[Smudger]

oh shock horror ! all us thick window cleaners must doff our caps and tug our forelocks to you  non-window cleaner even though its YOU who does not know his Gluteus maximus from his elbow

of course franchise can be and often are LTD - plus have to be vat when turning over 85k just like any other biz

some people love to think they are superior to everyone else...

Darran

[DJW]

Hazzah, are you still at school?

Very funny post you’ve put up regarding business for sale. Gave me a good laugh! 😂
MODDED with a bit left for context!

“Whole window cleaning company for sale -
Let me know if interested.

Who ever buys will have a healthy company with a big bright future

[Perfect Windows]

There is 2 business models.... a LTD company and a Franchise, the franchise model was made so people could deter VAT for a longer period,  no wonder all u guys are window cleaners... because u dont have a clue about things like this  Stick to cleaning windows boys.

I havent qustioned u or anything? I really do not know why you are explaining yourself on a public forum? I am  just talking in general terms of what the difference is between franchising and LTD company... I havent asked u to giv me an analysis of your business ..  a few franchises are VAT registered i understand but like i said if anyone wants to avoid paying VAT for a longer period then franchising is the way.

You still don't understand that franchising and being a limited company are completely unrelated. 

I'm glad you don't feel you're questioning but when you say  that franchising is just a way of robbing the HMRC you're making a pretty stiff accusation. All I was doing was clarifying was that your comments were utter arse-gravy, loose stool water of the highest sloppiness.

I think your business acumen is being very well demonstrated in this thread.  I understand that you're only on here to flog your business so I'll leave you alone now.

Vin

[AuRavelling79]

Hazzah, are you still at school?

Very funny post you’ve put up regarding business for sale. Gave me a good laugh! 😂

MODDED with a bit left for context!

Let me know if interested.

Who ever buys will have a healthy company with a big bright future

Thanks for the heads up. That was in 'window cleaning rounds for sale' and it's been removed from there as it is not simply 'a round' is it?

The poster can contact forum admin if he wants to sell his 'healthy company with a big bright future' in the for sale sections.

[Richard iSparkle]

Hazzah, are you still at school?

Very funny post you’ve put up regarding business for sale. Gave me a good laugh! 😂


MODDED with a bit left for context!
Let me know if interested.

Who ever buys will have a healthy company with a big bright future ...

  what a plonker

[Splash & dash]

There is 2 business models.... a LTD company and a Franchise, the franchise model was made so people could deter VAT for a longer period,  no wonder all u guys are window cleaners... because u dont have a clue about things like this  Stick to cleaning windows boys.

If any business wants to grow a fleet of vans and not pay VAT.. then franchise is the way

Franchise is just a way around of not being LIMITED  and robbing the HMRC ;-)  but its a legal way of doing it  

I've tried to be polite but this is just plain wrong.  We're limited and we're VAT registered. Being Limited and being VAT registered are utterly unrelated. You can be Limited and not VAT registered. You can be a sole trader and VAT registered.

You claim that franchising is "just a way around of ... robbing the HMRC".

Our franchisees run their own businesses. They own and run their own vans. We don't have a fleet.

We licence them to use our brand; kit out their vans; give them a great deal of help and guidance; we do all the marketing required for them to have full rounds.  In return for this and other services they pay us a royalty. If they go over the VAT limit they will have to register and pay.

We are a limited company, VAT registered, and we pay VAT on the fees paid to us. Yes, we pay it; when we went past the VAT limit we lowered the royalty percentage so the franchisees wouldn't be hit.

Tell me again how we're "robbing the HMRC". Be very careful, as it's a strikingly bold claim to make on a public forum.

Vin

I havent qustioned u or anything? I really do not know why you are explaining yourself on a public forum? I am  just talking in general terms of what the difference is between franchising and LTD company... I havent asked u to giv me an analysis of your business ..  a few franchises are VAT registered i understand but like i said if anyone wants to avoid paying VAT for a longer period then franchising is the way.

