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South coast con

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Cost of starting up…
« on: June 27, 2021, 09:20:57 am »
So, I’m finally going to start making the jump in august while continuing in my night shift job 3 nights a week.. I am super excited!

I was just wondering if someone could give some rough figures on the below please… I know this may vary a lot, but just so I have an idea.

All based on a single operator

Insurance ( van and PI )
Water if buying ( I don’t have any means of producing my self sadly )


Also, I have read literally hundreds of pages here…

But can anybody advise on a decent trolley to start with? I think this is the best option before going for a singing and dancing van mount system?

I’m in the process of selling my car, and will be using the money from that, plus about another 2k towards a van. So will 5k get me a half decent van that will last a year or 2?

Finally, if anybody is willing to let me join them
For a day or 2 over the next week please let me know.

I’m in Southampton, but willing to travel if an offer comes up? Il buy the coffee…

Thanks

Smudger

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Re: Cost of starting up…
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2021, 10:30:29 am »
welcome - and good luck,

i don't want to rain on your parade but before taking the leap into window cleaning and spending money - go canvassing and see if you can get customers and then service them - in the beginning you can quite easily trad until you have built up 30 or 40 customers - then look to spend money on equipment

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

South coast con

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Re: Cost of starting up…
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2021, 10:54:14 am »
welcome - and good luck,

i don't want to rain on your parade but before taking the leap into window cleaning and spending money - go canvassing and see if you can get customers and then service them - in the beginning you can quite easily trad until you have built up 30 or 40 customers - then look to spend money on equipment

Darran

Hi Darren,

Thanks for the advice! Really appreciate it! Especially from
Someone who’s been there and done it with a good fleet out now!

Thanks,

Connor

Dry Clean

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Re: Cost of starting up…
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2021, 10:57:27 am »
I wonder if the hundreds of pages you read on here were about earnings,  ;D a dislike of canvassing, not getting enough work or more importantly good paying work, dealing with customers especially messers, these are only some of the reasons why so many/most fail in this game,  as Darren said try starting with a bit of trad work just to see if the job is all you expect it to be before investing in the more expensive equipment.

South coast con

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Re: Cost of starting up…
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2021, 11:07:57 am »
I wonder if the hundreds of pages you read on here were about earnings,  ;D a dislike of canvassing, not getting enough work or more importantly good paying work, dealing with customers especially messers, these are only some of the reasons why so many/most fail in this game,  as Darren said try starting with a bit of trad work just to see if the job is all you expect it to be before investing in the more expensive equipment.

Thing you’ve summed things up pretty well  ;D
I think that’s something I definitely plan to do, but ultimately I won’t my self fail once I start, so fingers crossed I can smash it!

This place is a great help! I’m now going back through the pages to click on the threads I wasn’t really interested in ( brushes etc ) the ones I’ve really played attention to have all been business building etc, so now trying to get my head round the technical side I guess

Re: Cost of starting up…
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2021, 01:00:16 pm »
Personally I wouldn't go with a trolley system. You're still going to need to transport water to fill it and if you're buying in pure water filling and carrying it in barrels and re filling the trolley from them . That would be tedious. If , like you say, once you start you will not fail, then it's an unnecessary intermediate stage and expense. I'd get a tank, even if only a 300 L. Fill a back pack with it and stick it on a sack truck if funds are tight - you'll be refilling it a lot though especially in the beginning.  A van mount system doesn't have to be all bells and whistles. If you're not DIY minded you can even buy a pumpbox with a battery included ( I built my own even cheaper ).  Look around eBay etc. People always selling basic van mount systems. Even buying new kit and building yourself on a budget, a van mount and delivery system needn't cost you more than 1K, possibly cheaper if you shop around.

Jay Le Huray

  • Posts: 647
Re: Cost of starting up…
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2021, 02:21:22 pm »
What part of Soton are you?

Perfect Windows

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Re: Cost of starting up…
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2021, 04:05:51 pm »
I'm next out w/c 5th July. If you fancy a morning or afternoon with me give me a shout.

