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zesty

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Re: Cleaning rendering
« Reply #60 on: February 13, 2022, 05:52:46 pm »
It wouldn’t be strong enough to cause any harm to a stream or river, by the time it’s hit the ground it’s nutrilised. Not to mention the fact the average house softwash is a drop in the ocean when compared to a stream/river etc.

My dad did hear of someone who killed a load of fish in a local large pond, he disgaurded a huge volume of hypo not realising it went straight into the pond.

I’ve no idea how it happened!

My old man dealt with hypo all day long as a technical manager of a local leisure Center. They used hypo for the swimming pools and leisure pools. He’s had it in his eyes and all sorts!

Ggh

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Re: Cleaning rendering
« Reply #61 on: February 13, 2022, 05:55:02 pm »
Think you require a ‘consent to discharge’ from water provider.


Guess you guys are all breaking the law.

http://forum.iosh.co.uk/posts/m735724-Bleach-down-drains

Splash & dash

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Re: Cleaning rendering
« Reply #62 on: February 13, 2022, 06:09:33 pm »
Think you require a ‘consent to discharge’ from water provider.


Guess you guys are all breaking the law.

http://forum.iosh.co.uk/posts/m735724-Bleach-down-drains



Actually before making wild  accusations you need to get your facts straight , don’t  believe all you read on a forum as we regular have discussion with both the EA and the river authorities, and the local water companies , it’s quite acceptable to let diluted hypo go into storm water drains how do you think farmers do in in milking parlours ???  It is a biodegradable product that turns into salts that are naturally found in the soil . If you google it you will also find that there are bleach lakes in America that form naturally , do you know how bleach is formed ?? I doubt it , not all  of us are damaging the  environment .

Ggh

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Re: Cleaning rendering
« Reply #63 on: February 13, 2022, 06:16:30 pm »
Think you require a ‘consent to discharge’ from water provider.


Guess you guys are all breaking the law.

http://forum.iosh.co.uk/posts/m735724-Bleach-down-drains



Actually before making wild  accusations you need to get your facts straight , don’t  believe all you read on a forum as we regular have discussion with both the EA and the river authorities, and the local water companies , it’s quite acceptable to let diluted hypo go into storm water drains how do you think farmers do in in milking parlours ???  It is a biodegradable product that turns into salts that are naturally found in the soil . If you google it you will also find that there are bleach lakes in America that form naturally , do you know how bleach is formed ?? I doubt it , not all  of us are damaging the  environment .

Not accusing you of anything, I’m sure you’ve trade effluent consent all in order. I doubt many posting here have though.

Splash & dash

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Re: Cleaning rendering
« Reply #64 on: February 13, 2022, 06:28:01 pm »
Think you require a ‘consent to discharge’ from water provider.


Guess you guys are all breaking the law.

http://forum.iosh.co.uk/posts/m735724-Bleach-down-drains



Actually before making wild  accusations you need to get your facts straight , don’t  believe all you read on a forum as we regular have discussion with both the EA and the river authorities, and the local water companies , it’s quite acceptable to let diluted hypo go into storm water drains how do you think farmers do in in milking parlours ???  It is a biodegradable product that turns into salts that are naturally found in the soil . If you google it you will also find that there are bleach lakes in America that form naturally , do you know how bleach is formed ?? I doubt it , not all  of us are damaging the  environment .

Not accusing you of anything, I’m sure you’ve trade effluent consent all in order. I doubt many posting here have though.



One of the most polluting of things in water courses is milk  it removes the oxygen from the water only needs a small amount . Bleach once diluted looses its strength very quickly and breakers down very quickly, the EA, water board , are more than happy with the risk assessments we have supplied them , we Evan do work for  English heritage , national trust and   Several other very environmentally fussy customers that allow us to use bleach on their properties. Yes bleach can be dangerous but you swim in it in a swimming pool , you eat it every time you eat salad stuff from a supermarket as all salad crops are washed in it , and in America it’s injected into meat to kill bacteria to give longer shelf life , I accept it’s very diluted firm but so is what we discharge into the water ways . I have a very large koi pond in my garden with with huge koi in it worth many thousands of pounds each I have been softwashing around it fir over 15 years and never had a problem because we use the product carefully and know what we are doing .   


Splash & dash

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Re: Cleaning rendering
« Reply #66 on: February 13, 2022, 07:10:59 pm »





https://www.netregs.org.uk/environmental-topics/permits-licences-and-exemptions/permits-and-licences-an-overview/trade-effluent-consents-and-agreements/

That’s is for northern Ireland and Scotland


On most  domestic jobs the waste water stays on the property, it’s generally only commercial that this would apply and we already have written  consent  from the  EA ,  river authorities and water board  to discharge to any surface drain .

