[Splash & dash]

Then he’s made a new compound - that’s no longer bleach

Bleach returns to salts - this happens quickly and with the dilutions used in softwashing is inactive before it reaches the drains - with further dilution it is generally harmless

Please note - you have it swimming pools and on farms and it’s sprayed on growing veg.

Sometimes these things are blown up way out of proportion- yes if you tip 20 litres of 14% hypo into a storm drain there will be issues… but that’s a rogue trader not generally your average cleaning company

Also in the mix are H&E people with no sense - happy to ban everything - used properly there should be no issues with bleach

Darran

Thanks Darran at last a common sense reply . There is tons of information out there that’s accurate and just as much that’s not

[DJW]

You don’t see many fish in swimming pools, I wonder why?

[Rob.Hall]

Morning all

We had a warning from the environmental agency regarding hypo running into surface drains from a roof clean.

How do you guys collect and correctly dispose? I'm also told we shouldn't let any chemical run off on to any soil or grass whats so ever.

I'm more concerned how to collect and dispose from render cleans.

So why did the EA warn Ascjim if its legal?

[Smudger]

You don’t see many fish in swimming pools, I wonder why?

would you want too?


Ref EA : - depends on what the warning is for and the use of - its a bit like saying ladder use is illegal ...

there is a difference between being advised and "breaking the law"

Darran

[Smudger]

in fact I would bet if it was illegal - they wouldn't mess around with a "warning" - it would be straight to the fine/court stage..

Darran

[Splash & dash]

Morning all

We had a warning from the environmental agency regarding hypo running into surface drains from a roof clean.

How do you guys collect and correctly dispose? I'm also told we shouldn't let any chemical run off on to any soil or grass whats so ever.

I'm more concerned how to collect and dispose from render cleans.

So why did the EA warn Ascjim if its legal?

If what he was doing was illegal or likely to cause a pollution incident it wouldn’t have been a warning but a minimum fine of 59k upwards plus clean up costs , so he clearly wasn’t doing anything that bad

[Ascjim]

A Member of the public reported run off going down gutter drains.

No investigation, they didn't ask what it was, just a warning if we get more reports they will investigate at our cost.

Haven't seen the letter yet, still in the post.

[zesty]

Must admit I had a load of apartment blocks to clean in Cambridge this last year, but had a bad feeling about it. I just haven’t felt comfortable spraying hypo about on that scale.

Plus I’m based in Essex so it’s a bit of a trek each day!

Anyone that way might get a phone call asking to quote at any moment 

I just decided I didn’t want to do it. Rare for me,  I’ve never turned down a softwash job. This one was just too big and too risky with so many people about and the concern of windows being open etc etc.

Splash, I dont understand what mixing fairy could do? I can’t see anything in fairy that’s dangerous to mix with hypo…

Look up hylothorms and clorothorms  sorry spelling isn’t right , but in a nut shell  it can cause a carsonogenic  substance

I looked all that up years ago, never found anything convincing. I can’t find anything in ph7 fairy or e cover that will react with bleach.

It’s not like it’s an acid. That’s where the chlorine gas comes from…

If there is a risk with fairy, it is probably extremely low, negligible…

I rung clover chemicals about it years ago, was told it isn’t a problem to add and dish soap to bleach.

[DJW]

I would imagine (no I’m not an expert) that if the run off was proved to enter the river system then Joe Public might go berserk. If it goes to the sewage system then not so bad. 🤷‍♂️
There’s people willing to glue themselves to the road these days over things like this.

[Splash & dash]

A Member of the public reported run off going down gutter drains.

No investigation, they didn't ask what it was, just a warning if we get more reports they will investigate at our cost.

Haven't seen the letter yet, still in the post.

Let us know how it goes , ime sure you will be fine if they were going to do anything it would have been investigated straight away and they would stop you working .

[Splash & dash]

Must admit I had a load of apartment blocks to clean in Cambridge this last year, but had a bad feeling about it. I just haven’t felt comfortable spraying hypo about on that scale.

Plus I’m based in Essex so it’s a bit of a trek each day!

Anyone that way might get a phone call asking to quote at any moment 

I just decided I didn’t want to do it. Rare for me,  I’ve never turned down a softwash job. This one was just too big and too risky with so many people about and the concern of windows being open etc etc.

Splash, I dont understand what mixing fairy could do? I can’t see anything in fairy that’s dangerous to mix with hypo…

Look up hylothorms and clorothorms  sorry spelling isn’t right , but in a nut shell  it can cause a carsonogenic  substance

I looked all that up years ago, never found anything convincing. I can’t find anything in ph7 fairy or e cover that will react with bleach.

It’s not like it’s an acid. That’s where the chlorine gas comes from…

If there is a risk with fairy, it is probably extremely low, negligible…

I rung clover chemicals about it years ago, was told it isn’t a problem to add and dish soap to bleach.

There have been proven links using fairy in hypo to cancer , both products are fine on their own but mixing them is ware the problem starts , I am also very surprised if clover said put fairy in hypo as it’s  illegal you  are making a new chemical that’s not approved , only approved and tested surfactants can be added to hypo , the last few drums of hypo we have bought state on the drum do not add anything to this product that’s not approved and licensed , I think this is a new thing as previous drums did not have this on them

[Smudger]

Again, this is very ambiguous - as in every home bleach and washing up liquid sit side by side.....

however commercially - things a re different - just like weed killing - personally I can spray it all over my garden - over the paths etc.. commercially I need a licence ....

Sounds to me you just have a troublesome neighbour busybody - and the EA are "fulfilling" their obligation to follow up on a complaint - box ticked

It does remind me, many years ago we were cleaning in a village when the broads authority came around after a complaint that a passer by suffered a reaction while we were cleaning the front of a property, - thing was we were only using HOT steam - not a chemical in sight  - turns out the complaint was a neighbour 3 doors down who had a gripe with the owner of the building I was cleaning..

