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jay moley

  • Posts: 482
Re: My recent experience with employing
« Reply #60 on: August 08, 2021, 12:49:13 pm »
Would anyone be able to put up a job description I could play around with?

Or email it to me: info@lionsoflondon.co.uk

I think mine might be too short.

simon w

  • Posts: 1647
Re: My recent experience with employing
« Reply #61 on: August 08, 2021, 01:31:47 pm »
Would anyone be able to put up a job description I could play around with?

Or email it to me: info@lionsoflondon.co.uk

I think mine might be too short.

Maybe show us what you've got and we could give some advice on what needs to be added or removed

johnny bravo

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Re: My recent experience with employing
« Reply #62 on: August 08, 2021, 02:04:47 pm »
offer 2 days a week  , see how they are working .  if they want to do this work  after 4 weeks you will know  if they are worth keeping on .      i have had  new customers  from previous window cleaning companies not cleaning to a high standard that i clean .       some will end up not cleaning certain windows like side or bathroom windows . thinking they are getting away with it.
not knowing neighbours are watching ready to grass you up .       these customers are your cash cows .    id love to be able to  have someone working  with me  who i can leave to  leave a finish to the same as my level .  Some will cut corners  if they have   worked before as a window cleaner ,Cleaning to how they do it .  May not be to your standard .       
I think after 2 full days you will know if you want to keep them       Trial period      Some wont like being told they are crap at it     

NWH

  • Posts: 16952
Re: My recent experience with employing
« Reply #63 on: August 08, 2021, 02:48:41 pm »
Some people have used the pole for years and they haven’t got a clue it all depends on what type of jobs they  are doing,if they are cheap small jobs they may have been just getting away with it for as
Long as they’ve been doing it until they are told.

Dry Clean

  • Posts: 8856
Re: My recent experience with employing
« Reply #64 on: August 08, 2021, 03:47:41 pm »
Some people have used the pole for years and they haven’t got a clue it all depends on what type of jobs they  are doing,if they are cheap small jobs they may have been just getting away with it for as
Long as they’ve been doing it until they are told.

After your recent post on not being able to clean with cold I found this funny. ;D

Mike Burd

Re: My recent experience with employing
« Reply #65 on: August 08, 2021, 04:10:20 pm »
I had a period of about 5 years with virtually zero turnover. Then this year I hired and lost 4. One was stealing, one turned out to be a gambling addict and one has just been convicted of child pornography. All except one was sacked.

But it was in the period where I’d eased the reins and let someone else run day to day. Since then I’ve recruited three. Two seem good two months in and one left after two weeks. His replacement starts next week.

The key thing is a proper sit down interview questioning closely claimed work experience. We have used indeed for about two years.

But staff can be stressful like any aspect of running a business.

Stoots

  • Posts: 6211
Re: My recent experience with employing
« Reply #66 on: August 08, 2021, 04:23:30 pm »
I had a period of about 5 years with virtually zero turnover. Then this year I hired and lost 4. One was stealing, one turned out to be a gambling addict and one has just been convicted of child pornography. All except one was sacked.

But it was in the period where I’d eased the reins and let someone else run day to day. Since then I’ve recruited three. Two seem good two months in and one left after two weeks. His replacement starts next week.

The key thing is a proper sit down interview questioning closely claimed work experience. We have used indeed for about two years.

But staff can be stressful like any aspect of running a business.

Zero turnover sounds like a bad 5 years  :D


NWH

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Re: My recent experience with employing
« Reply #67 on: August 08, 2021, 05:18:40 pm »
What so he eased the reins and let someone hire 4-5 people did he or did those 5 people already work for him then he eased the reins ? Lol,people that apply for jobs window cleaning Gambling addicts and people with substance and alcohol welcome to the world of employment and window cleaning that should be 🤣.
This is nothing but old news to me I’m just waiting to hear I thought this was a job where I picked the hours so I could pick the kids up at 1 ish take a KFC or Maccy Dees home to the wife that’s on the sofa lol,honestly m8 these people are taking the great of Britain 🇬🇧 and want ironing out,this is the reality of people that you’ll get trying to work for you people talk about kissing a few frogs more like just putting up with the least ugly frog more like imo 🤣🤣🤣

NWH

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Re: My recent experience with employing
« Reply #68 on: August 08, 2021, 05:23:46 pm »
Stay small get the cream of cream work stay hassle free and earn the same as someone that takes the train to Threadneedle Street on a daily basis,999 out of a 1000 you won’t find any half sensible person that wants to get out of bed and earn you more money don’t listen to the rubbish some people spout about getting people to work for you m8 trust me you’ll end up more depressed.

jay moley

  • Posts: 482
Re: My recent experience with employing
« Reply #69 on: August 08, 2021, 05:38:42 pm »
Would anyone be able to put up a job description I could play around with?

Or email it to me: info@lionsoflondon.co.uk

I think mine might be too short.

Maybe show us what you've got and we could give some advice on what needs to be added or removed

This is what I put out. Im sure the big boys will think its a load of rubbish but maybe remember what you were like when you were inexperienced. Target earnings would be £100-£120 a day.  Would be PAYE.

Here it is:

We are looking for a full time window cleaner. We are a small family run business that cleans residential properties in Worcester Park and the surrounding areas.

No experience required as full training will be provided.

You must have a full UK driving licence as driving is part of there job.

You will need to be hardworking, punctual, self motivated, diligent and have good customer service skills.

You will be guaranteed a daily wage of £72 (£9 per hour) a day but can earn more each day based on your performance. Details will be explained if your application is responded to.

