[Splash & dash]

thats where Im having trouble Richard - how are they full time hours ? when you pay only a  % or work not an hourly rate please explain...

Darran

Yes I get what you are saying I pay staff  an hourly rate plus a bonus at the end of the month if certain targets are met and no call backs , this isn’t done on a %  of money earnt  but the bonus is based on a % of any extra work completed so the more extra work done the more they can earn

[Smudger]

exactly - and your hours are (example) 35 hours per week or 152 a month

I don't see how that works on percentage only  unless its zero hours ( which of course is also a permanent contract )

Darran

[Mark Dee]

exactly - and your hours are (example) 35 hours per week or 152 a month

I don't see how that works on percentage only  unless its zero hours ( which of course is also a permanent contract )

Darran

It isnt percentage only. its a basic hourly wage plus a productivity bonus.

[Splash & dash]

exactly - and your hours are (example) 35 hours per week or 152 a month

I don't see how that works on percentage only  unless its zero hours ( which of course is also a permanent contract )

Darran

Yes I agree a % of turnover only isn’t hours based ? Unless Ime missing something, maybe he knows the work will take them xx hours per week to do and that’s what he means

[Smudger]

exactly - and your hours are (example) 35 hours per week or 152 a month

I don't see how that works on percentage only  unless its zero hours ( which of course is also a permanent contract )

Darran

It isnt percentage only. its a basic hourly wage plus a productivity bonus.

no Richard pays 30% of their turnover - ( unless you can show a quote to the contrary )

Splash - quite possibly - perhaps he can have a go at clarifying it for us

Darran

[Splash & dash]

exactly - and your hours are (example) 35 hours per week or 152 a month

I don't see how that works on percentage only  unless its zero hours ( which of course is also a permanent contract )

Darran

It isnt percentage only. its a basic hourly wage plus a productivity bonus.

He hasn’t mentioned hourly rate only a % of days takings

[Richard iSparkle]

I don’t know to be honest. They have a min of £350 a day work Mon-Fri. Not sure how that works in terms of your question.  I think a zero hours contract means I’m not obliged to offer them work.

But  that’s not the case as they’re getting a set amount of work each day, for a basic rate of pay that equates to well  above full time minimum wage. 

What the specific legal definitions of it are I do not know though. I’m not an expert on contact law. I’m sure  there are plenty of jobs which are defined by responsibilities rather than set work hours though. And they aren’t all zero hour contracts

Who knows though. Maybe I’m wrong eh 🤔

[Smudger]

Yeah - ok Richard

So you have no idea what your staff are contracted to (hrs per week) ?

Darran

[Richard iSparkle]

Yeah - ok Richard

So you have no idea what your staff are contracted to (hrs per week) ?

Darran

I’ll check the contracts.

You’re literally the only person who’s asked this 🤣

[Richard iSparkle]

So…

There’sa minimum number of FT hrs set per month and a minimum take home pay based  on those hrs at min wage

When 30% is above the minimum set they earn that

But like I say or they can’t do £350 within 2 months there  aren’t going to work out for me personally

[Smudger]

so what's the contracted hours then?

Darran

[NWH]

I would say that expecting someone on their own cleaning just run of the mill work is a high expectation from you Richard if you are wanting 350 per day everyday,as for saying they can work their own hours etc lol I would think they need to be out fairly early and consistently if they are to get any bonus at all.

[NWH]

I would pay a bonus just for the reliability factor without completing every last job expected,if they are working in a town they are hard days with a fair few jobs to get done.

[Richard iSparkle]

so what's the contracted hours then?

Darran

35 hrs a week

[Mike Burd]

I would say that expecting someone on their own cleaning just run of the mill work is a high expectation from you Richard if you are wanting 350 per day everyday,as for saying they can work their own hours etc lol I would think they need to be out fairly early and consistently if they are to get any bonus at all.

£350 a day should be a doddle after a month. Maybe you need to put your prices up.

[Richard iSparkle]

I would say that expecting someone on their own cleaning just run of the mill work is a high expectation from you Richard if you are wanting 350 per day everyday,as for saying they can work their own hours etc lol I would think they need to be out fairly early and consistently if they are to get any bonus at all.

mostly they do much more than that TBH

been doing it for 10 years too so its not unrealistic

you dont have staff do you?

[Smudger]

thanks Richard - shame it took so long for you to work out how you actually employ your staff.

a bit of a strange set up personally speaking but I can see it in one way being more straight forward for you/book keeper to pay out

Darran

[Richard iSparkle]

thanks Richard - shame it took so long for you to work out how you actually employ your staff.

bit snarky that

its a forum not an employment tribunal 

[Mark Dee]

thanks Richard - shame it took so long for you to work out how you actually employ your staff.

bit snarky that

its a forum not an employment tribunal 

Your playing to a tough crowd 

[NWH]

Lol 350 I don’t need to put my prices up no m8 I’m not talking about me I’m talking about someone that’s being sent out to clean 3 bed semis or 4 bed detached estate houses at 20-23 a pop.