Vin

Richard iSparkle

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Re: Cost of starting up…
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2021, 04:08:26 pm »
spend a day with a window WFP cleaner and see what you think. just helping out and asking questions

spend 2 weeks knockings door to door to book in work...

personally i wouldn't bother with a squeegee, but i don't think its a bad idea as such.

it depends how much cash you have

if you like the first, and get jobs on the second then invest in a  van and system if you have the cash... and keep on knocking until you can afford to pay someone to get business for you

to be fair the setup costs of this business are tiny compared to almost any other business

and if you get a van and it doesn't work out for you, you can sell it easily enough

iSparkle Window Cleaning

www.isparklewindowcleaning.uk

AuRavelling79

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Re: Cost of starting up…
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2021, 04:14:11 pm »
I was trad. Then a trolley out the car. Then a 175L tank in the car. Then a van with 400L. When I took on a helper I towed a trailer with  200L tank extra on board. Finally a van with 650L.

Looking back? Once you decide on a van go for a tank, reel and pump. No doubt whatsoever. A trolley in a van is a waste.



It's a game of three halves!

Stoots

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Re: Cost of starting up…
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2021, 06:44:18 pm »
3k should be plenty

2k on the van and 1k for everything else needed, get a van mount.

Easiest way to get work is local facebook groups, could build an entire round off them if theres enough groups in your area. If i had know about them when i started i would have literally saved thousands in canvassers, leaflets, google adwords and websites.


South coast con

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Re: Cost of starting up…
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2021, 07:22:59 pm »
What part of Soton are you?

Hi Jay, I’m hedge end!

Think I’ve seen some of your posts on Facebook before!

South coast con

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Re: Cost of starting up…
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2021, 07:23:52 pm »
I'm next out w/c 5th July. If you fancy a morning or afternoon with me give me a shout.

Vin

That’s really Kind of you Vin,
Where are you based?

Cheers

South coast con

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Re: Cost of starting up…
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2021, 07:32:51 pm »
3k should be plenty

2k on the van and 1k for everything else needed, get a van mount.

Do you think? I had my self as maybe 2-3k shorter ( I’ve probably over estimated some of the costs

How have you broken down the costs for everything other then the van? Just so I can see where I’ve gone wrong…

This was my very rough list I done yesterday

Work clothes £150 ( including some shoes )
Poles £500 ( for 2, or do you think just 1 for now? )
Brushes £100 ( do I need 2 different  ones? For a regular clean and maybe 1 for a first clean? )
Spares ?
Other equipment £150 ( cones etc )
Website - ?
Leaflets - £500 ( including paying my sister to help me deliver )
Van - 2-3k
Sign writing ?
Insurances ?
Gutter vac
Go pro

I only want the gutter vac as to help with another source of income while building and obviously good to have in my Arsenal of services I can offer, but maybe just good to focus on windows for the time being?

Any thoughts or things I’m missing would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again all   

Easiest way to get work is local facebook groups, could build an entire round off them if theres enough groups in your area. If i had know about them when i started i would have literally saved thousands in canvassers, leaflets, google adwords and websites.

Stoots

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Re: Cost of starting up…
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2021, 06:50:07 am »
3k should be plenty

2k on the van and 1k for everything else needed, get a van mount.

Do you think? I had my self as maybe 2-3k shorter ( I’ve probably over estimated some of the costs

How have you broken down the costs for everything other then the van? Just so I can see where I’ve gone wrong…

This was my very rough list I done yesterday

Work clothes £150 ( including some shoes )
Poles £500 ( for 2, or do you think just 1 for now? )
Brushes £100 ( do I need 2 different  ones? For a regular clean and maybe 1 for a first clean? )
Spares ?
Other equipment £150 ( cones etc )
Website - ?
Leaflets - £500 ( including paying my sister to help me deliver )
Van - 2-3k
Sign writing ?
Insurances ?
Gutter vac
Go pro

I only want the gutter vac as to help with another source of income while building and obviously good to have in my Arsenal of services I can offer, but maybe just good to focus on windows for the time being?

