[H MAN]

Put him on ignore they’ll be about 3-4 people left talking on here soon 👌

Yer put your head in the sand what a good idea.

Winding a bit of tape around  a handle is hardly going to stop an RSI injury , it might make it a bit more comfortable to hold and increase the handle diameter by a couple of mm but that’s it .

As I said watch the whole video right through.
It's what we do before winding a bit of tape around  a handle.
That makes it easier to use.

[Splash & dash]

Put him on ignore they’ll be about 3-4 people left talking on here soon 👌

Yer put your head in the sand what a good idea.

Winding a bit of tape around  a handle is hardly going to stop an RSI injury , it might make it a bit more comfortable to hold and increase the handle diameter by a couple of mm but that’s it .

As I said watch the whole video right through.
It's what we do before winding a bit of tape around  a handle.
That makes it easier to use.

We just have a selection of these and never have any issues

[Arnold Palmer]

Could you please show me the clinical trials undertaken for easing this medical condition and your qualifications for promoting this devise, because if I do this and end up with a serious wrist injury I will need your details to pass onto my solicitor

Darran

Lol.

Good luck with that.

[Arnold Palmer]

Any medical evidence of your claim?

In which way??

NOW - who has no idea 

No unfortunately your the one who has no idea.
If you do this to your handle you find it will work much differently.
Once you do this you will have less likelihood of getting RSI ,trigger finger ,numb finger tips, sore wrist, forearms.

you need to back it up with some scientific fact - please do so - im waiting

He really doesn't.

[Smudger]

then he shouldn't claim to stop RSI

personally not bothered either way, I just like to give Herman some challenges to counter his wild claims - anyone who's inventing or improving stuff should be quite open to comments and easily be able to explain why its better than a moulded and shaped handle - but all he does ignore any questions and continually repeats the same old dross  - he has deaf ears

and even worse most of his stuff is over 7 years old - so not even cutting edge even for Herman th master of 19th century bodge ups

 

Darran

[H MAN]

then he shouldn't claim to stop RSI

personally not bothered either way, I just like to give Herman some challenges to counter his wild claims - anyone who's inventing or improving stuff should be quite open to comments and easily be able to explain why its better than a moulded and shaped handle - but all he does ignore any questions and continually repeats the same old dross  - he has deaf ears

and even worse most of his stuff is over 7 years old - so not even cutting edge even for Herman th master of 19th century bodge ups

 

Darran

Looks like you can't even read.
If you had looked the first post
It said.Less likelihood of developing RSI

[Smudger]

semantics

 

Darran

[Jay Le Huray]

H MAN , I have never replied to any of your posts as yet, so this is a first.

I have noticed that the majority of your topics are about adapting and modifying trad window cleaning tools?

WHY? do you not think that the makers of the said tools have it off to a T having sold them for many years?

When I first started in the 70's I was a trad window cleaner (no WFP them days) and the equipment sold them days is virtually the same as today and works fine, now days of course I'm WFP but can still turn my hand to trad if needed and I do still carry a applicator, squeegee, bucket and scrims in my van, you never know when you may need them.

Suffice to say that the trad gear I have is many years old and still works fine (the way it was designed for) so why would I want to change or adapt it when it does the job?

There's an old saying that springs to mind ........ "If it ain't busted, don't fix it"

   

[robbo333]

then he shouldn't claim to stop RSI

personally not bothered either way, I just like to give Herman some challenges to counter his wild claims - anyone who's inventing or improving stuff should be quite open to comments and easily be able to explain why its better than a moulded and shaped handle - but all he does ignore any questions and continually repeats the same old dross  - he has deaf ears

and even worse most of his stuff is over 7 years old - so not even cutting edge even for Herman th master of 19th century bodge ups

 

Darran

Looks like you can't even read.
If you had looked the first post
It said.Less likelihood of developing RSI

Herman, unfortunately you are not qualified to make that statement, this is just YOUR opinion!
You are neither a doctor or a medical specialist.
You could say that it has helped you with your problem, or it feels more comfortable to use, or it works better for you.
I think you need to consider more about how you 'word' things.

[Smudger]

My point entirely - but you made it better than I did 

Darran

[robbo333]

Darran, I think you made your point very well, it just wasn't understood by Herman.

[H MAN]

Would you like to have more detail information
Why??.
So how would doctor or a medical specialist.
Know how to use a squeegee.
Because that is the only way you would know where the problem is.

[Smudger]

Would you like to have more detail information
Why??.
So how would doctor or a medical specialist.
Know how to use a squeegee.
Because that is the only way you would know where the problem is.

Ahah hahaha

[H MAN]

Would you like to have more detail information
Why??.
So how would doctor or a medical specialist.
Know how to use a squeegee.
Because that is the only way you would know where the problem is.

Ahah hahaha

Yer that's right laughable.
Would you like me to explain in detail the way I see it.
And even a Doctor will understand.
 