As a new member to  the forum I don’t think you will be making many friends with the comments you  are making , might pay to think before posting , and get your facts right .

[Hazzah]

There is 2 business models.... a LTD company and a Franchise, the franchise model was made so people could deter VAT for a longer period,  no wonder all u guys are window cleaners... because u dont have a clue about things like this  Stick to cleaning windows boys.

I havent qustioned u or anything? I really do not know why you are explaining yourself on a public forum? I am  just talking in general terms of what the difference is between franchising and LTD company... I havent asked u to giv me an analysis of your business ..  a few franchises are VAT registered i understand but like i said if anyone wants to avoid paying VAT for a longer period then franchising is the way.

You still don't understand that franchising and being a limited company are completely unrelated. 

I'm glad you don't feel you're questioning but when you say  that franchising is just a way of robbing the HMRC you're making a pretty stiff accusation. All I was doing was clarifying was that your comments were utter arse-gravy, loose stool water of the highest sloppiness.

I think your business acumen is being very well demonstrated in this thread.  I understand that you're only on here to flog your business so I'll leave you alone now.

Vin

U talk absolute b******s, never once have i accused u of anything , infact I havent even replied to u because if i did i would of quoted you.

 I have not accused you of anything so stop jumbling my words up. I will repeat it again… franchise is the route to take for any business wanting to deter vat payments

There is 2 business models.... a LTD company and a Franchise, the franchise model was made so people could deter VAT for a longer period,  no wonder all u guys are window cleaners... because u dont have a clue about things like this  Stick to cleaning windows boys.

If any business wants to grow a fleet of vans and not pay VAT.. then franchise is the way

Franchise is just a way around of not being LIMITED  and robbing the HMRC ;-)  but its a legal way of doing it  

I've tried to be polite but this is just plain wrong.  We're limited and we're VAT registered. Being Limited and being VAT registered are utterly unrelated. You can be Limited and not VAT registered. You can be a sole trader and VAT registered.

You claim that franchising is "just a way around of ... robbing the HMRC".

Our franchisees run their own businesses. They own and run their own vans. We don't have a fleet.

We licence them to use our brand; kit out their vans; give them a great deal of help and guidance; we do all the marketing required for them to have full rounds.  In return for this and other services they pay us a royalty. If they go over the VAT limit they will have to register and pay.

We are a limited company, VAT registered, and we pay VAT on the fees paid to us. Yes, we pay it; when we went past the VAT limit we lowered the royalty percentage so the franchisees wouldn't be hit.

Tell me again how we're "robbing the HMRC". Be very careful, as it's a strikingly bold claim to make on a public forum.

Vin

I havent qustioned u or anything? I really do not know why you are explaining yourself on a public forum? I am  just talking in general terms of what the difference is between franchising and LTD company... I havent asked u to giv me an analysis of your business ..  a few franchises are VAT registered i understand but like i said if anyone wants to avoid paying VAT for a longer period then franchising is the way.

As a new member to  the forum I don’t think you will be making many friends with the comments you  are making , might pay to think before posting , and get your facts right .

Friends? On a forum? U need to get of the computer and get outside

[AuRavelling79]

Hello Hazzah,

Your advert in window cleaning rounds has been taken down for the second time. I shall ask you again to contact forum admin if you wish to advertise.

Also your attitude on here is not the most pleasant and has already broken forum guidelines.

Furthermore may I ask which of your companies you are aiming to sell, as on Companies House there are two companies with very similar names which appear active which appear to have you listed as Director? Looking at the number of employees they don't seem to match what you have said in your deleted (but quoted in this thread) advert. Maybe I am incorrect in what I think I have found?

If you are genuine then please present your advert to Forum Admin for approval; if you try to put an advert up again without having done so and/or conduct yourself as you have done thus far under reasonable responses to your assertions your account will be banned.

If you choose to delete your own account then that is of course your prerogative.

If anything I have posted here is incorrect then please civilly explain my error(s) and I shall withdraw them.

