[Smudger]

Just to be controversial - How many of you are window fitters ?

suddenly you all KNOW the glass was packed to tight.....

You chaps really hate it when people assume or know you scratched the glass or broke a pot !!

You'd only know that when taking out and having a look...

Darran

[NWH]

It’s the price you pay to clean glass properly 🤣🤣🤣

[zesty]

So let me get this straight.

You lads have some warm water, which only really benefits you a few months a year.

You inevitable crack windows with it which costs you £100 plus per time .

So it actually costs you more than it earns you. 

When I used hot, it never actually got me more work done, ever.

Let’s face it most window cleaners are home by 3pm or in my case even earlier with or without hot. It’s not like we need hot water to get things done quicker.

I will grant you it’s much nicer to use hot in the cold cold winter. But that’s about it really.

 

 

[dazmond]

So let me get this straight.

You lads have some warm water, which only really benefits you a few months a year.

You inevitable crack windows with it which costs you £100 plus per time .

So it actually costs you more than it earns you. 

When I used hot, it never actually got me more work done, ever.

Let’s face it most window cleaners are home by 3pm or in my case even earlier with or without hot. It’s not like we need hot water to get things done quicker.

I will grant you it’s much nicer to use hot in the cold cold winter. But that’s about it really.

 

 

Ironically hot water is more beneficial in the warmer months for cleaning power...in winter it's just much nicer to work with and no need for thick gloves....

Stick with cold then...rather you than me ...🙂👍

[zesty]

So let me get this straight.

You lads have some warm water, which only really benefits you a few months a year.

You inevitable crack windows with it which costs you £100 plus per time .

So it actually costs you more than it earns you. 

When I used hot, it never actually got me more work done, ever.

Let’s face it most window cleaners are home by 3pm or in my case even earlier with or without hot. It’s not like we need hot water to get things done quicker.

I will grant you it’s much nicer to use hot in the cold cold winter. But that’s about it really.

 

 

Ironically hot water is more beneficial in the warmer months for cleaning power...in winter it's just much nicer to work with and no need for thick gloves....

Stick with cold then...rather you than me ...🙂👍

I’ve used both mate, almost no discernible difference to my day for 9 months of the year. Rather spend my money on hobbies than a diesel hot water heater.

It really is each to their own bud 👍🏼

[NWH]

The thing is you go round with cold water in the ignorance that it does just as good a job as hot does,let me tell you if you use cold water on dirty windows it won’t do as good a job.
This has been talked to death by me and a few others with hot water,I do a fair few insides and when I used to use cold water due to my other heater playing up with battery issues you would miss bits galore,wooden bars stay green with cold water as does other stains on frames etc.
Don’t get confused into thinking it does as good a job as hot, some people just want a window cleaner just because the phones not ringing with complaints some people don’t care I’ve taken loads off cold cleaners and some are like a first clean especially on the frames and sills

[NWH]

A cold system is what we used to call a scrim and hot water is what took over from scrim,we call it a squeegee lol.
Good luck with those wafer thin lines you can’t  get clean on PVC windows you just can’t remove with cold water and chemicals I’ve tried many times.  🤣🤣🤣👌

[Simon Trapani]

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[AuRavelling79]

I'm sorry but at £140 they're having your pants down.

That glass is about £40-£60 supply.

I had to replace a thermal bi fold piece of glass and it was £220 fitted!

Windows that size we pay around £60 - £100 fitted (max) Most are around £60-£75 fitted.

In the last 5 years we've replaced about 6 windows all down to goodwill.

You're obviously a regular customer. Better deal. 

[Slacky]

Windows aren't designed to allow for expansion by hot water.

[NWH]

Nor the sun and cold eh look at a PVC unit out of the frame it has flexible sealer that bonds the 2 pieces of glass together,it does flex.
The problem is if you get a badly made piece of glass,the smallest crack can make a window pop but the way you get round it when using hot water is to keep the brush moving, if you hold it in one spot for too long you’ve a far greater chance of cracking glass.

[zesty]

The thing is you go round with cold water in the ignorance that it does just as good a job as hot does,let me tell you if you use cold water on dirty windows it won’t do as good a job.
This has been talked to death by me and a few others with hot water,I do a fair few insides and when I used to use cold water due to my other heater playing up with battery issues you would miss bits galore,wooden bars stay green with cold water as does other stains on frames etc.
Don’t get confused into thinking it does as good a job as hot, some people just want a window cleaner just because the phones not ringing with complaints some people don’t care I’ve taken loads off cold cleaners and some are like a first clean especially on the frames and sills

I’ve used both. No discernible difference.