Darran

[zesty]

Must admit I had a load of apartment blocks to clean in Cambridge this last year, but had a bad feeling about it. I just haven’t felt comfortable spraying hypo about on that scale.

Plus I’m based in Essex so it’s a bit of a trek each day!

Anyone that way might get a phone call asking to quote at any moment 

I just decided I didn’t want to do it. Rare for me,  I’ve never turned down a softwash job. This one was just too big and too risky with so many people about and the concern of windows being open etc etc.

Splash, I dont understand what mixing fairy could do? I can’t see anything in fairy that’s dangerous to mix with hypo…

Look up hylothorms and clorothorms  sorry spelling isn’t right , but in a nut shell  it can cause a carsonogenic  substance

I looked all that up years ago, never found anything convincing. I can’t find anything in ph7 fairy or e cover that will react with bleach.

It’s not like it’s an acid. That’s where the chlorine gas comes from…

If there is a risk with fairy, it is probably extremely low, negligible…

I rung clover chemicals about it years ago, was told it isn’t a problem to add and dish soap to bleach.

There have been proven links using fairy in hypo to cancer , both products are fine on their own but mixing them is ware the problem starts , I am also very surprised if clover said put fairy in hypo as it’s  illegal you  are making a new chemical that’s not approved , only approved and tested surfactants can be added to hypo , the last few drums of hypo we have bought state on the drum do not add anything to this product that’s not approved and licensed , I think this is a new thing as previous drums did not have this on them

I’d like to see those proven links.

I honestly do not believe there is anything in fairy that can react in a dangerous way to hypo. If there is, I’d like to know which exact ingredient it is.

[Matt.]

House hold bleach and cleaning products have spent many pennies legalising what they sell and what goes down the drain that’s why it’s accepted
Hypo is an absolute NO NO for any proper company that does things by the book, and u should always get a warning before the fine so they can then say well we warned u.

We use hypo to help clean hard surfaces, this is not the correct use for it so we would never be able to justify it again st a council or environmental officer

[Splash & dash]

Must admit I had a load of apartment blocks to clean in Cambridge this last year, but had a bad feeling about it. I just haven’t felt comfortable spraying hypo about on that scale.

Plus I’m based in Essex so it’s a bit of a trek each day!

Anyone that way might get a phone call asking to quote at any moment 

I just decided I didn’t want to do it. Rare for me,  I’ve never turned down a softwash job. This one was just too big and too risky with so many people about and the concern of windows being open etc etc.

Splash, I dont understand what mixing fairy could do? I can’t see anything in fairy that’s dangerous to mix with hypo…

Look up hylothorms and clorothorms  sorry spelling isn’t right , but in a nut shell  it can cause a carsonogenic  substance

I looked all that up years ago, never found anything convincing. I can’t find anything in ph7 fairy or e cover that will react with bleach.

It’s not like it’s an acid. That’s where the chlorine gas comes from…

If there is a risk with fairy, it is probably extremely low, negligible…

I rung clover chemicals about it years ago, was told it isn’t a problem to add and dish soap to bleach.

There have been proven links using fairy in hypo to cancer , both products are fine on their own but mixing them is ware the problem starts , I am also very surprised if clover said put fairy in hypo as it’s  illegal you  are making a new chemical that’s not approved , only approved and tested surfactants can be added to hypo , the last few drums of hypo we have bought state on the drum do not add anything to this product that’s not approved and licensed , I think this is a new thing as previous drums did not have this on them

I’d like to see those proven links.

I honestly do not believe there is anything in fairy that can react in a dangerous way to hypo. If there is, I’d like to know which exact ingredient it is.

Ime not a chemist or scientist but am happy  to accept what they say I don’t have a clue about the make up of fairy liquid ,and how it can react with certain other chemicals .

[Splash & dash]

House hold bleach and cleaning products have spent many pennies legalising what they sell and what goes down the drain that’s why it’s accepted
Hypo is an absolute NO NO for any proper company that does things by the book, and u should always get a warning before the fine so they can then say well we warned u.

We use hypo to help clean hard surfaces, this is not the correct use for it so we would never be able to justify it again st a council or environmental officer

Sorry to disagree but you are wrong , sodium hypochlorite is a biocide , biocides are specifically made to sterilise hard surfaces  hospitals use a wide array of biocide products for this very reason , hypochlorite is also an approved cleaning agent , especially in the dairy industry , all pre packed  salads  stuff sold in supermarkets is washed in bleach to kill off bugs and give a longer shelf life , every glass of water you drink contains a small portion of bleach , if you live in America all meats are injected with it again to prolong shelf life , and so the list goes on hypo is perfectly safe if used correctly, look at Benz web site videos there stuff is government approved ,you won’t find any videos of them salvaging the waist water it’s all going on the ground  ,on paving and down drains and on grass and soil ,and they are  approved to use it this way .

[Ggh]

Think of the fish!!!!

[G Griffin]

You might get done for a bleach of the peace or Domestos abuse.

[DJW]

Have to be really thick bleach to get caught for that. Should come clean.

[zesty]

Bloke today has all his rain water flow from gutters etc into a pond, I told him the chemical will make the fish strong and healthy.

Cracked on.

On a serious note, these are the situations you have to use common sense…

The pond was dried up, isn’t a fish pond, and bone dry. He was fine about the small amount going into his porch gutters and into the ‘pond’.

Honesty is the best policy, I’ve learnt to be totally honest about hypo to customers. Makes the job less stressful.

Some people try to tell customers very little about the Chems, but it’s defo better to be up front about it.