If you are interested please send us your CV and a brief covering letter.

Job Types: Full-time, Permanent

G Griffin

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Re: My recent experience with employing
« Reply #70 on: August 08, 2021, 05:57:43 pm »
Would anyone be able to put up a job description I could play around with?

Or email it to me: info@lionsoflondon.co.uk

I think mine might be too short.

Maybe show us what you've got and we could give some advice on what needs to be added or removed

This is what I put out. Im sure the big boys will think its a load of rubbish but maybe remember what you were like when you were inexperienced. Target earnings would be £100-£120 a day.  Would be PAYE.

Here it is:

We are looking for a full time window cleaner. We are a small family run business that cleans residential properties in Worcester Park and the surrounding areas.

No experience required as full training will be provided.

You must have a full UK driving licence as driving is part of there job.

You will need to be hardworking, punctual, self motivated, diligent and have good customer service skills.

You will be guaranteed a daily wage of £72 (£9 per hour) a day but can earn more each day based on your performance. Details will be explained if your application is responded to.

If you are interested please send us your CV and a brief covering letter.

Job Types: Full-time, Permanent
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Smudger

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Re: My recent experience with employing
« Reply #71 on: August 08, 2021, 06:23:22 pm »
offer 2 days a week  , see how they are working .  if they want to do this work  after 4 weeks you will know  if they are worth keeping on .      i have had  new customers  from previous window cleaning companies not cleaning to a high standard that i clean .       some will end up not cleaning certain windows like side or bathroom windows . thinking they are getting away with it.
not knowing neighbours are watching ready to grass you up .       these customers are your cash cows .    id love to be able to  have someone working  with me  who i can leave to  leave a finish to the same as my level .  Some will cut corners  if they have   worked before as a window cleaner ,Cleaning to how they do it .  May not be to your standard .       
I think after 2 full days you will know if you want to keep them       Trial period      Some wont like being told they are crap at it   

What sort of dedicated person are you going to get for 2 days a week - really try thinking from the employees point of view - if you rent/mortgage + kids your not going to risk it on 2 days a week, or some 1 week silly trial - some of seem scared to offer a decent package.

Simon- yes I understand Bristol is more than likely 15x the area I work in

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

NWH

  • Posts: 16952
Re: My recent experience with employing
« Reply #72 on: August 08, 2021, 06:25:17 pm »
Believe it or not the above type as I describe although they don’t have a pot to P**s in will think I’m not working for that and they will be thinking lol,you’d be better off looking around for someone that knows a hardworking person that needs a chance.
In my experience an advert for a window cleaner attracts the dross of society that think it’s money for very little work about 5 hours a day,like I’ve said don’t think an advert is always the way to go people that have had success this way have been very lucky.

Slacky

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Re: My recent experience with employing
« Reply #73 on: August 08, 2021, 06:25:36 pm »
Some people have used the pole for years and they haven’t got a clue it all depends on what type of jobs they  are doing,if they are cheap small jobs they may have been just getting away with it for as
Long as they’ve been doing it until they are told.

After your recent post on not being able to clean with cold I found this funny. ;D

Exactly. Some can’t clean a piece of glass with cold water. Imagine that!

Smudger

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Re: My recent experience with employing
« Reply #74 on: August 08, 2021, 06:27:02 pm »
Some people have used the pole for years and they haven’t got a clue it all depends on what type of jobs they  are doing,if they are cheap small jobs they may have been just getting away with it for as
Long as they’ve been doing it until they are told.

After your recent post on not being able to clean with cold I found this funny. ;D

Exactly. Some can’t clean a piece of glass with cold water. Imagine that!

 ;D
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

NWH

  • Posts: 16952
Re: My recent experience with employing
« Reply #75 on: August 08, 2021, 06:32:59 pm »
Depression and window cleaning comes with employing most of the time,you choose the hours you work you choose how much you want to charge.
If you are feeling depressed I wouldn’t say employing is the way to go at this time,people I’ve had in the past have ended  up trying to make their problems mine is that what you want at the moment.
If truth be told the so called big employers on here have had nothing but ball ache and it’ll mostly be from people that work for them,the actual window cleaning side is the simple bit you are replicating 1 route of work in the same or another area x1x2x3 and so on.

Smudger

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Re: My recent experience with employing
« Reply #76 on: August 08, 2021, 06:33:44 pm »
Jay - that's not an overly bad advert - a bit confusing maybe

Full time - so what is full time? ( 30 hrs, 35 hrs, 48 hrs )

£9 an hour is minimum wage - how does that compare generally in your area ( here 60% of jobs are not only minimum wage but also seasonal - but I still offer over minimum )

Also it looks like your stuck on £9 p/h - I would change it to -initially £9 p/h while training ( 1 month ) with OTE rising to £10.50 (or whatever)

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

NWH

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Re: My recent experience with employing
« Reply #77 on: August 08, 2021, 06:38:18 pm »
Forget the money side of it if you get the wrong type of people it won’t matter what you pay them,most window cleaners I know that work for people have only stopped swinging in the trees in the last year 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Stoots

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Re: My recent experience with employing
« Reply #78 on: August 08, 2021, 06:38:31 pm »
This is a great video about employees and creating a company they want to work for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d1BBA-DhbY

NWH

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Re: My recent experience with employing
« Reply #79 on: August 08, 2021, 06:47:22 pm »
Yeah but building the business with employees is the depressing bit and at this moment he’s feeling depressed so is employing a good move,I wouldn’t be advising someone that’s depressed to be voluntarily taking on more hassle would you.