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Re: Fitting immersion heater
« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2021, 10:56:27 pm »
You could always give the old insurance company a ring and see what they say about you plugging that in overnight lol.

Or do a risk assessment and decide for myself.



He is right though it’s a modification and if not declared would void the insurance if it caught fire , Ime in the Fireservice and we do investigate  fires in vehicles if it looks at all suspicious and a full FI report is done the insurance company can and very often do  request a copy and then will not pay out , we get this all the time with boy racers modifying there cars and not declaring them just by adding alloy wheels and not telling them will result in no pay out . If you fit an immersion heater into a tank in a van you should have a  qualified electrician check it and issue a certificate stating it’s fit for purpose and safe , without this again the insurance are going to use it as a loop hole not to pay out especially  if it looks like that was the cause of the fire . On a side point years ago I was looking at putting an Emerson element in my van I spoke to a friend who is a qualified electrician and he said he wouldn’t fit it and advised against it stating they aren’t designed to be fitted in vehicles and plastic tanks . I think if ones want warm water it’s a very cheap and  easy fit just make sure it’s 100% fitted right with the correct cable and socket in the house and preferably no bigger than 2 kw .

Spot on. I've fitted four immersions to four tanks - well five if you count the one I turned on with no water in and it went "ping". I know what I am doing. (except when I forget to put water in the tank! ;D)

Let's take it a step further. You put an electric reel in your van - the electrics go bang and start a fire - what's the difference? What's the likelihood? Or your leisure battery (which isn't specifically designed for window cleaning application and nor is an aftermarket relay charging from your alternator) going bang?



There is a big difference between an electric reel taking 8 amps out of a battery to an  Emerson heater taking 2-3 kw from the mains . Our vans , systems , reels  wabasto heaters are all declared with the insurance company , they are also wired up correctly through a fuse board with the correct amp fuses fitted by a qualified electrician with supporting documentation that the insurance company have got copies of so should the worst happen Ime confidant there won’t be a problem 😂😂hopefully 😂😂😂

NWH

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Re: Fitting immersion heater
« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2021, 11:10:29 pm »
I know I’m right had this conversation with insurance myself.

Smudger

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Re: Fitting immersion heater
« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2021, 11:12:36 pm »
and Don't, forget you had this same convo with a plumber, garage mechanic, some old git you collared while walking past your van..
all of them experts in their field
Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

AuRavelling79

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Re: Fitting immersion heater
« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2021, 12:23:58 am »
You could always give the old insurance company a ring and see what they say about you plugging that in overnight lol.

Or do a risk assessment and decide for myself.



He is right though it’s a modification and if not declared would void the insurance if it caught fire , Ime in the Fireservice and we do investigate  fires in vehicles if it looks at all suspicious and a full FI report is done the insurance company can and very often do  request a copy and then will not pay out , we get this all the time with boy racers modifying there cars and not declaring them just by adding alloy wheels and not telling them will result in no pay out . If you fit an immersion heater into a tank in a van you should have a  qualified electrician check it and issue a certificate stating it’s fit for purpose and safe , without this again the insurance are going to use it as a loop hole not to pay out especially  if it looks like that was the cause of the fire . On a side point years ago I was looking at putting an Emerson element in my van I spoke to a friend who is a qualified electrician and he said he wouldn’t fit it and advised against it stating they aren’t designed to be fitted in vehicles and plastic tanks . I think if ones want warm water it’s a very cheap and  easy fit just make sure it’s 100% fitted right with the correct cable and socket in the house and preferably no bigger than 2 kw .

Spot on. I've fitted four immersions to four tanks - well five if you count the one I turned on with no water in and it went "ping". I know what I am doing. (except when I forget to put water in the tank! ;D)

Let's take it a step further. You put an electric reel in your van - the electrics go bang and start a fire - what's the difference? What's the likelihood? Or your leisure battery (which isn't specifically designed for window cleaning application and nor is an aftermarket relay charging from your alternator) going bang?



There is a big difference between an electric reel taking 8 amps out of a battery to an  Emerson heater taking 2-3 kw from the mains . Our vans , systems , reels  wabasto heaters are all declared with the insurance company , they are also wired up correctly through a fuse board with the correct amp fuses fitted by a qualified electrician with supporting documentation that the insurance company have got copies of so should the worst happen Ime confidant there won’t be a problem 😂😂hopefully 😂😂😂

Immersion not Emerson.

A fire is a fire. Whether caused by 8 amps and 12 volts or 2000w and 240 volts. (Also 8 amps)

Have you declared your pumps on board and the power they draw? If so then great. The only thing I have declared is the DIY frame I have and the 650L tank. Because that might shift in an accident.

If I set fire to my van on the drive (by putting an oil filled radiator in the back in winter, by putting a fan heater in it on thermostat setting, putting a paraffin greenhouse heater in the back then that's my lookout. )

I put in a claim for a six month old car when an employee put what he thought was an extinguished barbecue near the front bumper in his garage. He came down on the morning and found the car burnt out completely. Insurance paid up as sweet as a nut.

I assess the risk of a burnt out van - from a faulty battery - wrongly wired pumps - an immersion in the back as phenomenally low. If it happens I'll take the hit. Ten years and five tanks later I have had no problem.

Because the job was done correctly.



It's a game of three halves!

AuRavelling79

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Re: Fitting immersion heater
« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2021, 12:27:23 am »
I know I’m right had this conversation with insurance myself.

What exactly did you ask them in "this conversation", Nigel?
It's a game of three halves!

