[Perfect Windows]

We use our poles in a hoseless setup.

Unfortunately, with the new gooseneck without a hole through, I can't find a sensible way to set up hoseless.

Previously, you could set up the EZsnap connector, pull it tight through the gooseneck and trim to length. Now, with no way through the gooseneck, I can't find a sensible way to fix the problem. We've bodged one by fitting gooseneck and hose then stretching the hose before fitting the EZsnap piece and allowing it to drag back but it's a real PITA.

Has anyone resolved this?

Cheers,

Vin

[Perfect Windows]

Solution: Cut off the tab at the bottom then run an 8.5mm drill through the thing and you have a gooseneck you can use for hoseless.



Vin

[Smudger]

Nice mod vin

Why are gardiners doing goosenecks without a hole ?

Darran

[Ched]

Nice mod vin

Why are gardiners doing goosenecks without a hole ?

Darran

So the people who use univalves don't keep snapping jets due to not putting something on the hose to stop it pulling on the jets!
I thought Alex said he intended to keep listing the goosenecks with the through hole as a spare part.

[Smudger]

Nice mod vin

Why are gardiners doing goosenecks without a hole ?

Darran

So the people who use univalves don't keep snapping jets due to not putting something on the hose to stop it pulling on the jets!
I thought Alex said he intended to keep listing the goosenecks with the through hole as a spare part.

huh?

[Ched]

Nice mod vin

Why are gardiners doing goosenecks without a hole ?

Darran

So the people who use univalves don't keep snapping jets due to not putting something on the hose to stop it pulling on the jets!
I thought Alex said he intended to keep listing the goosenecks with the through hole as a spare part.

huh?

The new gooseneck has a fixed 8mm tail that the John guest coupler goes between this and the pole hose. Then at the top of the gooseneck there is a built in JG push fit that a short piece of hose goes from to the jets.

There had been complaints that some people using univalves were pulling the hose at the bottom to shut off water and pulling so hard they yank the jets and break them. I believe anyone fitting a univalve is supposed to put a o-clip above the gooseneck to stop the hose pulling too much on the jets.
Problem is that the new gooseneck fixes one issue of people not installing univalves correctly but makes hoseless quite difficult.

Hope that explains.

[Smudger]

sorry I must be missing something - this look perfect for univalve operation with a fixed stem at the base that is solid it would remove the need for a hose stop or o clip above the goose neck surely ?

Darran

[M & C Window Cleaning]

The problem is that Gardiners and Exceed Innovations are two different companies with their own bits of kit, some of which works well together, but not all.
Gardiners new gooseneck has been designed to help Exceed's Univalve users not to break their own (Gardiner's) jets when not fitted correctly or if their hose stop slips, but it hasn't been designed to work with Exceed's tubeless kit. Hence those who like to use both have this problem.
You can go tubeless with Gardiners new gooseneck but you have to do it without Exceed's kit or modify the gooseneck as explained above and which effectively returns it to the original one that allows the hose to go right through it.
I use Gardiner's gooseneck valve which also doesn't work with Exceed's tubeless kit, so I just have a short hosetail at the base of my pole and have my connector outside the pole instead of inside. This does take some getting used to as the connector goes in and out of the pole, but can be done. I've used this method for several years.

[Smudger]

I see

I use tubeless on ova 8 - no need for the exceed kit but you do need a hose stop - I would just use a double ended jg fitting on the gooseneck or pole hose straight onto the stem job done

Darran

[dazmond]

sorry I must be missing something - this look perfect for univalve operation with a fixed stem at the base that is solid it would remove the need for a hose stop or o clip above the goose neck surely ?

Darran

i use an o clip on my pole hose to jets on my brush as i use a univalve but sometimes i need to adjust it as it slides about(probably due to hot water)....this new gooseneck eliminates the problem altogether......

[Alex Gardiner]

I thought Alex said he intended to keep listing the goosenecks with the through hole as a spare part.

Correct 

The previous version angle adapter base part is still available to buy separately.

[tlwcs]

Nice mod vin

Why are gardiners doing goosenecks without a hole ?

Darran

So the people who use univalves don't keep snapping jets due to not putting something on the hose to stop it pulling on the jets!
I thought Alex said he intended to keep listing the goosenecks with the through hole as a spare part.

huh?

The new gooseneck has a fixed 8mm tail that the John guest coupler goes between this and the pole hose. Then at the top of the gooseneck there is a built in JG push fit that a short piece of hose goes from to the jets.

There had been complaints that some people using univalves were pulling the hose at the bottom to shut off water and pulling so hard they yank the jets and break them. I believe anyone fitting a univalve is supposed to put a o-clip above the gooseneck to stop the hose pulling too much on the jets.
Problem is that the new gooseneck fixes one issue of people not installing univalves correctly but makes hoseless quite difficult.

Hope that explains.

