[NWH]

I think there is some confusion between "Dirt" which Hot - boiling or otherwise has no effect on and "Bird strike" which at the time of deposit was warm and soft - therefore any water nearing a temperature of a birds ar$e will soften the deposit and help it come off

Darran

This is something people fail to understand, hot water is beneficial on fats, grease, food etc, but has a much smaller effect on dirt.

dirt by nature (tiny bits of rock, grit) is cleaned best with agitation or pressure.

Hence the fact if you run cold water down a
window pane, then do the same with hot, the difference will be minimal.

It’s the brush and the combination of water that does the cleaning. Granted, hot does make a difference, but it’s minor for window cleaning.

Which is why I went back to cold, and haven’t ever felt the need to invest in a diesel heater. Saying that, I was interested in Rich’s, mainly as it was so small and compact, and ridiculously cheap .

When windows and frames  are cleaned with hot water the end result is night and day up close,you will never get certain parts of the frames cleaned with cold water unless you use chemicals and take 2-3 times as long on it.
Nothing like cleaning with cold water if you want to leave a lovely outline of where the  bird crap once was. 👌

[dazmond]

So let me get this straight.

You lads have some warm water, which only really benefits you a few months a year.

You inevitable crack windows with it which costs you £100 plus per time .

So it actually costs you more than it earns you. 

When I used hot, it never actually got me more work done, ever.

Let’s face it most window cleaners are home by 3pm or in my case even earlier with or without hot. It’s not like we need hot water to get things done quicker.

I will grant you it’s much nicer to use hot in the cold cold winter. But that’s about it really.

 

 

Ironically hot water is more beneficial in the warmer months for cleaning power...in winter it's just much nicer to work with and no need for thick gloves....

Stick with cold then...rather you than me ...🙂👍

How does it make any difference i.e. not having to wear thick gloves?
How does hot water in a 8mm hose inside a pole that's about 50 - 60mm diameter  warm your hands?
It's impossible especially if it's cold enough to need thick gloves.

i just wear nitrile gloves in winter now mate even on the coldest days as the hose im dragging around is warm so keeps my hands warm,it also warms the pole slightly too  ....wearing thicker gloves is always a pain when putting payment slips through customers doors or fumbling around  when a customers paying me in cash..luckily i dont have to wear them anymore....

also the flow to my brush is much better on a cold day in winter with hot water

[zesty]

I think there is some confusion between "Dirt" which Hot - boiling or otherwise has no effect on and "Bird strike" which at the time of deposit was warm and soft - therefore any water nearing a temperature of a birds ar$e will soften the deposit and help it come off

Darran

This is something people fail to understand, hot water is beneficial on fats, grease, food etc, but has a much smaller effect on dirt.

dirt by nature (tiny bits of rock, grit) is cleaned best with agitation or pressure.

Hence the fact if you run cold water down a
window pane, then do the same with hot, the difference will be minimal.

It’s the brush and the combination of water that does the cleaning. Granted, hot does make a difference, but it’s minor for window cleaning.

Which is why I went back to cold, and haven’t ever felt the need to invest in a diesel heater. Saying that, I was interested in Rich’s, mainly as it was so small and compact, and ridiculously cheap .

When windows and frames  are cleaned with hot water the end result is night and day up close,you will never get certain parts of the frames cleaned with cold water unless you use chemicals and take 2-3 times as long on it.
Nothing like cleaning with cold water if you want to leave a lovely outline of where the  bird crap once was. 👌

Nigel, this must be the reason I have no customers, it’s because the frames are cleaned with cold water;  therefore customers are looking at the frames with their very own high powered magnifying glasses.

They are seeing these microscopic discrepancies and cancelling me.

Thanks for the heads up.
 

[NWH]

No problem 👍

[NBwcs]

I think there is some confusion between "Dirt" which Hot - boiling or otherwise has no effect on and "Bird strike" which at the time of deposit was warm and soft - therefore any water nearing a temperature of a birds ar$e will soften the deposit and help it come off

Darran

This is something people fail to understand, hot water is beneficial on fats, grease, food etc, but has a much smaller effect on dirt.

dirt by nature (tiny bits of rock, grit) is cleaned best with agitation or pressure.

Hence the fact if you run cold water down a
window pane, then do the same with hot, the difference will be minimal.

It’s the brush and the combination of water that does the cleaning. Granted, hot does make a difference, but it’s minor for window cleaning.

Which is why I went back to cold, and haven’t ever felt the need to invest in a diesel heater. Saying that, I was interested in Rich’s, mainly as it was so small and compact, and ridiculously cheap .

