we produced way back did use Just Red/Black cables for Battery and Pump connections. Back then we put number tags on the cables to identify which was which. One of a number of changes over time was to use different colour cables for the Pump output using a UK standard Brown for Positive and Blue for Negative which for those of us of a certain vintage was the same used in plugs before fully moulded plugs became a thing.

[AuRavelling79]

So let me tell you a about a farmhouse that I do. The fronts have traditional sliding sash windows which are a bit worse for wear. One is particularly poor so I turn the flow low.

The backs have upper windows which are leaded and need to be carefully cleaned. But then there are rooflights on a new extension which has new glass doors across its whole width.

So I want low flow in places, mid flow on the rooflights and full flow on the patio doors. I adjust thus with a tap.

I don't see any benefit to the system being used by most on here.

The owner did say that the previous cleaner got water in the old windows.

Maybe he just cracked on at his pre set speed?

If I had a fob to adjust flow from a distance how long does it take to change and settle down? Immediately? A couple of seconds? Longer? Does it work from behind a house?

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

So let me tell you a about a farmhouse that I do. The fronts have traditional sliding sash windows which are a bit worse for wear. One is particularly poor so I turn the flow low.

The backs have upper windows which are leaded and need to be carefully cleaned. But then there are rooflights on a new extension which has new glass doors across its whole width.

So I want low flow in places, mid flow on the rooflights and full flow on the patio doors. I adjust thus with a tap.

I don't see any benefit to the system being used by most on here.

The owner did say that the previous cleaner got water in the old windows.

Maybe he just cracked on at his pre set speed?

If I had a fob to adjust flow from a distance how long does it take to change and settle down? Immediately? A couple of seconds? Longer? Does it work from behind a house?

Well if you are prepared to allow one job prevent you from using a far better solution for the other 99.9% and be better for your whole system then...... I ain't wasting any more time with you pal, crack on!🤔😎👌

[AuRavelling79]

So let me tell you a about a farmhouse that I do. The fronts have traditional sliding sash windows which are a bit worse for wear. One is particularly poor so I turn the flow low.

The backs have upper windows which are leaded and need to be carefully cleaned. But then there are rooflights on a new extension which has new glass doors across its whole width.

So I want low flow in places, mid flow on the rooflights and full flow on the patio doors. I adjust thus with a tap.

I don't see any benefit to the system being used by most on here.

The owner did say that the previous cleaner got water in the old windows.

Maybe he just cracked on at his pre set speed?

If I had a fob to adjust flow from a distance how long does it take to change and settle down? Immediately? A couple of seconds? Longer? Does it work from behind a house?

Well if you are prepared to allow one job prevent you from using a far better solution for the other 99.9% and be better for your whole system then...... I ain't wasting any more time with you pal, crack on!🤔😎👌

So no "far better solution" at all -  just hot air and ridicule from you then. To recap - my simple system gets water where I want it at the precise flow I need it exactly when I want it. Yours doesn't.

I have no failure of pump, no failure of battery no over usage of water.

Sorry if your "Rolls-Royce" can't make it up a farm track. You're getting water to a brush. If you want to do that by gold-plating it so you can look down on me then that's fine by me.

Now ... can anyone else answer this question please?

If I had a fob to adjust flow from a distance how long does it take to change and settle down? Immediately? A couple of seconds? Longer? Does it work from behind a house?

[Ian Sheppard]

So let me tell you a about a farmhouse that I do. The fronts have traditional sliding sash windows which are a bit worse for wear. One is particularly poor so I turn the flow low.

The backs have upper windows which are leaded and need to be carefully cleaned. But then there are rooflights on a new extension which has new glass doors across its whole width.

So I want low flow in places, mid flow on the rooflights and full flow on the patio doors. I adjust thus with a tap.

I don't see any benefit to the system being used by most on here.

The owner did say that the previous cleaner got water in the old windows.

Maybe he just cracked on at his pre set speed?

If I had a fob to adjust flow from a distance how long does it take to change and settle down? Immediately? A couple of seconds? Longer? Does it work from behind a house?

The Forum is always a very good place for debate as demonstrated above and people will differ on methods. There is lot of information already here.