Any thoughts or things I’m missing would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again all   

Easiest way to get work is local facebook groups, could build an entire round off them if theres enough groups in your area. If i had know about them when i started i would have literally saved thousands in canvassers, leaflets, google adwords and websites.

Well i didnt factor in a gutter vac as you i assumed you were talking about window cleaning......

Youve probably gone wrong firstly by assuming you need to buy everything new for a start

You can get 5k of leaflets for about £50, thats plenty to start as you want to be canvassing and only leafletting those not in, couple this with hitting FB groups every day and by the time you run out you probably wont need to buy any more.

work clothes, not really essential when just starting but a couple of printed shirts and a hoody would be about £50, you can get a pair of cargo shorts or trousers for £20 and boots for about £30 from go outdoors. Although in summer i wear trainers.

Website, dont need this straight away, waste of money it wont start producing anything for at least 6 months and you will have to pay for seo to get it to rank. Waste of £500/1000. Better to make your own on wordpress, you can get sitebuilders cheap enough if you just want one as a reference.  Ive made a few sites that cost nothing more than the hosting fee of a couple of quid a month. You can always get a flashy site later down the line.

Insurance, you only need public liability which is about a fiver a month, and even thats not a legal requirement. If you must get insurance that covers you for things you work on thats about £15 a month.

Equipment

Buy second hand where you can, tank £100, reel £50, maybe get a new battery and pump as these wear but even then £70 for a battery and £90 a pump.  Pole, just get a 22 or 25, slx would cost about £300 new or see whats about second hand, scrimp on the rest but not the pole.....ive got a perfectly good slx 25 in the garage i dont use that would last another year or 2......you dont really want pita jobs anyway, waste of money buying a 35 footer for the odd job that has velux etc as you will only hate doing them later down the line. You dont even need a controller, i ran without for many years but get one if you want but its not ESSENTIAL when starting out if we are working to a budget.

Handfull of spares and a cheap tool kit wont cost you much at all.

Just get what you NEED to do the job you can upgrade as you go along, my first van was £500 and my van mount was about the same again!

Spend your time on learning how to build websites, run Fb ads, seo, adwords etc, everything is digital these days. Canvass to make best use of your time rather than leaflet, once you leafletted all day and only had 1 call you will see why, been there done it.

It can be as cheap or expensive as you like, when you get down to basics you just need a container of water in a vehicle with some way of pumping it to a brush head, i used £10 chinese pumps off ebay for many years which worked absoloutely fine.

South coast con

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Re: Cost of starting up…
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2021, 07:06:51 am »
3k should be plenty

2k on the van and 1k for everything else needed, get a van mount.

Do you think? I had my self as maybe 2-3k shorter ( I’ve probably over estimated some of the costs

How have you broken down the costs for everything other then the van? Just so I can see where I’ve gone wrong…

This was my very rough list I done yesterday

Work clothes £150 ( including some shoes )
Poles £500 ( for 2, or do you think just 1 for now? )
Brushes £100 ( do I need 2 different  ones? For a regular clean and maybe 1 for a first clean? )
Spares ?
Other equipment £150 ( cones etc )
Website - ?
Leaflets - £500 ( including paying my sister to help me deliver )
Van - 2-3k
Sign writing ?
Insurances ?
Gutter vac
Go pro

I only want the gutter vac as to help with another source of income while building and obviously good to have in my Arsenal of services I can offer, but maybe just good to focus on windows for the time being?

Any thoughts or things I’m missing would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again all   

Easiest way to get work is local facebook groups, could build an entire round off them if theres enough groups in your area. If i had know about them when i started i would have literally saved thousands in canvassers, leaflets, google adwords and websites.

Well i didnt factor in a gutter vac as you i assumed you were talking about window cleaning......