[H MAN]

THIS IS HOW WE SEE IT
So over the past 20 years developing a window squeegee that is easier to use in the hand.
Looking at why people have been developing RSI (Repetitive Strain Injury)
Common RSI Symptoms
Symptoms of RSI or an overuse injury can be any of the following:
1/ It is burning, aching or shooting pain.
2/ Tremors, clumsiness and numbness.
3/ Fatigue or a lack of strength.
2/ Tremors, clumsiness and numbness.. It is often difficult to perform even simple tasks.
5/ The first signs of RSI may be soreness, tingling or discomfort in the neck, arms, wrists, fingers or shoulders.
5/  The first signs of RSI may be soreness, tingling or discomfort in the neck, arms, wrists, fingers or shoulders.
Symptoms may disappear when you stop the aggravating activity. It may take only a few hours for the symptoms to settle or take as long as a couple of days.
Unfortunately, over time a minor RSI can turn into a nasty chronic injury.
Extra stress in your work or taking fewer breaks can make your symptoms much more severe and long term.
What Causes RSI?
Many factors can cause RSI. They include:
Repeated arm use for too long

(Working with equipment that doesn’t fit your body)

Working too fast
You do not have enough recovery breaks.
Holding your muscles in the same position for a long time
Lack of training in the safest way to carry out a task
Lack of variety in the type of work you do
Working in cold conditions
What’s Injured by RSI?
RSI potentially damages your muscles, tendons,  nerves and joints (through repeated micro-trauma.)
WHY
So relating to using a squeegee and reason for developing RSI
is:
1/ Working with equipment that doesn’t fit your body.
In this case we are talking about the actual squeegee handle.
All handles for squeegees have never been designed to be held in hand while squeegeeing.
All were designed to be held or griped for other uses.
This is why it is causing not everyone but still causing RSI over time.
2/ Repeated micro-trauma
Found the fingers seem to be what is causing the RSI.
In particular your Ring and Little fingers are the lowest strength wise.
Yet they are the most used in way of Repeated Micro-Trauma due to the poorly designed squeegee handles.
Because while holding/griping round handle found that have to do many micro grips.
On a curvature handle at the base to stop from slipping around.
And this is why we have put a flat sides on base of the squeegee handle.
You have better surface contact then if  the handle is round at base.
And have much lighter grip little or no Micro Grips.

[Smudger]

There's more to it than putting a flat on the side of a handle - for a start you need to keep the hand/wrist in a neutral position ie the "handshake" - even in your avatar your wrist is at an angle which will cause problems not the handle.

If your so hot on rsi why are the poles you use round - they need to be shaped, again looking how you clean a window with a pole your wrists are bent this way and that

It is little wonder you have  rsi  - perhaps you need to re-visit your cleaning technique

Darran

[H MAN]

There's more to it than putting a flat on the side of a handle - for a start you need to keep the hand/wrist in a neutral position ie the "handshake" - even in your avatar your wrist is at an angle which will cause problems not the handle.

If your so hot on rsi why are the poles you use round - they need to be shaped, again looking how you clean a window with a pole your wrists are bent this way and that

It is little wonder you have  rsi  - perhaps you need to re-visit your cleaning technique

Darran

We are not talking about how to hold a pole or shaking hands LOL
It's about squeegee handles.
If that was too much information for you to take in and don't understand that's OK.

[dazmond]

Most trad window cleaners dont have a problem with using a squeegee....its the knees that end up knackered after 50 years of climbing ladders and resting shins against the rungs....I know a few old boys and it's the knees that they have problems with not their hands...

[dazmond]

I've got the same unger ergotech trad gear I've had for many years....and itll last me at least another 30 years I reckon as I hardly do any squeegee work commercially these days..

I'll probably be retired by the time I'm 79-80 if I live that long and I'm in reasonable health......

[tlwcs]

THIS IS HOW WE SEE IT
So over the past 20 years developing a window squeegee that is easier to use in the hand.
Looking at why people have been developing RSI (Repetitive Strain Injury)
Common RSI Symptoms
Symptoms of RSI or an overuse injury can be any of the following:
1/ It is burning, aching or shooting pain.
2/ Tremors, clumsiness and numbness.
3/ Fatigue or a lack of strength.
2/ Tremors, clumsiness and numbness.. It is often difficult to perform even simple tasks.
5/ The first signs of RSI may be soreness, tingling or discomfort in the neck, arms, wrists, fingers or shoulders.
5/  The first signs of RSI may be soreness, tingling or discomfort in the neck, arms, wrists, fingers or shoulders.
Symptoms may disappear when you stop the aggravating activity. It may take only a few hours for the symptoms to settle or take as long as a couple of days.
Unfortunately, over time a minor RSI can turn into a nasty chronic injury.
Extra stress in your work or taking fewer breaks can make your symptoms much more severe and long term.
What Causes RSI?
Many factors can cause RSI. They include:
Repeated arm use for too long

(Working with equipment that doesn’t fit your body)

Working too fast
You do not have enough recovery breaks.
Holding your muscles in the same position for a long time
Lack of training in the safest way to carry out a task
Lack of variety in the type of work you do
Working in cold conditions
What’s Injured by RSI?
RSI potentially damages your muscles, tendons,  nerves and joints (through repeated micro-trauma.)
WHY
So relating to using a squeegee and reason for developing RSI
is:
1/ Working with equipment that doesn’t fit your body.
In this case we are talking about the actual squeegee handle.
All handles for squeegees have never been designed to be held in hand while squeegeeing.
All were designed to be held or griped for other uses.
This is why it is causing not everyone but still causing RSI over time.
2/ Repeated micro-trauma
Found the fingers seem to be what is causing the RSI.
In particular your Ring and Little fingers are the lowest strength wise.
Yet they are the most used in way of Repeated Micro-Trauma due to the poorly designed squeegee handles.
Because while holding/griping round handle found that have to do many micro grips.
On a curvature handle at the base to stop from slipping around.
And this is why we have put a flat sides on base of the squeegee handle.
You have better surface contact then if  the handle is round at base.
And have much lighter grip little or no Micro Grips.

Copy and paste went a bit wonky there mate