[Jack Judd]

I have two self employed staff that have been with me for 8 years.  One works for 3 days a week and the other 2.  Both have there own little businesses as well so it works.  However need to take someone else on and going through indeed the idea of incentives and bonus's were raised.  Had thought about this before and have done nothing about it.  But need to keep the current guys and the new person coming in motivated.  Any ideas in incentives or bonuses. 
  My current thoughts  No complaints / missed windows per week £20 bonus
1 year 0.5% of revenue bonus
2 year 0.75% of revenue bonus
3 year 1% of revenue bonus
John Lewis scheme   where they come to own part of the business the longer they are with me.

Any suggestions welcome as am interviewing tomorrow.

[Smudger]

weekly - daily bonus (Paid monthly)has really made a difference in quality and speed of cleaning

while 0.5% is fine for a year I think its going to be a hard sell unless you attach monetary value to it  - are you saying they get 0.5% just for staying with you for a year or staying a year with no complaints ?

Bonus's incentives give that bit extra but your basics need to be good as well ie.. good working conditions - fair wage etc..

Employing people who have other biz interests are a different prospect to "PAYE" - on the good side they will usually have the mentality to get things done and understand flexibility - on the downside they may dump you at a drop of a hat if there biz need more attention and at the back of my mind I would always question why if they are capable of running their own biz why work for someone else..

Darran

[Spruce]

weekly - daily bonus (Paid monthly)has really made a difference in quality and speed of cleaning

while 0.5% is fine for a year I think its going to be a hard sell unless you attach monetary value to it  - are you saying they get 0.5% just for staying with you for a year or staying a year with no complaints ?

Bonus's incentives give that bit extra but your basics need to be good as well ie.. good working conditions - fair wage etc..

This is an important point Darran. Money isn't always a key motivator; making employees happy is what counts.  It's finding out what 'floats that employee's boat.' We found that employees who were money focused would do or say anything to get the next sale as all they thought about was how much commission they would earn on that sale. Sometimes their actions weren't in the best interests of the company.

Employing people who have other biz interests are a different prospect to "PAYE" - on the good side they will usually have the mentality to get things done and understand flexibility - on the downside they may dump you at a drop of a hat if there biz need more attention and at the back of my mind I would always question why if they are capable of running their own biz why work for someone else..

I would also question this.

Darran

[jay moley]

What do you think of this?

30% of days turnover if £350 is met.

If £350 a day isn’t met you would still get £75 as a daily minimum.

We expect £350 worth of work every day after 2 months on the job.

If you average £350 of work a day over each quarter you get a £100 bonus.

If you achieve that over the full year you get a £200 bonus.

Im not sure about sick days bonus?

[Smudger]

Ok - what's the hourly rate - I know others are using a percentage of day only but I think your on dangerous ground regards minimum wage if it takes them 10 hours to do that a day and you will have to make sure you have 350 worth of work a day

If you can do 350 in a 7 hour day then really you would be better off paying £12 to 13 p/h - you'd be better off

what are your plans when the guy takes 2 weeks holiday you still paying 30% of the 350 a day ?

Darran

[jay moley]

Ok - what's the hourly rate - I know others are using a percentage of day only but I think your on dangerous ground regards minimum wage if it takes them 10 hours to do that a day and you will have to make sure you have 350 worth of work a day

If you can do 350 in a 7 hour day then really you would be better off paying £12 to 13 p/h - you'd be better off

what are your plans when the guy takes 2 weeks holiday you still paying 30% of the 350 a day ?

Darran

They would only be working an 8 hour day (7 I suppose if they take the one hour lunch).

Hourly rate is £9.38 for the £75 but would be £13.13 if they hit the £350 and get the 30% Obviously more if they go over the £350.

As for holiday and sick it would just be the £75 day rate.

I have no idea how you would write this into a PAYE contract though!

[Smudger]

I would check that with Mr sparkle...

I'll be interested to see how this works out - £350 in 8 hours is achievable - but you (IMO) need to have all the T's crossed and i's dotted - like you need to make sure £350 worth of work is available - what about rain effected days - if you have equipment failure - what if a customer cancels and they don't hit £350 - anything out of the employees control can and most likely will argue that they are being penalised when you couldn't fulfil your end of the contact

I'm not saying it won't work - it may run like a dream - but make sure your target is realistic - I take it you cream £350 p/h every day in 7 hours ?

Darran

[jay moley]

I would check that with Mr sparkle...

I'll be interested to see how this works out - £350 in 8 hours is achievable - but you (IMO) need to have all the T's crossed and i's dotted - like you need to make sure £350 worth of work is available - what about rain effected days - if you have equipment failure - what if a customer cancels and they don't hit £350 - anything out of the employees control can and most likely will argue that they are being penalised when you couldn't fulfil your end of the contact

I'm not saying it won't work - it may run like a dream - but make sure your target is realistic - I take it you cream £350 p/h every day in 7 hours ?

Darran

£350 is achievable every day that I work unless there's rain delays. Im not even pushing it at the moment in terms of pace. Most days I could do £400 if I went for it, but as per recent posts Im not enjoying it so taking it easy.

[robbo333]

Not entirely relevant but:
My son in law worked in the good ole days of trad.
3 in a little van, the boss (the driver) + 1 in the front and 1 in the back. Yep you could do that in the good ole days.
The van hit £350 a day. The boss got £200 and the lads got £75 each.
The van would pull up, the boss did the driving, organising and collecting the money.
The lads would jump out, 1 did ups, 1 did downs. They were like 'rats up a drain pipe'.
If they hit over 350 a day, they would get a weekly bonus and it was quite good too.
They hit over 350 a day, every single day.
Times may have changed but the system lives on.

