[cgh window cleaning]

When I purchased my first Grippa Tank system about 8 years ago I had Grippa bring a demo van out to one of the sites I clean.

My work is all commercial most monthly maintenance cleans.

I was in two minds to go hot or cold.The job they came out to was a regular monthly job.I demoed and cleaned some with cold and then another part with hot.

As nice as the hot system was it made no difference what so ever to speed or ease of cleaning or end result. The frost stat setting was a nice feature but for anything else for me it was just a very expensive pair of gloves.

[jonboywalton75]

Never used hot,
I think it's a placebo.
I bought A turntable, i have a £600 streamer  that is more efficient and can play 70 million tracks.
I've spent £2500.00 on vinyl during lockdown.
Is vinyl BETTER, Noooooo



Its A PLACEBO!!!!
OR Snake oil whichever  metaphor u prefer 🙄

[NWH]

Never used hot,
I think it's a placebo.
I bought A turntable, i have a £600 streamer  that is more efficient and can play 70 million tracks.
I've spent £2500.00 on vinyl during lockdown.
Is vinyl BETTER, Noooooo



Its A PLACEBO!!!!
OR Snake oil whichever  metaphor u prefer 🙄

Lol.

[Dry Clean]

any cold water wfp window cleaner who thinks removing insect spots,snail trails,bird muck on frames,etc is just as easy as using very hot water obviously has never used hot water for cleaning....it makes the job easier...just like xtreme poles and electric reels do....every little helps......

We're all barking, raving loonies daz. You and NWH are the only normal, sane people on here.

[NBwcs]

any cold water wfp window cleaner who thinks removing insect spots,snail trails,bird muck on frames,etc is just as easy as using very hot water obviously has never used hot water for cleaning....it makes the job easier...just like xtreme poles) and electric reels do, ...every little helps......

Always makes me laugh when I read about about people banging on about electric hose reels. I can honestly say that in  14yrs of reeling in hoses, I have only ever felt it hard work once, (and I'm no popeye) and that was the day after my 1st covid jab, I had to stop 3 times and knew it was time to go home. I don't use anything special, just the streamline blue hose reel. It's particularly funny coming from you Daz who goes to the bother of saving himself the tiny effort of reeling in a hose then goes down the gym and no doubt lifts heavy weights. 

[Dry Clean]

Never used hot,
I think it's a placebo.
I bought A turntable, i have a £600 streamer  that is more efficient and can play 70 million tracks.
I've spent £2500.00 on vinyl during lockdown.
Is vinyl BETTER, Noooooo



Its A PLACEBO!!!!
OR Snake oil whichever  metaphor u prefer 🙄

You've convinced me, no customer complaints and can clean as quickly as the hot users on here but if hot isn't a placebo then I must need it, you couldn't make it up.

[Dry Clean]

any cold water wfp window cleaner who thinks removing insect spots,snail trails,bird muck on frames,etc is just as easy as using very hot water obviously has never used hot water for cleaning....it makes the job easier...just like xtreme poles) ....every little helps......

Always makes me laugh when I read about about people banging on about electric hose reels. I can honestly say that in  14yrs of reeling in hoses, I have only ever felt it hard work once, and that was the day after my 1st covid jab, I had to stop 3 times and knew it was time to go home. I don't use anything special, just the streamline blue hose reel. It's particularly funny coming from you Daz who goes to the bother of saving himself the tiny effort of reeling in a hose then goes down the gym and no doubt lifts heavy weights. 

To be fair an electric reel does serve a purpose so its up to the person if they find the cost worth it, even using hot may benefit somebody working on the coast or in heavily wooded areas its just that most of the guys who bang on about hot on here do neither, this is why they have to invent nonsense to justify their spend.

[NWH]

any cold water wfp window cleaner who thinks removing insect spots,snail trails,bird muck on frames,etc is just as easy as using very hot water obviously has never used hot water for cleaning....it makes the job easier...just like xtreme poles) and electric reels do, ...every little helps......

Always makes me laugh when I read about about people banging on about electric hose reels. I can honestly say that in  14yrs of reeling in hoses, I have only ever felt it hard work once, (and I'm no popeye) and that was the day after my 1st covid jab, I had to stop 3 times and knew it was time to go home. I don't use anything special, just the streamline blue hose reel. It's particularly funny coming from you Daz who goes to the bother of saving himself the tiny effort of reeling in a hose then goes down the gym and no doubt lifts heavy weights. 

And after 15 years all of a sudden you might develop pain and wear in an area of your body ie lower back shoulder joint that you didn’t realise was being damaged from reeling in a piece of rubber every day,but like smoking you don’t think about it until you need a spittoon and can’t breath.

[NBwcs]

any cold water wfp window cleaner who thinks removing insect spots,snail trails,bird muck on frames,etc is just as easy as using very hot water obviously has never used hot water for cleaning....it makes the job easier...just like xtreme poles) and electric reels do, ...every little helps......

Always makes me laugh when I read about about people banging on about electric hose reels. I can honestly say that in  14yrs of reeling in hoses, I have only ever felt it hard work once, (and I'm no popeye) and that was the day after my 1st covid jab, I had to stop 3 times and knew it was time to go home. I don't use anything special, just the streamline blue hose reel. It's particularly funny coming from you Daz who goes to the bother of saving himself the tiny effort of reeling in a hose then goes down the gym and no doubt lifts heavy weights. 

And after 15 years all of a sudden you might develop pain and wear in an area of your body ie lower back shoulder joint that you didn’t realise was being damaged from reeling in a piece of rubber every day,but like smoking you don’t think about it until you need a spittoon and can’t breath.

