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escorttdi

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employing
« on: March 14, 2021, 12:03:11 pm »
whats all the ins and outs of employing my son ??
what do i need to do / get ?
he dont drive so will be in my van  using my water   pole   reels etc
 
is there a self employed route?

can he rent half the van?  like a hairdresser rents a chair in sallon or ?

what insurances do i need ?


NWH

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Re: employing
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2021, 12:08:00 pm »
You are not going to get any headaches immediately and you can pay him just under 13 grand hassle free really,you’ll need to put  him on you’re public liability and let your accountant know and you can pay the small amount of Nat Ins and Tax for him quarterly it’s easy enough with 1.

SB Cleaning

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Re: employing
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2021, 12:08:24 pm »
You have to take him on the books to do it properly.

Smudger

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Re: employing
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2021, 12:09:27 pm »
If you want him self employed then he really needs his own van and equipment - with hairdresser example they rent a chair but supply their own equipment - they  also (officially) can dictate the hours and days they work - if your son can do that then yes - he needs to invoice you each week/month for your records and his

Personally I would do the PAYE route - so he's got some payment in for NI/pension etc...

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

NWH

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Re: employing
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2021, 12:09:44 pm »
Whatever you pay him just tell the accountant and they should do the rest it’s not as stressful as you think having an accountant takes a lot of stress away.

escorttdi

  • Posts: 265
Re: employing
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2021, 12:53:31 pm »
cheers boys
will a need public and employers liability insurance ?
whats all the pension scheme that you have to offer?

when  can you sack him ?  if he takes pish oot of the holiday/ sick / days of etc
what bout bank hols ? do you just give him what he earns or do you have to give him more  ie time and half or dare a say double time

escorttdi

  • Posts: 265
Re: employing
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2021, 12:55:53 pm »
If you want him self employed then he really needs his own van and equipment - with hairdresser example they rent a chair but supply their own equipment - they  also (officially) can dictate the hours and days they work - if your son can do that then yes - he needs to invoice you each week/month for your records and his

Personally I would do the PAYE route - so he's got some payment in for NI/pension etc...

what if i say its his pole   reel etc   av 2 tanks in van so could a say one is his?

Darran

KS Cleaning

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Re: employing
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2021, 01:09:22 pm »
cheers boys
will a need public and employers liability insurance ?
whats all the pension scheme that you have to offer?

when  can you sack him ?  if he takes pish oot of the holiday/ sick / days of etc
what bout bank hols ? do you just give him what he earns or do you have to give him more  ie time and half or dare a say double time
You don’t need employers liability insurance for a family member.

NWH

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Re: employing
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2021, 01:33:22 pm »
I wouldn’t worry too much about holiday etc when he’s off sick you’ll be glad of the day off without him so you can have a break from watching him constantly on his phone 😂🤣🤣.

Smudger

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Re: employing
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2021, 02:50:22 pm »
cheers boys
will a need public and employers liability insurance ?
whats all the pension scheme that you have to offer?

when  can you sack him ?  if he takes pish oot of the holiday/ sick / days of etc
what bout bank hols ? do you just give him what he earns or do you have to give him more  ie time and half or dare a say double time

You really need to put a proper bit of research in - look up some employment web-site etc..
If you have an accountant then they can do it all (for a fee) but its very straightforward
Terms of employment is for you to set out - again use government web site to see what's allowed and reasonable

You can say he is self employed - make up what fibs you like to justify it, - (you could even make him a partner with 1% share holding altho this may bring other costs when doing accounts ) if you are just employing on the cheap to avoid tax or paperwork then thats done at your own risk - as said as a self employed he just bills you weekly/monthly you pay him - he then sorts his own tax out - on this arrangement he can refuse to work if he doesn't want to - likewise you don't have to give him work either

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

NWH

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Re: employing
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2021, 03:05:18 pm »
Just employ him it’ll cost about a grand  on Tax and Nat ins for the first nearly 13 grand + a bit extra on the accountants fees,you don’t want to start worrying until you get up to somewhere near the Vat limit expenses like equipment a change of van will keep costs down within the first few years.

escorttdi

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Re: employing
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2021, 08:53:46 pm »
what does he need to make   3x his wage or 4 x his wage  or???

Steven Biggs

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Re: employing
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2021, 09:40:02 pm »
Make him a partner

escorttdi

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Re: employing
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2021, 10:20:45 pm »
tell us more steven    how   why    for  againsts