NWH

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Re: Fitting immersion heater
« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2021, 10:23:07 am »
Do you know if I remember rightly the engineers at Chernobyl knew what they were doing as well believe it or not 🤣🤣🤣

NWH

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Re: Fitting immersion heater
« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2021, 10:25:29 am »
I know I’m right had this conversation with insurance myself.

What exactly did you ask them in "this conversation", Nigel?

If that’s not a leading question into another long debate about insurance lol,call them yourself and see what they tell you it’ll be the same as long as you don’t girl thingyfoot round what you are telling them  you  will be doing.

֍Winp®oClean֍

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Re: Fitting immersion heater
« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2021, 12:31:08 pm »
and Don't, forget you had this same convo with a plumber, garage mechanic, some old git you collared while walking past your van..
all of them experts in their field
Darran

🤣🤣🤣

I've never know anyone else have such an array of expert advisors at hand for every subject known to mankind!!
Think he's on the spice again!!😬😁
Comfortably Numb!

AuRavelling79

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Re: Fitting immersion heater
« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2021, 03:46:11 pm »
I know I’m right had this conversation with insurance myself.

What exactly did you ask them in "this conversation", Nigel?

If that’s not a leading question into another long debate about insurance lol,call them yourself and see what they tell you it’ll be the same as long as you don’t girl thingyfoot round what you are telling them  you  will be doing.

Thought so. No conversation.

 ::)roll
It's a game of three halves!

NWH

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Re: Fitting immersion heater
« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2021, 03:58:52 pm »
Yeah I must wrong 😑 just give the old insurance a call m8 they’ll sort you out make sure you tell em though you will be trailing a cable outside into the van during the winter with 240v going straight into a Boss in the middle of a tank full of water next to electrics,they may even give you a discount.

AuRavelling79

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Re: Fitting immersion heater
« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2021, 05:12:34 pm »
Yeah I must wrong 😑 just give the old insurance a call m8 they’ll sort you out make sure you tell em though you will be trailing a cable outside into the van during the winter with 240v going straight into a Boss in the middle of a tank full of water next to electrics,they may even give you a discount.

Thought so. No conversation, so you want me to phone my insurer about something I am not bothered about being insured for?

I get it Nigel. You don't think an immersion is a good idea. But don't lie that you have had a conversation with an insurer about it.
It's a game of three halves!

NWH

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Re: Fitting immersion heater
« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2021, 05:41:51 pm »
No I wouldn’t lie didn’t anyone tell you pull over on the way to work flick a switch hot water in 5 minutes not 8 hrs.

AuRavelling79

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Re: Fitting immersion heater
« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2021, 06:05:51 pm »
I know I’m right had this conversation with insurance myself.

There's the lie.
It's a game of three halves!

Don Kee

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Re: Fitting immersion heater
« Reply #33 on: August 11, 2021, 06:20:44 pm »
I know I’m right had this conversation with insurance myself.

There's the lie.

Nigel has usually “had a conversation” with an expert in what ever field he’s talking about.
I don’t understand why people still humour him to be honest, I’ve never known someone to get found out so many times but still stick around…he’s got balls, I’ll give him that!
Why don't you have a quick google before making stupid comments?

NWH

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Re: Fitting immersion heater
« Reply #34 on: August 11, 2021, 06:50:15 pm »
⚽️ 🏀 🏈

chris turner

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Re: Fitting immersion heater
« Reply #35 on: August 11, 2021, 07:08:40 pm »
Don't.

As in 'Don't' listen to Chris Turner.

Just don't fit one, waste of time and not needed. Couldn't be bothered with an explanation so "don"t" seemed proportionate. Please do listen to Chris Turner who has an element fitted but who DON'T use it ( yes grammar police I know that DON'T make sense but again, seems proportionate :-* )

֍Winp®oClean֍

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Re: Fitting immersion heater
« Reply #36 on: August 11, 2021, 07:18:03 pm »
Don't.

As in 'Don't' listen to Chris Turner.

Just don't fit one, waste of time and not needed. Couldn't be bothered with an explanation so "don"t" seemed proportionate. Please do listen to Chris Turner who has an element fitted but who DON'T use it ( yes grammar police I know that DON'T make sense but again, seems proportionate :-* )

Like I said in another thread Chris, the immersion didn't serve the purpose you initially thought it would. It's not really a hot water solution but more a 'get me through winter comfortably and prevent my system from freezing' exercise. It serves that purpose perfectly and expands the window of opportunity to work in subzero temps to the same as a diesel hot water system. But, it's NOT a comparable hot water solution to diesel.
Comfortably Numb!

AuRavelling79

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Re: Fitting immersion heater
« Reply #37 on: August 11, 2021, 08:34:33 pm »
Don't.

As in 'Don't' listen to Chris Turner.

Just don't fit one, waste of time and not needed. Couldn't be bothered with an explanation so "don"t" seemed proportionate. Please do listen to Chris Turner who has an element fitted but who DON'T use it ( yes grammar police I know that DON'T make sense but again, seems proportionate :-* )

As you couldn't be bothered to give an explanation I recommend others read Winproclean's explanation.
It's a game of three halves!

NWH

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Re: Fitting immersion heater
« Reply #38 on: August 12, 2021, 12:39:11 pm »
This may give you warm winter but that’s a hell of a long time to have to be plugged into the mains for.

AuRavelling79

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Re: Fitting immersion heater
« Reply #39 on: August 12, 2021, 12:50:38 pm »
This may give you warm winter but that’s a hell of a long time to have to be plugged into the mains for.

What is?
It's a game of three halves!