Surely that’s not right.
I use a univalve and the hose is secured the brush side of the gooseneck with a clip. If it wasn’t it would out from the ‘T’ connection before breaking the jet capsules

I couldn’t find the old style goosenecks when I ordered this morning.
Tony

[Ched]

Nice mod vin

Why are gardiners doing goosenecks without a hole ?

Darran

So the people who use univalves don't keep snapping jets due to not putting something on the hose to stop it pulling on the jets!
I thought Alex said he intended to keep listing the goosenecks with the through hole as a spare part.

huh?

The new gooseneck has a fixed 8mm tail that the John guest coupler goes between this and the pole hose. Then at the top of the gooseneck there is a built in JG push fit that a short piece of hose goes from to the jets.

There had been complaints that some people using univalves were pulling the hose at the bottom to shut off water and pulling so hard they yank the jets and break them. I believe anyone fitting a univalve is supposed to put a o-clip above the gooseneck to stop the hose pulling too much on the jets.
Problem is that the new gooseneck fixes one issue of people not installing univalves correctly but makes hoseless quite difficult.

Hope that explains.

Surely that’s not right.
I use a univalve and the hose is secured the brush side of the gooseneck with a clip. If it wasn’t it would out from the ‘T’ connection before breaking the jet capsules

I couldn’t find the old style goosenecks when I ordered this morning.
Tony

https://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/replacement-gooseneck-base-part.html old style goosenecks

[Lee GLS]

I see

I use tubeless on ova 8 - no need for the exceed kit but you do need a hose stop - I would just use a double ended jg fitting on the gooseneck or pole hose straight onto the stem job done

Darran

What setup do you have for tubeless on your ova 8? I’ve got a HM 22 ova 8 coming and am undecided how to use tubeless like I have done on my SLX.

[robbo333]

sorry I must be missing something - this look perfect for univalve operation with a fixed stem at the base that is solid it would remove the need for a hose stop or o clip above the goose neck surely ?

Darran

i use an o clip on my pole hose to jets on my brush as i use a univalve but sometimes i need to adjust it as it slides about(probably due to hot water)....this new gooseneck eliminates the problem altogether......

Daz, what I did was wrap some Gorilla tape around the pole hose, just after the O clip. So the O clip can't move any further up towards the brush, because the tape prevents it from moving. I think the tape was about 3/4 inch wide.

[Smudger]

Ok - so on the ova 8 the univalve will not fit inside section 1 so when I set them up I thread pole hole through goose neck and dow section one  I then fit the univalve to the pole hole and pull the univalve so it just touches the base of section one - I then put pole hose on the end of the univalve allowing extra length  to trim to length - I now put section 1 and univalve back into the pole
at the top I use hose stop rather than o clip as these don't move then at the base I trim hose so about 1.5 inches protrude out of the base here I put a double ended (straight) JG fitting - then on the reel I have 30 ft of pole connected to the end microbore hose
so if you need to disconnect the pole just do it at the jg connector.

It is slightly limited in that you cant change the goose neck - but streamline do extension pieces for the top half of their standard goosenecks if you need more length

Darran

[Perfect Windows]

I thought Alex said he intended to keep listing the goosenecks with the through hole as a spare part.

Correct 

The previous version angle adapter base part is still available to buy separately.

Hi Alex,

Is that while stocks last or for good?

Thanks,

Vin

[Splash & dash]

Solution: Cut off the tab at the bottom then run an 8.5mm drill through the thing and you have a gooseneck you can use for hoseless.



Vin

Surely drilling it out like that is making the side walls thinner and the likelihood of the goose neck fracturing is very likely as it’s constantly flexing with pressure being applied to the brush ??

[Alex Gardiner]

I thought Alex said he intended to keep listing the goosenecks with the through hole as a spare part.

Correct 

The previous version angle adapter base part is still available to buy separately.

Hi Alex,

Is that while stocks last or for good?

Thanks,

Vin

Hi Vin

We do have a large stock of these - so the stock should last for many years. We also have the tooling all ready to run off extra batches if ever needed.

It will be interesting seeing what is being used for these sort of setups in 4-5 years time and whether these base parts will be needed anymore 

[Perfect Windows]

Hi Vin

We do have a large stock of these - so the stock should last for many years. We also have the tooling all ready to run off extra batches if ever needed.

It will be interesting seeing what is being used for these sort of setups in 4-5 years time and whether these base parts will be needed anymore 

Thanks, Alex.

I don't have a problem with the new design used with a pole hose but I just can't see a way to use it hoseless. You need a length of hose that's pretty much bang on the length of the section and you need it connected at both ends, one of which is now a JG fitting inside the pole so it can't be connected.

Surely drilling it out like that is making the side walls thinner and the likelihood of the goose neck fracturing is very likely as it’s constantly flexing with pressure being applied to the brush ??

I can't see a way to get hoseless working with the new goosenecks. That's the purpose of the original post. I've found a solution but (as mentioned) it's weaker than it should be. I'm open to a better solution if anyone has one.

And no, I'll never go back to a pole hose.

Vin