You could equally argue that the very mild workout from reeling in does you good, certainly less potential for injury than going down the gym. Aslong as the hose is free from snagging, you use a wet cloth in your left hand and don't go reeling in at a mad speed and use a decent hose reel, then it's very manageable. The big threat to repetative injury in this job comes from poling itself. Some people just feel they have to spend money. Spend it on a light pole if it's burning a hole in your pocket, you'll get far more benefit from it.

[Granny]

I'm 66 yrs old and weigh about 10 stone I lift the reels in and hand wind them in, it doesn't bother me at all.
My missus who works with me and is 60 yrs old does the same without any trouble.
I find that bending down to reel in keeps you flexible, a lot or people my age can't squat low on their knees and lift them selves up without any bother.
It strengthens your spine and your legs it is like a workout after a day on the windows.
Better than driving to the gym to pedal on a machine or run on a treadmill why not just go for a run or a bike ride?
Making your life as easy and effortless as can be does not always pay off in the long run.
Just wait for the chickens to come home to roost with all these obese youngsters on electric bikes and scooters.
They are building up big problems for themselves as they advance in years.
Although to be fair we don't work as much as some of you on here.

[NWH]

Reeling in isn’t an issue for most people try reeling all hose out to the drum on most jobs and then having to reel it in everytime,why do it lol you wouldn’t get the bus unless you had to would you I don’t know maybe you would you can give people advise till your blue in the face,are people that are  saying manual reeling is better have they had an electric reel ? are people that say hot water is pointless again have they had a hot water system I think you’ll find most haven’t.

[Dry Clean]

Reeling in isn’t an issue for most people try reeling all hose out to the drum on most jobs and then having to reel it in everytime,why do it lol you wouldn’t get the bus unless you had to would you I don’t know maybe you would you can give people advise till your blue in the face,are people that are  saying manual reeling is better have they had an electric reel ? are people that say hot water is pointless again have they had a hot water system I think you’ll find most haven’t.

More nonsense, there's a full post above by a person who used a hot water system telling you it made no difference, fact is most who say it is pointless have used it at one time or another, you use this same excuse every time a hot post comes on but never listen to the answer, time to bring out the green eyed monster as that's usually next on your list.

[Smudger]

Sorry Nigel - you just never listen to the other side of the debate -  nearly everyone says there is an advantage to hot - it varies on the type of work you do etc and probably how you actually clean windows on how beneficial it is - one big issue is that it’s not worth 5k plus ongoing costs for 99% on window cleaners

And I will add - the guys are not fussed with electric reels either they prefer to reel in manually…

Darran

[the king]

Ive gone from electric reels to manual and its more reliable no chain coming off hose getting trapped every 5 minits  i find it easy reeling in 50m or less witch is 90 percent of my work.  I have hot water but only use it when im in a bee pollen area or on sea front as using it for everything waste of money

[combat1]

Here goes!
I spent under £200, Heatrod element, wiring, temp sensor in side of tank and a temp gauge on my control panel.
Costs me about £5 to run. 60/65 in tank temp,
35 ish at the brush head.
For me it’s great and that’s all that matters to me.
I don’t use it everyday but I quite often get first cleans and March Out cleans .
Performance wise I prefer it.
I use a flocked brush and the combination works really well on frames, snail trails etc.
One thing I did was to reduce my length of hose.
I never used anywhere near what was on my reel, I currently have just one job where I need to quickly attach my extension hose.
There were two benefits to doing this, easier reeling in and less strain on the reel and greater temperature at the brush head.
Boring I know!! Tanks insulated with 50mm polystyrene and still got good temp at finish time.
But cold does fine!

[Smudger]

Here goes!
I spent under £200, Heatrod element, wiring, temp sensor in side of tank and a temp gauge on my control panel.
Costs me about £5 to run. 60/65 in tank temp,
35 ish at the brush head.
For me it’s great and that’s all that matters to me.
I don’t use it everyday but I quite often get first cleans and March Out cleans .
Performance wise I prefer it.
I use a flocked brush and the combination works really well on frames, snail trails etc.
One thing I did was to reduce my length of hose.
I never used anywhere near what was on my reel, I currently have just one job where I need to quickly attach my extension hose.
There were two benefits to doing this, easier reeling in and less strain on the reel and greater temperature at the brush head.
Boring I know!! Tanks insulated with 50mm polystyrene and still got good temp at finish time.
But cold does fine!

Great post - very sensible and fair comments and all for £200
Darran

[KS Cleaning]

Reeling in isn’t an issue for most people try reeling all hose out to the drum on most jobs and then having to reel it in everytime,why do it lol you wouldn’t get the bus unless you had to would you I don’t know maybe you would you can give people advise till your blue in the face,are people that are  saying manual reeling is better have they had an electric reel ? are people that say hot water is pointless again have they had a hot water system I think you’ll find most haven’t.

Shouldn’t be a problem for you tho Nigel, don’t you only clean 4 or 5 mansions per day?

[NWH]

Yeah an average of 5-6 got my Audi KS let me know when you’ve turned down the bed for me 😉

[dazmond]

ive been using cold water during the heatwave up until monday this week.....its nowhere near as easy to scrub the dirt off....lots of bird muck on frames/glass and little yellow insect spots galore as lots of work im cleaning this week is right next to farmers fields....

[Slacky]

ive been using cold water during the heatwave up until monday this week.....its nowhere near as easy to scrub the dirt off

You need to man-up then ya big poofter!