[shammy davis jnr]

have to do this, have a guy workin for me who on the odd occasion comes out reekin of drink  and i mean bad
what do i do  how do u prove he had been at before work
our is it from the night before?
in which i feel i cant do much if it is if he says he had a few in the house last night  who am i
how do u deal with this he dosent drive for my company so drink drivin dont come into it
and he is 54 been employed for 10 years with me  so a good loyal employee
its a tricky one  i usualy say you stink off drink get it sorted his reply is i had a few watching footy last night 
what do u do
if i sack him can i be sued without proving this as fact that he is under the infulance
he works all day long and is a good cleaner
any sugestions ..........
yours the davis

[windows_chepstow]

Davis,

There's not much you can do.  In the army in my last posting, I had two soldiers who were both alcoholics; most soldiers enjoy a drink; but these guys kicked the arse out of it.

They would turn up for work, mostly on time, smelling of booze, bleary-eyed and not looking as smart as they should've been.

Unless they messed up, there wasn't much I could do.  I did advise them to see the medical officer and have a chat with him, but neither of them did.

I did put one on a three month warning order, or rather the Commanding Officer did, on my advice, but he didn't improve.  In the end, I gave him a 'satisfactory' report; it was either that or he would've been discharged from the army.  He was a Sergeant too, which also embarrassed me.  It's one thing having to discipline a Private soldier for not washing and smelling of body odour; but a Sergeant is a different matter.

Neither of them had any family or domestic problems either.  They just drank far too much.

There's not much you can do really; especially given your history together.

If I were you, I would be firm, fair but friendly on a day-to-day basis and if he gets it wrong, give him ample warning to sort himself out; and when he still gets it wrong; sack him.

It could be the shock he needs to sort himself out.

[jouk45]

tell him, if its drink from the night before, to use a strong mouth wash and strong mints, so the customers dont think hes been drinking on the job, or get a whift of his breath,

[windows_chepstow]

Oh, I even organised early morning physical training for my Troop; thinking that these two guys would refrain from over doing the drink with the prospect of an early morning 'beasting'.

It didn't work.  They just turned up stinking of drink at 6.00 am and cracked on at the back.

So we all suffered really.

[jouk45]

tosh, i could just imagne arriving at your work at 8am, right lads hit the deck give me 50    lol

[Clear Vision]

Oh, I even organised early morning physical training for my Troop; thinking that these two guys would refrain from over doing the drink with the prospect of an early morning 'beasting'.

It didn't work.  They just turned up stinking of drink at 6.00 am and cracked on at the back.

So we all suffered really.

Yes sir!

[Cleaner Windows]

sooooo glad i didnt join the army

[Londoner]

Drinkers, unfortunately, never change. They will tell you all sort of things to make you think thay have, but once they are on that road they can't get off.

[gaza]

VINCE:Iwhent out when Iwas 18 to a party and didnt come back till Iwas 38 god was that some party. NNow Ihardly drinnk[do you believe that]true.

 gaza

[Paul Coleman]

VINCE:Iwhent out when Iwas 18 to a party and didnt come back till Iwas 38 god was that some party. NNow Ihardly drinnk[do you believe that]true.

 gaza

I went out to the pub for an evening once and didn't go home for a week.  I don't drink these days.  The stuff's too much trouble.

[gaza]

WHY TROUBLE? Did you get arrested? or was it found a lady while out?
 gaza

[Paul Coleman]

WHY TROUBLE? Did you get arrested? or was it found a lady while out?
 gaza

I didn't get arrested.  Much of the rest was a blur so not sure.

[Trevor Knight]

have to do this, have a guy workin for me who on the odd occasion comes out reekin of drink and i mean bad
what do i do how do u prove he had been at before work
our is it from the night before?
in which i feel i cant do much if it is if he says he had a few in the house last night who am i
how do u deal with this he dosent drive for my company so drink drivin dont come into it
and he is 54 been employed for 10 years with me so a good loyal employee
its a tricky one i usualy say you stink off drink get it sorted his reply is i had a few watching footy last night
what do u do
if i sack him can i be sued without proving this as fact that he is under the infulance
he works all day long and is a good cleaner
any sugestions ..........
yours the davis

10 years/ 20 years what does it matter??

If he has an accident and the ambulance or police are called you will be in HOT water for allowing him to work whilst unfit through drink.

You companies reputation will be harmed as well!

If this was me I would have a strong word with him, the next time I would send him home without pay if he turned up stinking of beer. If this was ignored I would give him a written warning, if that didn't work I would give him his 2nd written and final warning, then I would sack him. This way you have followed proceedure and he can't sue your for anything!