To answer the specific question regarding V16 WFP Link radio remote.
1. Yes It can work out of sight of the receiver. We use Long range radio technology. Range can be over a 100  meters depending on the site.
2. The pump is altered instantly.  However as the hose is pressurised over 80 meters it can take a couple seconds for the flow to change at the brush head. This is normal Fluid Dynamics, factors such as the run of hose, Expansion rates. Hose wall density, even ambient temperatures have an effect. The colder water becomes its viscosity changes and this will also impact on how fast flow rate changes. The same effect would be noted using a pole tap unless the tap is very close to the brush head.

There are  videos showing WFP Link controllers being used in real world sites . This is a link to one of them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHl1XDxDMvs&t=483s

The controller in the video is a V11 But the radio technology is the same as used in the Newer V16 WFPL XBT

Thank you to Dave Pedan as always for the review and thank you to CIU for the opportunity to share the information

[CleanClear]

So I want low flow in places, mid flow on the rooflights and full flow on the patio doors. I adjust thus with a tap.

If thats what you want and you get then thats great for you. Can't be many who faff about like that.

[AuRavelling79]

So let me tell you a about a farmhouse that I do. The fronts have traditional sliding sash windows which are a bit worse for wear. One is particularly poor so I turn the flow low.

The backs have upper windows which are leaded and need to be carefully cleaned. But then there are rooflights on a new extension which has new glass doors across its whole width.

So I want low flow in places, mid flow on the rooflights and full flow on the patio doors. I adjust thus with a tap.

I don't see any benefit to the system being used by most on here.

The owner did say that the previous cleaner got water in the old windows.

Maybe he just cracked on at his pre set speed?

If I had a fob to adjust flow from a distance how long does it take to change and settle down? Immediately? A couple of seconds? Longer? Does it work from behind a house?

The Forum is always a very good place for debate as demonstrated above and people will differ on methods. There is lot of information already here.

To answer the specific question regarding V16 WFP Link radio remote.
1. Yes It can work out of sight of the receiver. We use Long range radio technology. Range can be over a 100  meters depending on the site.
2. The pump is altered instantly.  However as the hose is pressurised over 80 meters it can take a couple seconds for the flow to change at the brush head. This is normal Fluid Dynamics, factors such as the run of hose, Expansion rates. Hose wall density, even ambient temperatures have an effect. The colder water becomes its viscosity changes and this will also impact on how fast flow rate changes. The same effect would be noted using a pole tap unless the tap is very close to the brush head.

There are  videos showing WFP Link controllers being used in real world sites . This is a link to one of them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHl1XDxDMvs&t=483s

The controller in the video is a V11 But the radio technology is the same as used in the Newer V16 WFPL XBT

Thank you to Dave Pedan as always for the review and thank you to CIU for the opportunity to share the information

Thank you.

When I used an old dial controller with a Shurflo I noticed the small lag between changing the dial and when it came out the brush head 100 metres later.

On my everyday pole the tap (on my holster) is a one quarter turn job that is about 7.5 metres from the brush head - as regards the flow change -  it feels instantaneous to me. Even on the Extreme 47 it feels pretty instant too - I'll check next time I use it.

[AuRavelling79]

So I want low flow in places, mid flow on the rooflights and full flow on the patio doors. I adjust thus with a tap.

If thats what you want and you get then thats great for you. Can't be many who faff about like that.

Where is the faff? I move the brush between windows - where I hold the base of the pole with my right hand is very close to the tap -  which I flick to the best position. Like a well oiled machine. 

[AuRavelling79]

Another one I do is an old 1860's manor house over three (high) floors. Between the transoms and the opener is an old porous sandstone cill with no drip catching moulding underneath. If I splash about on the top pane then water will soak down and into the gap between it and the top frame of the window below. So I go along the transoms on very low flow then along the long panes below at full blast.

Yet another is a similar Accountant's practice in a Georgian building - if I couldn't adjust the flow up and down incrementally then their leaky old windows would have dribbles on the inside. If I set the speed before I started the job then I would be running too slow for the bigger areas of glass.

I have several properties like this on my round.