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NBwcs

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Re: Immersion running cost rise
« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2021, 07:42:06 pm »
Breaking down the cost of anything in life to a daily basis is one of the oldest salemans tricks in the book, everything sounds so much more affordable if broken down into small chunks, it's not a good way to make an assessment, if you apply it universally to several products you end up paying over the odds for everything. This isn't a judgement on hot water it's a general overview of value for money for everything we buy. Like I say, one of the oldest salemans trick there is,

Except when you aren't selling anything.

If it costs £2.50 a day and makes £12. 50 a day in extra work covered then go the other way... £10.00 a day (and less tired).

Doesn't sound much. Now let's times that by 100 days and hey presto - £1,000.00!

We can all play with numbers...

Exactly. ⬆️

Not sure what your point is NWH?  ???

Expenses for window cleaning have to be put into a daily basis surely. That’s the easiest to quantify.

X amount of turnover per day
X amount of running costs per day to earn that amount.

Firstly Johnny, I've been called a few things in my life but you've crossed a line calling me NWH, don't do it again...  ;)
Secondly, the point is its about mindset, if you reduce everything to its smallest value you can lose perspective very easily, marketing firms have been doing it for years. As an example, There's a ridiculously priced brush available out there (can't for the life of me remember it's name) but it's around the £300 mark compared to usual  prices  we're used to paying ie £40.  At 300 v40 it's a no brainer for the vast majority of people, however. £300  over say 26 weeks(that's how long I tend to get from a brush) , based on working 6 days a week works out to £1.92 a day, ie you wouldn't blink an eye at that, suddenly it now looks quite reasonable, yet nothings actually changed, it's still a total rip off of a brush. As I said, it's a mind set thing, it's exactly the same price but you can talk yourself into thinking it's worth it. Much better to look at it as 300 v40 than 1.92 v 26p a day as the latter are trifling amounts and hide the real impact  of wasting £260 on brush that doesn't live up to its billing (ask NWH, he bought one).
And your right Auravelling, you can do what you like with stats to suit only if you adopt the mindset that matketing people want you to it can be potentially damaging, much better to see the whole picture and make a judgement.
None of which is a swipe at people using imersion heaters, I personally use an aquarium heater when frost is forecast, I see imersions as a fairly cheap upgrade if only used in wintery conditions, using them constantly though,..... Nah, not for a sole trader with a full round  doing maintenance cleans, I like to keep an open mind but far from being convinced on this.





Jonny 87

  • Posts: 3488
Re: Immersion running cost rise
« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2021, 07:42:36 pm »

Not sure what your point is NWH?  ???


NWH never said a word. I know he usually does, but this time he didn't  ;D

Wow your right. I must have ptsd and had a flashback from one of his posts. 😂
Vision Technician / Visual Engineer /  Vision Enhancement Operative /...........................................................OnlyUseMeWFP AkA Jonny the Windy Wesher

Jonny 87

  • Posts: 3488
Re: Immersion running cost rise
« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2021, 07:48:02 pm »
Breaking down the cost of anything in life to a daily basis is one of the oldest salemans tricks in the book, everything sounds so much more affordable if broken down into small chunks, it's not a good way to make an assessment, if you apply it universally to several products you end up paying over the odds for everything. This isn't a judgement on hot water it's a general overview of value for money for everything we buy. Like I say, one of the oldest salemans trick there is,

Except when you aren't selling anything.

If it costs £2.50 a day and makes £12. 50 a day in extra work covered then go the other way... £10.00 a day (and less tired).

Doesn't sound much. Now let's times that by 100 days and hey presto - £1,000.00!

We can all play with numbers...

Exactly. ⬆️

Not sure what your point is NWH?  ???

Expenses for window cleaning have to be put into a daily basis surely. That’s the easiest to quantify.

X amount of turnover per day
X amount of running costs per day to earn that amount.