I know he is loyal and all that but what would you do if he was 20ft up a ladder, overstretched and fell, hurt himself badly or worse or managed to hurt a passer by, maybe his ladder lands on top of an expensive posh car!!!

Yes Mr Insurance, I knew he was drunk!! Lead boots and deep water spring to mind.

Sorry, just saying it how it is.

No offence mean't.

Trev

[Londoner]

Trouble is if you notice it the customers will too

[Paul Coleman]

have to do this, have a guy workin for me who on the odd occasion comes out reekin of drink  and i mean bad
what do i do  how do u prove he had been at before work
our is it from the night before?
in which i feel i cant do much if it is if he says he had a few in the house last night  who am i
how do u deal with this he dosent drive for my company so drink drivin dont come into it
and he is 54 been employed for 10 years with me  so a good loyal employee
its a tricky one  i usualy say you stink off drink get it sorted his reply is i had a few watching footy last night 
what do u do
if i sack him can i be sued without proving this as fact that he is under the infulance
he works all day long and is a good cleaner
any sugestions ..........
yours the davis

Maybe have a look at

http://www.value-breathalysers.co.uk/

Maybe give advance warning that you intend to start breath testing employees if there is a suspicion they have been drinking and rewrite your employment contracts accordingly.  You would need to make some allowance for previous nights drinking though as it can still show on the breath.  If the guy has a problem with the stuff, give him one chance to get sorted?  If you continue to employ someone under detrimental conditions, you are not doing any favours - not even to the guy himself.  You could even leave the door open for re-employment later on if he sorts himself out and has a good attitude about it.

[ecowasher]

As his employer you have an obligation to protect him in the workplace,  even if that means protecting him from himself.

I would issue a formal letter to him,  stating that due to health and safety issues it is now company policy to have 'no alcohol policy.   If you have any suspicion that he has been on the booze the night before,  ie you can smell it / sense from his actions that he is not with it,  then remove him from the workplace without pay  (this falls under the 'unfit for work category).

Before removing him from the workplace,  confront him politely and inform him that (for whatever reason) you believe that he is under the influence of alcohol in the workplace.  If he says yes,  then remove him.  The next day issue a letter stating that he was removed from the workplace for health and safety reasons, - ie under the influence of alcohol in the workplace,  and keep a copy.

When it happens again,  remove him again and issue another letter the next day explaining that this is the second occurance and that any further instances will not be tolerated,  and will be considered to be gross misconduct. (keep a copy again).

When it happens again,  hes fired,  without a leg to stand on,  and by the sounds of it righty so as this guy is a bad accidnet waiting to happen,  just not to himself,  but to the public,  yourself, and peoples property.

Grant.

[brett walker]

VINCE:Iwhent out when Iwas 18 to a party and didnt come back till Iwas 38 god was that some party. NNow Ihardly drinnk[do you believe that]true.

 gaza

Gaza

Now i know why you dont start till 10 in the morning,  to get your breath fresh from the 7 nights and 2 dinners drinking 

cheers

Brett

[shammy davis jnr]

thanks for the replys so far as i said  its a tricky one
i think he is being ignorant to him self his workmates and me esp ,,the reason i tell him he stinks of it is to let him know that i know,and he knows what im like i would p45 his ass in a min ....if i knew for a fact he had had a tipple before work but its the night before senario ....
i mean breathelisers tell you you cant drive would these stand up at a tribunaral in the work place
heres one  he stinks a bit of drink  falls off a top ladder on top off one off his work mates both injured  badly .
it goes to court
his work mate says he was half cut and smelling of drink  i say i could not smell anything of him in the morning  when i sent them out  and he says he cant remember a thing after the fall and the blow to his head 
hey it could happen  i was just wondering  how this would all go for me the employer  has this type of thing ever happened to any one 
if i knew for a fact he was drinking i would teach him a lesson and sue him for gross miss conduct  just to teach him and outhers like him a lesson  sounds harsh but in this day and age you cant take crap like that ......that would make his sphinkter valve work beter than a few beers ill tell ya .........

[beefy]

i have a really good mate who's a chronic alky hes also a vgood w/cleaner he doesn't work anymore but hes helped me out a few times. if hes off the drink hes sound but if hes had one he will lie about it he says himself dont believe a word if he smells of drink hes worked twice when i wasnt sure but only on bottoms its really too risky. you dont stink of drink in the morning after only a few pints it takes either a good sesh or very late drinking. to be honest firing him might be doing him a favour letting him get away with it wont. i know what im on about i've had problems with the pop meself

[shammy davis jnr]

cheers beefy
bet hes a realy good guy without a bevi in him its the devil and the deep blue ,, i supose  sack him and he would brob hit the self distruct button would hate to see that ..
but they say they need to hit rock bottom before they realy know the script