[Splash & dash]

Oh dear he seams to have gone very quiet all of a sudden wonder why 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[Hazzah]

Hello Hazzah,

Your advert in window cleaning rounds has been taken down for the second time. I shall ask you again to contact forum admin if you wish to advertise.

Also your attitude on here is not the most pleasant and has already broken forum guidelines.

Furthermore may I ask which of your companies you are aiming to sell, as on Companies House there are two companies with very similar names which appear active which appear to have you listed as Director? Looking at the number of employees they don't seem to match what you have said in your deleted (but quoted in this thread) advert. Maybe I am incorrect in what I think I have found?

If you are genuine then please present your advert to Forum Admin for approval; if you try to put an advert up again without having done so and/or conduct yourself as you have done thus far under reasonable responses to your assertions your account will be banned.

If you choose to delete your own account then that is of course your prerogative.

If anything I have posted here is incorrect then please civilly explain my error(s) and I shall withdraw them.

This is a private and confidential sale, an opportunity not to be missed.

We are a big outfit based in the West Midlands. Will not share my company details on a public forum and also do not want to unsettle any  employees

I will only talk figures to serious buyers only
No time wasters thank you

[Hazzah]

Oh dear he seams to have gone very quiet all of a sudden wonder why 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Guy wants to ban me becos i tell him franchise is for women😂 everyone is entitled to they own opinion.

[AuRavelling79]

Oh dear he seams to have gone very quiet all of a sudden wonder why 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Guy wants to ban me becos i tell him franchise is for women😂 everyone is entitled to they own opinion.

And away you go...

[Perfect Windows]

You might choose to delete the quotes containing his advert.

I'd have expected that someone selling an £800,000 business would:

1. Be happy to pay to advertise.

2. Be polite and helpful so that people don't draw conclusions that might affect the sale.

Vin

[Smudger]

c'mon Vin - £800k - barely 800 pence I would say - he reminds me of a guy doing the same thing a while back before lockdown - that all went Pete tong as well

Darran

[tlwcs]

You might choose to delete the quotes containing his advert.

I'd have expected that someone selling an £800,000 business would:

1. Be happy to pay to advertise.

2. Be polite and helpful so that people don't draw conclusions that might affect the sale.

Vin

3. Be able to spell?
😁

[AuRavelling79]

Yep I've deleted the advert in this thread. Although "West Midlands" seems a long way from where his signing up details led to. 

[robbo333]

Oh dear he seams to have gone very quiet all of a sudden wonder why 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Guy wants to ban me becos i tell him franchise is for women😂 everyone is entitled to they own opinion.

This is wrong on every level!
I genuinely feel sorry for anyone who works with him...or for him!

[Stoots]

How does franchising rob HMRC ? if anything the opposite is true, you could have 10 franchisees all turning over unlimited amounts and all paying taxes and possibly VAT

Ltd company or franchise ? really so can a sole trader not franchise ?

Wouldnt be buying a business of this daft lad 

[jay moley]

I don’t think you can judge that really - I’m sure in theory you can make 100k by year 3 - after all look at  those on here - doing 4 hour days and working 3 maybe 4 day weeks for 70k a year - apply that to doing say a 39 hour week then anything is possible …

Some people are more motivated than others - if you get 3 franchises up and running the skys the limit

Whether in reality it can be done is another matter ….

Darran

Is anyone really earning £70k a year doing 4 hours - 3/4 days a week?

If so what the hell are they doing? I need to know!

[Spruce]

I don’t think you can judge that really - I’m sure in theory you can make 100k by year 3 - after all look at  those on here - doing 4 hour days and working 3 maybe 4 day weeks for 70k a year - apply that to doing say a 39 hour week then anything is possible …

Some people are more motivated than others - if you get 3 franchises up and running the skys the limit

Whether in reality it can be done is another matter ….

Darran

Is anyone really earning £70k a year doing 4 hours - 3/4 days a week?

If so what the hell are they doing? I need to know!

Could be they are a lot younger than we are.