Pure water is pure water mate, it could be 1c or 50c, it makes absolutely no difference as long as the water you’re leaving on the glass is pure.

[james peters]

The thing is you go round with cold water in the ignorance that it does just as good a job as hot does,let me tell you if you use cold water on dirty windows it won’t do as good a job.
This has been talked to death by me and a few others with hot water,I do a fair few insides and when I used to use cold water due to my other heater playing up with battery issues you would miss bits galore,wooden bars stay green with cold water as does other stains on frames etc.
Don’t get confused into thinking it does as good a job as hot, some people just want a window cleaner just because the phones not ringing with complaints some people don’t care I’ve taken loads off cold cleaners and some are like a first clean especially on the frames and sills

I’ve used both. No discernible difference.

Pure water is pure water mate, it could be 1c or 50c, it makes absolutely no difference as long as the water you’re leaving on the glass is pure.

true however.....As I live in a soft water area , I am DI only, so I fill my tank with hot water .
obviously  this is not as hot as the hot water systems .......and for the most part its just very warm  water.
what i really like is the hose being nice and soft...
 

[NWH]

It’s the way it dissolves the dirt m8 I did a first clean today spiders webs above the frames and in the corners of the glass gone,I got the job off another cold cleaner the bloke saw me and said is that hot water I said no I’ve just lit the brush that’s all lol.
If you used ubik with every job you did cold it’ll come up something like it does when you use hot 👍

[windowswashed]

I've used both, diesel heater and cold and warm. Cleaned enough windows to know hot makes a difference in removing the stubborn dirt easier.
 A good brush can also save time scrubbing difficult windows. A flocked brush will always remove stubborn dirt easier than a non flocked, same as a compact brush will remove stubborn marks if the bristles are at the right angle to the glass rather than a less densely bunch of bristles laying flat against the glass.
On normal maintenance cleans there isn't much noticeable difference but there is with windows heavily soiled.

[Smudger]

I think there is some confusion between "Dirt" which Hot - boiling or otherwise has no effect on and "Bird strike" which at the time of deposit was warm and soft - therefore any water nearing a temperature of a birds ar$e will soften the deposit and help it come off

Darran

[NWH]

🤣🤣 a birds arse
Many thanks much love
Nigel lol.

[Splash & dash]

Just to be controversial - How many of you are window fitters ?

suddenly you all KNOW the glass was packed to tight.....

You chaps really hate it when people assume or know you scratched the glass or broke a pot !!

You'd only know that when taking out and having a look...

Darran

I have a friend who a window fitter he replaced the 3 that we broke and he said that one was packed to tight and the other 2 had damage under the glazing strip small chips and it had cracked from them . I always try any use people I know as they will give you an honest  appraisal of what’s needed and a fair price

[zesty]

I think there is some confusion between "Dirt" which Hot - boiling or otherwise has no effect on and "Bird strike" which at the time of deposit was warm and soft - therefore any water nearing a temperature of a birds ar$e will soften the deposit and help it come off

Darran

This is something people fail to understand, hot water is beneficial on fats, grease, food etc, but has a much smaller effect on dirt.

dirt by nature (tiny bits of rock, grit) is cleaned best with agitation or pressure.

Hence the fact if you run cold water down a
window pane, then do the same with hot, the difference will be minimal.

It’s the brush and the combination of water that does the cleaning. Granted, hot does make a difference, but it’s minor for window cleaning.

Which is why I went back to cold, and haven’t ever felt the need to invest in a diesel heater. Saying that, I was interested in Rich’s, mainly as it was so small and compact, and ridiculously cheap .

[Granny]

So let me get this straight.

You lads have some warm water, which only really benefits you a few months a year.

You inevitable crack windows with it which costs you £100 plus per time .

So it actually costs you more than it earns you. 

When I used hot, it never actually got me more work done, ever.

Let’s face it most window cleaners are home by 3pm or in my case even earlier with or without hot. It’s not like we need hot water to get things done quicker.

I will grant you it’s much nicer to use hot in the cold cold winter. But that’s about it really.

 

 

Ironically hot water is more beneficial in the warmer months for cleaning power...in winter it's just much nicer to work with and no need for thick gloves....

Stick with cold then...rather you than me ...🙂👍

How does it make any difference i.e. not having to wear thick gloves?
How does hot water in a 8mm hose inside a pole that's about 50 - 60mm diameter  warm your hands?
It's impossible especially if it's cold enough to need thick gloves.