Smudger

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Re: Cleaning rendering
« Reply #67 on: February 13, 2022, 07:15:13 pm »
interesting - and this was brought up a few years back regarding pressure washing - as in any water used to clean a drive may contain oils etc.. and therefore could be interpreted as discharging to the drain - if you really want to take it to its full conclusion even wfp requires a permit as your removing contaminants off the glass that will find its way to the drain....

The key is domestic or industrial - I would say that so little hypo is used it would be at a domestic level unless your pouring several litres neat directly into a drain - and if the customer is not connected to the sewers ?

I recently looked at a Huge job for a cooking oil recycle plant - that  industrial - in the end I passed as the hassle required to contain the waste and transport it far outweighed £££££'s I'd get for doing it (and the restless nights! in case it went wrong)

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

EandM

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Re: Cleaning rendering
« Reply #68 on: February 14, 2022, 10:14:20 am »




Looks very good but is a big place to do with a back pack 😂😂 well done

I sat the backpack by the tap and connected it to the hose reel which made life a lot easier.
The hypo was agricultural stuff, incredibly cheap and very strong.
Even with a surfactant and 30-45 minutes dwell time it needed a couple of applications - though it was extremely grubby.

There are some health and safety concerns with the use of it you're also not supposed to get into a water source.
It did do a highly effective job of restoring the render but I think I'd rather just spend my time cleaning windows.

If it gets into a stream, you’re probably killing lots of fish.

No fish were harmed during the making of this job.
Mains drainage and straight to the treatment works.

Round here, most drain into local streams that feed rivers. How many of you check where the run off is going?

Well as the property is 200 ft ASL in the middle of a town and the water treatment works is directly below it...

Ggh

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Re: Cleaning rendering
« Reply #69 on: February 14, 2022, 11:49:38 am »
You’ll require trade effluent consent then.

NWH

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Re: Cleaning rendering
« Reply #70 on: February 14, 2022, 12:54:49 pm »
You can be almost certain that nearly all people that use this domestically just let it go down the drain,the guy I know that soft washes isn’t the kind of person to let that bother him like a lot of others lol.

zesty

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Re: Cleaning rendering
« Reply #71 on: February 14, 2022, 04:51:20 pm »
You’ll require trade effluent consent then.

Are you a jobsworth?

Sodium hypochlorite poses no threat at all, it is nutrilised extremely quickly.

Stop being a H&S officer and enjoy life.


Slacky

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Re: Cleaning rendering
« Reply #72 on: February 14, 2022, 05:05:39 pm »
Ignore him. He claimed on the other side of the forum he saw Concorde take off in the middle of the pandemic from Heathrow.

zesty

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Re: Cleaning rendering
« Reply #73 on: February 14, 2022, 05:24:37 pm »
Ignore him. He claimed on the other side of the forum he saw Concorde take off in the middle of the pandemic from Heathrow.

Right….

An odd one then!

Splash & dash

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Re: Cleaning rendering
« Reply #74 on: February 14, 2022, 06:50:26 pm »
Ignore him. He claimed on the other side of the forum he saw Concorde take off in the middle of the pandemic from Heathrow.


Must be on some sort of  halusenogenic substance   😂😂😂

Ggh

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Re: Cleaning rendering
« Reply #75 on: February 15, 2022, 06:41:00 am »
You’ll require trade effluent consent then.

Are you a jobsworth?

Sodium hypochlorite poses no threat at all, it is nutrilised extremely quickly.

Stop being  a H&S officer and enjoy life.
 

Ignorance is bliss eh?

Ring up your water provider and ask them what you require for trade effluent.

You know I’m right.   ;D

zesty

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Re: Cleaning rendering
« Reply #76 on: February 15, 2022, 07:32:55 am »
You’ll require trade effluent consent then.

Are you a jobsworth?

Sodium hypochlorite poses no threat at all, it is nutrilised extremely quickly.

Stop being  a H&S officer and enjoy life.
 

Ignorance is bliss eh?

Ring up your water provider and ask them what you require for trade effluent.

You know I’m right.   ;D

I’m pretty sure the water board aren’t worried about a few softwash jobs mate.

Domestically speaking, it’s not even a consideration.

Do you ring your water company when you put bleach down the toilet?

Ggh

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Re: Cleaning rendering
« Reply #77 on: February 15, 2022, 10:08:39 am »
I’m not on mains water.

simon w

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Re: Cleaning rendering
« Reply #78 on: February 15, 2022, 02:21:36 pm »
I’m not on mains water.

I thought rats lived down the sewers 😂

Ggh

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Re: Cleaning rendering
« Reply #79 on: February 15, 2022, 02:54:50 pm »
Ignore him. He claimed on the other side of the forum he saw Concorde take off in the middle of the pandemic from Heathrow.

Stationary, not taking off.
It’s stored there apparently.
Happy to enlighten you. ;D

https://www.heritageconcorde.com/g-boab-208