[Smudger]

How long ago was that rob?

Jay - then there is no issue in staff hitting the 350 a day - unless it rains

Darran

[jay moley]

How long ago was that rob?

Jay - then there is no issue in staff hitting the 350 a day - unless it rains

Darran

Looks like rain all week where I am. Thanks for sending me that e-mail, Im still thinking on it.

[robbo333]

How long ago was that rob?

Jay - then there is no issue in staff hitting the 350 a day - unless it rains

Darran

I reckon mid to late 90s.

[Smudger]

How long ago was that rob?

Jay - then there is no issue in staff hitting the 350 a day - unless it rains

Darran

wages haven't moved along a lot then have they 

I reckon mid to late 90s.

[motod]

I'm thinking  £20 a day if on target and no complaints, thats nice £400 a month extra (almost £5k a year), worth the effort.

£350 is achievable every day that I work unless there's rain delays. Im not even pushing it at the moment in terms of pace. Most days I could do £400 if I went for it, but as per recent posts Im not enjoying it so taking it easy.

One ops or team of two? thanks

[jay moley]

I'm thinking  £20 a day if on target and no complaints, thats nice £400 a month extra (almost £5k a year), worth the effort.

£350 is achievable every day that I work unless there's rain delays. Im not even pushing it at the moment in terms of pace. Most days I could do £400 if I went for it, but as per recent posts Im not enjoying it so taking it easy.

One ops or team of two? thanks

On my own. I don't take lunch tho. Maybe one 15 minute break at most.

[Richard iSparkle]

I would check that with Mr sparkle...

I'll be interested to see how this works out - £350 in 8 hours is achievable - but you (IMO) need to have all the T's crossed and i's dotted - like you need to make sure £350 worth of work is available - what about rain effected days - if you have equipment failure - what if a customer cancels and they don't hit £350 - anything out of the employees control can and most likely will argue that they are being penalised when you couldn't fulfil your end of the contact

I'm not saying it won't work - it may run like a dream - but make sure your target is realistic - I take it you cream £350 p/h every day in 7 hours ?

Darran

£350 a day is our minimum because its easy for our staff to do that day in day out and work 8- 2:30.

Jay - if thats not easy for you to do with your current rounds then you should look at that before you employ and get your prices right, your rounds right, and your operations right so that you can.  the idea is that its realistic for them to earn far more than this by pushing themselves harder.

all my guys do well over that once their a couple of weeks in

we work all weathers so rain doesn't effect us.

its very simple and works like a dream.

Jay - there's no need for the extra bonuses your paying weekly or monthly

[jay moley]

I would check that with Mr sparkle...

I'll be interested to see how this works out - £350 in 8 hours is achievable - but you (IMO) need to have all the T's crossed and i's dotted - like you need to make sure £350 worth of work is available - what about rain effected days - if you have equipment failure - what if a customer cancels and they don't hit £350 - anything out of the employees control can and most likely will argue that they are being penalised when you couldn't fulfil your end of the contact

I'm not saying it won't work - it may run like a dream - but make sure your target is realistic - I take it you cream £350 p/h every day in 7 hours ?

Darran

£350 a day is our minimum because its easy for our staff to do that day in day out and work 8- 2:30.

Jay - if thats not easy for you to do with your current rounds then you should look at that before you employ and get your prices right, your rounds right, and your operations right so that you can.  the idea is that its realistic for them to earn far more than this by pushing themselves harder.

all my guys do well over that once their a couple of weeks in

we work all weathers so rain doesn't effect us.

its very simple and works like a dream.

Jay - there's no need for the extra bonuses your paying weekly or monthly

I am doing £350 every day.

[Richard iSparkle]

I would check that with Mr sparkle...

I'll be interested to see how this works out - £350 in 8 hours is achievable - but you (IMO) need to have all the T's crossed and i's dotted - like you need to make sure £350 worth of work is available - what about rain effected days - if you have equipment failure - what if a customer cancels and they don't hit £350 - anything out of the employees control can and most likely will argue that they are being penalised when you couldn't fulfil your end of the contact

I'm not saying it won't work - it may run like a dream - but make sure your target is realistic - I take it you cream £350 p/h every day in 7 hours ?

Darran

£350 a day is our minimum because its easy for our staff to do that day in day out and work 8- 2:30.

Jay - if thats not easy for you to do with your current rounds then you should look at that before you employ and get your prices right, your rounds right, and your operations right so that you can.  the idea is that its realistic for them to earn far more than this by pushing themselves harder.

all my guys do well over that once their a couple of weeks in

we work all weathers so rain doesn't effect us.

its very simple and works like a dream.

Jay - there's no need for the extra bonuses your paying weekly or monthly

I am doing £350 every day.

so if its easy enough for you to do £350 a day that is a good level to set.

[Stoots]

350 a day jeez  i wish i worked in some of these areas.

I could do 350 i guess if i worked 8 hours a day but no way could i keep that up for more than 1 day 

[dazmond]

£7,000+ a month for 5 days work at 6 hours a day per week.......i must be doing something wrong....i dont get anywhere near them figures...you must have lots of good paying jobs....

i do hit £350+ some days but its not day in/day out!

some of you must be turning over £80k+ a year for a 46 week year!that is truly staggering.....i really didnt think window cleaners could earn that much in a year...you must pay a lot of tax on that......