When windows and frames  are cleaned with hot water the end result is night and day up close,you will never get certain parts of the frames cleaned with cold water unless you use chemicals and take 2-3 times as long on it.
Nothing like cleaning with cold water if you want to leave a lovely outline of where the  bird crap once was. 👌

Nigel, this must be the reason I have no customers, it’s because the frames are cleaned with cold water;  therefore customers are looking at the frames with their very own high powered magnifying glasses.

They are seeing these microscopic discrepancies and cancelling me.

Thanks for the heads up.
 

I feel very lucky, against all the odds, I've established a round full of customers who don't inspect the windows with microscopes but do mind having their windows broken. Managed to save myself  10 grand there... Phew...

[NWH]

You can get fooled into thinking every job you do is bang on  hot gives me the confidence so I can work quickly and efficiently,cold doesn’t do that for me.

[Smudger]

"Complete rubbish,water is water when it comes to removing milky white substance from window frames.Using hot water will make no difference at all,if there oxidizing there oxidizing and hot water won`t remove it any better or quicker,take a reading of the temperature of the water at the brush head."

[NBwcs]

You can get fooled into thinking every job you do is bang on  hot gives me the confidence so I can work quickly and efficiently,cold doesn’t do that for me.

That statement says so much more about your own vulnerabilities than it does the merits of spending 10k on a hot water system.

[NWH]

I’m not vulnerable don’t worry I give the best possible clean I can so I use hot water.
With thanks much love and care Nigel Xxx

[Clever Forum Name]

I'm sorry but at £140 they're having your pants down.

That glass is about £40-£60 supply.

I had to replace a thermal bi fold piece of glass and it was £220 fitted!

Windows that size we pay around £60 - £100 fitted (max) Most are around £60-£75 fitted.

In the last 5 years we've replaced about 6 windows all down to goodwill.

You're obviously a regular customer. Better deal. 

 

[Dry Clean]

You can get fooled into thinking every job you do is bang on  hot gives me the confidence so I can work quickly and efficiently,cold doesn’t do that for me.

I do feel for you guys mate, lack of confidence in the wfp method is the reason why many trad guys took such a long time to convert and why many still haven't, luckily a lot of us were able to build our confidence before hot, snake oils and PPB systems came along.

[dazmond]

Professional Hot systems cost less than £5k....where have you guys got £10k from?

[Dry Clean]

Professional Hot systems cost less than £5k....where have you guys got £10k from?

Yes but if you want to get the glass twice as clean you need two.😁

[Dry Clean]

Watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4FKLHUI0FI

[NWH]

Don’t refer to that clip with Squeaky clean Dave it’s not a real world test he is pouring water on glass not in there units or glass that is sealed tight in a window frame,it would have been better if he’d got a piece of glass or a sealed unit that had a small crack in it and then compared the 2.
Glass won’t crack if can flex slightly in a frame or is in unmarked condition,I crack windows once in a blue moon and if you are selective and know what you are doing which windows you can clean with very hot water you’ll have no problem as for confidence and time spent cleaning you won’t get anyone clean windows quicker than me,I am on the glass full flow for a minimal amount of time 8-10 seconds a window in some cases with hot an hour with cold 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[NWH]

Cold cleaners have wydale tanks hybrid poles and Dunlop trainers the pikeys they are 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Dry Clean]

Don’t refer to that clip with Squeaky clean Dave it’s not a real world test he is pouring water on glass not in there units or glass that is sealed tight in a window frame,it would have been better if he’d got a piece of glass or a sealed unit that had a small crack in it and then compared the 2.
Glass won’t crack if can flex slightly in a frame or is in unmarked condition,I crack windows once in a blue moon and if you are selective and know what you are doing which windows you can clean with very hot water you’ll have no problem as for confidence and time spent cleaning you won’t get anyone clean windows quicker than me,I am on the glass full flow for a minimal amount of time 8-10 seconds a window in some cases with hot an hour with cold 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Don't be daft, a drinking glass doesn't need to be in a frame to crack, and 8 to 10 seconds a window says it all. 😁

[NWH]

Put a little crack in a pint glass and pour 60 degree water into it and see for yourself

[Smudger]

Don’t refer to that clip with Squeaky clean Dave it’s not a real world test he is pouring water on glass not in there units or glass that is sealed tight in a window frame,it would have been better if he’d got a piece of glass or a sealed unit that had a small crack in it and then compared the 2.

So if I understand you correctly - if a unit is packed to tight or got a crack in it hot will make it worse - where as cold has no effect on damaging the window at all ? 

Darran

[NWH]

Yeah cold won’t damage the window or the glass Darren but the only trouble is although it won’t damage it the glass won’t be as clean 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Many thanks and all my love Nigel.
Xxxxxxxx