Firstly Johnny, I've been called a few things in my life but you've crossed a line calling me NWH, don't do it again...  ;)
Secondly, the point is its about mindset, if you reduce everything to its smallest value you can lose perspective very easily, marketing firms have been doing it for years. As an example, There's a ridiculously priced brush available out there (can't for the life of me remember it's name) but it's around the £300 mark compared to usual  prices  we're used to paying ie £40.  At 300 v40 it's a no brainer for the vast majority of people, however. £300  over say 26 weeks(that's how long I tend to get from a brush) , based on working 6 days a week works out to £1.92 a day, ie you wouldn't blink an eye at that, suddenly it now looks quite reasonable, yet nothings actually changed, it's still a total rip off of a brush. As I said, it's a mind set thing, it's exactly the same price but you can talk yourself into thinking it's worth it. Much better to look at it as 300 v40 than 1.92 v 26p a day as the latter are trifling amounts and hide the real impact  of wasting £260 on brush that doesn't live up to its billing (as NWH, he bought one).
And your right Auravelling, you can do what you like with stats to suit only if you adopt the mindset that matketing people want you to it can be potentially damaging, much better to see the whole picture and make a judgement.
None of which is a swipe at people using imersion heaters, I personally use an aquarium heater when frost is forecast, I see imersions as a fairly cheap upgrade if only used in wintery conditions, using them constantly though,..... Nah, not for a sole trader with a full round  doing maintenance cleans, I like to keep an open mind but far from being convinced on this.

I sincerely apologise.  ;D


Vision Technician / Visual Engineer /  Vision Enhancement Operative /...........................................................OnlyUseMeWFP AkA Jonny the Windy Wesher

chris turner

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Re: Immersion running cost rise
« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2021, 08:11:32 pm »
As I said on another thread an immersion is waste of time anyway. Paying to have "supple" hoses that have no effect on my working day, no thanks. Add to this the rising costs of electricity it makes it even more pointless.
@Pete Thompson you wont be paying 0.12p per kWh for much longer. Every quote I had yesterday was 0.20p or higher. None of the quotes offered cheaper night time rates either. My previous rate was 0.13p so it's a bit of hike. Stealth tax maybe to pay for covid? ( Even though I swear boris said something along the lines of VAT being removed from energy Bill's when we left the EU, leading to cheaper energy for us all )::)roll ::)roll .



Price of electric is rising so the firms can make more money with all theses electric cars that are starting to appear it won’t be long before the government puts some sort of tax on it

That's exactly what I mean by stealth tax. Perhaps the government are letting the energy firms hike up prices to collect more VAT.
I find it funny when my energy provider claims to use 100% renewables but my price is going up because wholesale costs have increased. Crooks the lot of them.

Granny

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Re: Immersion running cost rise
« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2021, 06:03:32 am »
Can't see the logic supple hose and warm hands just get on with it. Use it to enable you to work when the water would freeze.
Put it on for long enough that you can circulate the warm water through the reels back to the tank then they won't freeze when laid on the frozen ground.
It only needs to be above zero.
That's it.

AuRavelling79

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Re: Immersion running cost rise
« Reply #25 on: August 19, 2021, 10:55:58 pm »
Can't see the logic supple hose and warm hands just get on with it. Use it to enable you to work when the water would freeze.
Put it on for long enough that you can circulate the warm water through the reels back to the tank then they won't freeze when laid on the frozen ground.
It only needs to be above zero.
That's it.

It needs to be at about 20 degrees in the tank to get those benefits. Not just the easy to use supple hoses but to ensure your hoses don't freeze when laying on the ground in zero or minus temperatures.

It's a game of three halves!

james peters

  • Posts: 950
Re: Immersion running cost rise
« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2021, 09:01:17 am »
I am very lucky in this regard . I live in a soft water area, so I am able to fill my tank from a hot tap , through the DI , and off I go.

AuRavelling79

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Re: Immersion running cost rise
« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2021, 02:09:31 pm »
I am very lucky in this regard . I live in a soft water area, so I am able to fill my tank from a hot tap , through the DI , and off I go.

Very nice. I have a hot tap outside and used to fill my tank when doing a cladding wash or a day of gutter cleans.

I then had a backpack and a barrel to finish off the windows.

Too much like hard work nowadays! 🤣
It's a game of three halves!