Youve probably gone wrong firstly by assuming you need to buy everything new for a start

You can get 5k of leaflets for about £50, thats plenty to start as you want to be canvassing and only leafletting those not in, couple this with hitting FB groups every day and by the time you run out you probably wont need to buy any more.

work clothes, not really essential when just starting but a couple of printed shirts and a hoody would be about £50, you can get a pair of cargo shorts or trousers for £20 and boots for about £30 from go outdoors. Although in summer i wear trainers.

Website, dont need this straight away, waste of money it wont start producing anything for at least 6 months and you will have to pay for seo to get it to rank. Waste of £500/1000. Better to make your own on wordpress, you can get sitebuilders cheap enough if you just want one as a reference.  Ive made a few sites that cost nothing more than the hosting fee of a couple of quid a month. You can always get a flashy site later down the line.

Insurance, you only need public liability which is about a fiver a month, and even thats not a legal requirement. If you must get insurance that covers you for things you work on thats about £15 a month.

Equipment

Buy second hand where you can, tank £100, reel £50, maybe get a new battery and pump as these wear but even then £70 for a battery and £90 a pump.  Pole, just get a 22 or 25, slx would cost about £300 new or see whats about second hand, scrimp on the rest but not the pole.....ive got a perfectly good slx 25 in the garage i dont use that would last another year or 2......you dont really want pita jobs anyway, waste of money buying a 35 footer for the odd job that has velux etc as you will only hate doing them later down the line. You dont even need a controller, i ran without for many years but get one if you want but its not ESSENTIAL when starting out if we are working to a budget.

Handfull of spares and a cheap tool kit wont cost you much at all.

Just get what you NEED to do the job you can upgrade as you go along, my first van was £500 and my van mount was about the same again!

Spend your time on learning how to build websites, run Fb ads, seo, adwords etc, everything is digital these days. Canvass to make best use of your time rather than leaflet, once you leafletted all day and only had 1 call you will see why, been there done it.

It can be as cheap or expensive as you like, when you get down to basics you just need a container of water in a vehicle with some way of pumping it to a brush head, i used £10 chinese pumps off ebay for many years which worked absoloutely fine.

Top man Stoots, thank you!

Lots to get my head round and look up! Really want to use this week of annual leave to get a proper plan together on how I’m going to execute all
Of this, so thanks for the advice!

Connor

Jay Le Huray

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Re: Cost of starting up…
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2021, 07:13:32 am »
What part of Soton are you?

Hi Jay, I’m hedge end!

Think I’ve seen some of your posts on Facebook before!

I'm Bursledon, You will most likely need to canvass outside of Hedge End is it's mostly covered by JRH and his boys

South coast con

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Re: Cost of starting up…
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2021, 07:17:48 am »
What part of Soton are you?

Hi Jay, I’m hedge end!

Think I’ve seen some of your posts on Facebook before!

I'm Bursledon, You will most likely need to canvass outside of Hedge End is it's mostly covered by JRH and his boys

Yep, most definitely! I know one of the JRH lads, and if it’s not them, it’s Neptune.

I’m moving to Basingstoke end of July, so will be targeting around there thankfully

Spruce

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Re: Cost of starting up…
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2021, 07:48:13 am »
I'm next out w/c 5th July. If you fancy a morning or afternoon with me give me a shout.

Vin

That’s really Kind of you Vin,
Where are you based?

Cheers

https://www.perfect-windows.co.uk/

The links are on his invitation post.
Window Cleaning Southampton
Window Cleaning Christchurch
franchises@perfect-windows.co.uk
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

South coast con

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Re: Cost of starting up…
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2021, 07:52:56 am »
I'm next out w/c 5th July. If you fancy a morning or afternoon with me give me a shout.

Vin

That’s really Kind of you Vin,
Where are you based?

Cheers

https://www.perfect-windows.co.uk/

The links are on his invitation post.
Window Cleaning Southampton
Window Cleaning Christchurch
franchises@perfect-windows.co.uk

Thanks for that, they weren’t showing in my phone for some reason, cheers!