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[NWH]

You just need confidence with cold so I spray a bit of chemical degreaser on the windows first eh 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[chris turner]

Its made by merlin, called extra heavy duty cleaner/degreaser. I get it from a local cleaning supplier.
I use a normal spray bottle or if I'm carrying other bits I use the unger spray bottle belt attachment.

The point i was trying to make with my original post is that for anyone thinking of going hot, try other things first because its really not all its cracked up to be.
As I said working an 8 weekly schedule, which I'm also often behind so it can be 9 or 10 weeks, windows get very dirty to the point that cold alone just doesn't do it. Chemicals are not for everyone, I know some like to splash and dash but with such big gaps between cleans I can't splash and dash as the windows are too dirty.
Chemicals speed up the process for me and from my experience over the past few months do a better job then hot without all the faff and expense of using hot.

[Splash & dash]

Its made by merlin, called extra heavy duty cleaner/degreaser. I get it from a local cleaning supplier.
I use a normal spray bottle or if I'm carrying other bits I use the unger spray bottle belt attachment.

The point i was trying to make with my original post is that for anyone thinking of going hot, try other things first because its really not all its cracked up to be.
As I said working an 8 weekly schedule, which I'm also often behind so it can be 9 or 10 weeks, windows get very dirty to the point that cold alone just doesn't do it. Chemicals are not for everyone, I know some like to splash and dash but with such big gaps between cleans I can't splash and dash as the windows are too dirty.
Chemicals speed up the process for me and from my experience over the past few months do a better job then hot without all the faff and expense of using hot.

Each to there own but I started with hot in one van and the difference was so noticeable  I now have it in all my vans I certainly wouldn’t have spent  what I have if  there was little or no advantage , it saves us huge amounts of time on some jobs 50%   saving ,  we do  however do a lot of very salty costal stuff , we use hot all year round and adjust the temperature as required .

[NWH]

So cold on its own is not as good as hot which ever way you are putting it across your opinion Chris is if you use cold you need chemicals to get the same results as hot water,if all the work you do is a 4 weekly- monthly flash over the glass then maybe but for longer durations between cleans then I don’t.
If you do anything near the coast I would say hot water is a must.

[zesty]

Also not bothered by hot, makes absolutely no difference to my working day what so ever.

Each to their own.

[AuRavelling79]

In general terms I don't think chems is needed for my work.

However I have a few jobs with triple and quadrupled patio/bifold doors with multiple snail trails - bee and spider poo - in spring/summer - I shall put a bottle in the van.

[chris turner]

So cold on its own is not as good as hot which ever way you are putting it across your opinion Chris is if you use cold you need chemicals to get the same results as hot water,if all the work you do is a 4 weekly- monthly flash over the glass then maybe but for longer durations between cleans then I don’t.
If you do anything near the coast I would say hot water is a must.

I would agree that if you live right on the coast that hot would be worthwhile, heat dissolves salt much easier. I don't live on the coast though.
Hot is slightly better then cold, I have said that and I'm not debating that, its just that using chemicals is better then hot and its cheaper. Using chemicals and hot together are absolutely amazing for big fascia cleans etc so its good to have that option. For general day to day window cleaning, cold and chemicals beats hot easily.

[Jay Le Huray]

I have always used cold, never felt the need for hot water as cold does what I want it to do

[Stoots]

Chems are great on first cleans but on maintenance it would waste more time than it saves. 

[zesty]

Chems are great on first cleans but on maintenance it would waste more time than it saves.

Quite often I don’t even use chems on gutters/fascias cleans. I find cold water does it just as well.

I do somtimes give them a light softwash first.

To be honest by the time I’ve faffed about spraying Chems about and setting it all up, I could be half way through the job with just water.

I definitely think window cleaners have a tendency to over complicate things.

Recently just fisnhed a massive complex of houses and apartments. Render, facias, soffits and windows. We didn’t use any chems on the facias/soffits and found cold water did the job with ease.

Obviously it depends how bad they are, but to be honest, even then, good old water will almost always work. Being that gutters are plastic, they usually clean up very easily.

[chris turner]

As I said its the long frequency between cleans that means windows are dirtier.
I don't use chemicals on every window, if its not to bad I crack on and clean as usual. I do alot of houses in leafy suburbs that I find are always covered in cobwebs, snail trails, fly poop etc and cold isn't hugely affective unless scrubbing the hell out of them. Chemicals cuts the scrubbing down massively and leaves a better finish, so I always carry a spray bottle on me.

[robbo333]

Thanks for the info Chris.

[Dry Clean]

I have always used cold, never felt the need for hot water as cold does what I want it to do

That's it in a nutshell Jay, I was one of the first wfp'ers in my area, back then it was the trad guys who were saying cold water wont clean windows, I suspect its those same guys now converted who still have it in their heads that it doesn't work, as long as its not my money they're wasting then good luck to them.

[Dry Clean]

There's no real need to use purified water on fascia's and so on, if possible use the customers tap water , that extra pressure makes all the difference.

[zesty]

There's no real need to use purified water on fascia's and so on, if possible use the customers tap water , that extra pressure makes all the difference.

There’s no reason at all, I always use customers water for facias etc, it’s a complete waste of pure if using it on gutters etc.

[dazmond]

There's no real need to use purified water on fascia's and so on, if possible use the customers tap water , that extra pressure makes all the difference.

Not if the customers tap water is chalky...where I work the tap water is mixed with bore hole water and makes a right mess of the glass so pure only on plastics too....

[dazmond]

The little yellow fly spots that you get on the windows at this time of year takes ages to come off with cold if their on upper windows...baked on bird muck too.....

Hot for me all year round helps me splash and dash all my work whether its 4/6/8/12 weekly or once or twice a year....I virtually never use chemicals unless its egg on the windows or a very dirty plastics clean....

[zesty]

There's no real need to use purified water on fascia's and so on, if possible use the customers tap water , that extra pressure makes all the difference.

Not if the customers tap water is chalky...where I work the tap water is mixed with bore hole water and makes a right mess of the glass so pure only on plastics too....

Daz why on Earth would normal tap water make any difference to gutters or facias? I live in the second hardest water area in the whole country, and can tell you categorically it makes absolutely no difference. Why would it? It’s not a see through object. It’s plastic facias and gutters.

Of course you use pure for windows, isn’t that completely obvious? We’re windowscleaners, if we aren’t using pure for windows then there’s a problem between ones ears.

[Splash & dash]

There's no real need to use purified water on fascia's and so on, if possible use the customers tap water , that extra pressure makes all the difference.

Not if the customers tap water is chalky...where I work the tap water is mixed with bore hole water and makes a right mess of the glass so pure only on plastics too....

Using Tap water in a hard water area on plastics can result in lime scale marks on the plastic and windows ware it runs down and splashes  on them , we use pure  for everything after I contaminated a conservatory roof  doing what you are suggesting never again 😬😬😬
Daz why on Earth would normal tap water make any difference to gutters or facias? I live in the second hardest water area in the whole country, and can tell you categorically it makes absolutely no difference. Why would it? It’s not a see through object. It’s plastic facias and gutters.

Of course you use pure for windows, isn’t that completely obvious? We’re windowscleaners, if we aren’t using pure for windows then there’s a problem between ones ears.