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Perfect Windows

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Electric vans, fitting tanks
« on: June 07, 2022, 05:38:37 pm »
Anyone dealt with this? The exploded views of electric vans seem to show vast battery banks under the van floor. Has anyone any experience of trying to bolt though the van floor above these?

Cheers,

Vin

EandM

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Re: Electric vans, fitting tanks
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2022, 06:29:55 pm »
I was watching a video today about what happens when Lithium meets water - it's most entertaining but a bit of a worry as well.

NWH

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Re: Electric vans, fitting tanks
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2022, 06:56:47 pm »
You can get a lithium battery in the 45ltr trolley from Xline lol.

EandM

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Re: Electric vans, fitting tanks
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2022, 07:57:47 pm »
https://youtu.be/vRKK6pliejs?t=19


Handle with care, as The Wilburys said.

JandS

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Re: Electric vans, fitting tanks
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2022, 09:30:45 pm »
Wait till you see an electric car fire.
Impossible done straight away, miracles can take a little longer.

Arnold Palmer

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Re: Electric vans, fitting tanks
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2022, 08:31:42 am »
Hi vin.

I have 4 electric vans, we used the anchor points to bolt the frame down.

No problems.

dazmond

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Re: Electric vans, fitting tanks
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2022, 09:01:54 am »
Hi vin.

I have 4 electric vans, we used the anchor points to bolt the frame down.

No problems.

This is what I did with my frame in my diesel connect 5 years ago(they have a false floor)....👍🙂
price higher/work harder!

Perfect Windows

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Re: Electric vans, fitting tanks
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2022, 04:34:09 pm »
Hi vin.

I have 4 electric vans, we used the anchor points to bolt the frame down.

No problems.

By anchor points, are we discussing the load rings in the van floor or something more substantial?

Vin

Arnold Palmer

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Re: Electric vans, fitting tanks
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2022, 04:41:23 pm »
Hi vin.

I have 4 electric vans, we used the anchor points to bolt the frame down.

No problems.

By anchor points, are we discussing the load rings in the van floor or something more substantial?

Vin

The load rings are just bolt heads.

Ascjim

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Re: Electric vans, fitting tanks
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2022, 05:06:50 pm »
Hi vin.

I have 4 electric vans, we used the anchor points to bolt the frame down.

No problems.

By anchor points, are we discussing the load rings in the van floor or something more substantial?

Vin

The load rings are just bolt heads.

I don't think these are strong enough

NWH

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Re: Electric vans, fitting tanks
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2022, 07:20:08 pm »
Only the screws holding it in they usual put spreader plates under the van with heavy duty bolts washers and nuts.

dazmond

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Re: Electric vans, fitting tanks
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2022, 11:12:14 pm »
My local garage took out the bolt rings and screwed into the screw thread using bits of angle iron then grippatank  bolted my diesel heater to the back end of my tank frame....its not going anywhere!

Easiest solution IMO
price higher/work harder!

Matt.

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Re: Electric vans, fitting tanks
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2022, 02:42:02 pm »
Hello soupy

Am looking at the electric partner van, but like others there is so many questions with them.

What electric vans are u using, have u got them with split relays from van battery and what is ur maximum mileage per full charge.

The newer partner vans have 176 mile but in reality say 150, I cover north west so would need the 150 miles some days we’ll say about 120 would be a maximum in a day

Arnold Palmer

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Re: Electric vans, fitting tanks
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2022, 02:53:14 pm »
Hello soupy

Am looking at the electric partner van, but like others there is so many questions with them.

What electric vans are u using, have u got them with split relays from van battery and what is ur maximum mileage per full charge.

The newer partner vans have 176 mile but in reality say 150, I cover north west so would need the 150 miles some days we’ll say about 120 would be a maximum in a day

They are eVitos, 3 are 80 mile range, 1 is 150

I cover NE Scotland the 80 mile ones - we had to modify rounds to suit, the 150 one can do almost any of our rounds.

We just hooked the pump straight onto the vehicle battery (instruments not the main drive battery) been running 8 months now no issues. The battery in the Merc is a standard van battery but with no starter to run it's oversized anyway.

M.c.s

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Re: Electric vans, fitting tanks
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2022, 06:19:43 pm »
I have an  env200 nissan

 I have a ,350 ltre tank in the back with a reelmast er on top the batteries are underneath the bulkhead  half way down the van

The tank is at the rear bolted through the floor just enough room to fit

Hope this helps

windowswashed

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Re: Electric vans, fitting tanks
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2022, 09:52:59 pm »
The tests manufacturers issue are   set in 23 degrees on perfectly flat road conditions which don't exist. It is estimated that you  take off 20-25 percent for realistic figures in ideal conditions.

Outside of 23 degrees perfect temperature for batteries, the mileage will deterioriate, i.e  UK cold temperatures and excessive heat, steep inclines, lights on, heating on, defrosting the windscreen, the list goes on.

I'm just grateful I will be retired before I need to replace it with an EV.

Arnold Palmer

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Re: Electric vans, fitting tanks
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2022, 06:57:21 am »
The tests manufacturers issue are   set in 23 degrees on perfectly flat road conditions which don't exist. It is estimated that you  take off 20-25 percent for realistic figures in ideal conditions.

Outside of 23 degrees perfect temperature for batteries, the mileage will deterioriate, i.e  UK cold temperatures and excessive heat, steep inclines, lights on, heating on, defrosting the windscreen, the list goes on.

I'm just grateful I will be retired before I need to replace it with an EV.

Errr kind of.

Summer is definitely better than winter (it's the element that warms the cab that is the issue) but at the moment all the vans are getting pretty much stated miles, that's loaded with water over hills etc.

Even in Scottish mid winter we weren't losing 25% though, not once we got the hang of it. Warm the van up before you unplug it and you're good to go.

High-Tower

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Re: Electric vans, fitting tanks
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2022, 07:44:21 am »

Errr kind of.

Summer is definitely better than winter (it's the element that warms the cab that is the issue) but at the moment all the vans are getting pretty much stated miles, that's loaded with water over hills etc.

Even in a Scottish mid winter we weren't losing 25% though, not once we got the hang of it. Warm the van up before you unplug it and you're good to go.

That’s interesting that you get the stated miles even fully loaded. Out of interest what vans do you have? And what size tanks do they have?

I’ve been interested in the transit custom hybrid, the 30 or so mile range would do for me a lot of the time.

Arnold Palmer

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Re: Electric vans, fitting tanks
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2022, 08:16:36 am »
eVitos 650l

I think that the reason the weight doesn't seem to matter as much as you'd expect is that the van has regenerative braking. Additional energy expended to get the weight moving is also used to harvest energy when you slow down again. Obviously that's not going to be perfect but I'm convinced it makes a big difference.

dazmond

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Re: Electric vans, fitting tanks
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2022, 09:10:15 am »
An electric van would be ideal for me as I do very little mileage.i hate the thought of having to get rid of my diesel heater though....

 ive probably got another10 years left in my present van and system

I'll probably have to fit an immersion to be able to work with hot water in an electric van
price higher/work harder!