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Spruce

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Re: Battery charging.
« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2021, 07:22:18 pm »
It’s amazing to hear how many people charge their batteries overnight.

I have a ctek smart pass charger in the van (this one : https://www.12voltplanet.co.uk/ctek-smartpass-120s-power-management-system.html )

I’ve never once mains charged my leisure battery,  it’s been perfectly fine for 3 and a half years.

I’m curious to know if my use is unusual and this is why I’ve never needed to.

I run a normal aquatec pump with analogue pump controller (I like a good strong flow), and a waterworks 3D electric hose reel. I drive about 30 miles on average per work day. I work 4 and a half days every week, and use about 500 litres per day.

How does this compare?
It compares very  well but I'd rather have £230 in the bank!
It takes seconds to clip the leads on the battery and switch it on.

Again, this could be down to each cleaner's circumstances. Some can only park their vans on the street, and sometimes it might be in the next block.  That would make bench charging very difficult.

IMHO there aren't many cleaners who can rely on the van's charging system to replenish the charge in the leisure battery. Pete Thompson drives around 30 miles a day which is a massive plus for his battery charging. If he regularly gets caught in traffic jams then that helps as well, as the idling engine will continue to charge his battery at the same rate it does when he is driving.

I have a Sterling Battery to battery charger. I took 6.5amps from my battery today. When I started my engine at the end of the day my alternator was pumping 27 amps into the battery.  My drive home was less than 1/2 a mile. By the time I got home, my battery was accepting a charge of 8 amps. Tomorrow it's the same again. If I do this too often, my battery will eventually be flat, as I will be taking more out of it than putting it back.

As my battery gets lower in charge, it will accept a higher charge rate from the alternator for a long period of time. However, Numax tell us that you should 'trickle charge' a leisure battery. According to them, your rate of charge shouldn't be more than 10% of the battery's capacity for battery longevity. This means my 105amp battery shouldn't be charged higher than 10 amps.

The closer a lead acid battery gets to full charge, the lower the rate of charge it will accept. You can boost that rate of charge a little by increasing the charge voltage, but a sealed lead acid battery shouldn't be charged by more than 14.2v. A flooded Leisure battery can be charged at 14.6v.

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NWH

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Re: Battery charging.
« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2021, 09:15:58 pm »
If you run a water diesel heater you need to charge them every other day at least.

Splash & dash

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Re: Battery charging.
« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2021, 09:20:40 pm »
If you run a water diesel heater you need to charge them every other day at least.



All depends what amp hour batteries you have and how long it’s running each day , that will determine how often they need charging , but it’s good practice to charge them every day with a smart charger .

Granny

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Re: Battery charging.
« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2021, 08:11:23 am »
I've got a 115 ah lead acid leisure battery I charge it every time after working.
I used to use a 4Amp charger and it used to take all night and sometime not fully charged for the next day.
It failed so I got a 12 Amp charger I couldn't believe the difference now it's charged in about half an hour.

Spruce

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Re: Battery charging.
« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2021, 02:30:49 pm »
I've got a 115 ah lead acid leisure battery I charge it every time after working.
I used to use a 4Amp charger and it used to take all night and sometime not fully charged for the next day.
It failed so I got a 12 Amp charger I couldn't believe the difference now it's charged in about half an hour.

Even smart/intelligent battery chargers for bench charging are designed to 'cover all bases.'  My Numax smart charger will only charge at 13.9v. This is the same charge voltage as my Peugeot Boxer's alternator. My previous Citroen Relay charged the starter battery at 14.6v. The starter battery for that van was in under the bonnet, where my Boxer van has the battery in the driver's cabin. There is less chance of the battery gassing at a lower charge voltage.

As I have a maintenance free leisure battery, I can set my Battery to Battery charger to boost that charge voltage to 14.2v or even 14.6 for a flooded leisure battery. So my B2B Sterling charger will charge my leisure battery quicker than my smart charger would.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Granny

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Re: Battery charging.
« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2021, 11:07:47 am »
Smart / intelligent chargers are sometimes just a bit too smart.
I left the radio on when I went away for a few days.
Tried to charge it with a smart charger - nothing happened it wouldn't light up at all.
Checked the bumpf and it said "If battery is 40% charged or less this charger is not able to re-charge."
Fortunately I have an old  "simple" battery charger so I put that on for a couple of hours then switched to the smart charger and it worked.
It's been running for a couple of years since with no problem.