[dazmond]

I first tried hot water with a gas shower heater years ago now..loved it....then I broke the heater when it went to -10 one night over xmas,bought another one then upgraded my van and fitted it into my new van,then i had a small explosion(gas leak),so I chucked it and tried to convince myself that cold water was just as good as hot for a few months....I then bought a diesel heater just over 3 years ago now.......never looked back.....

I just prefer working with hot water......

I do think the immersions fitted in insulated tanks will be the main way wi ndow cleaners heat their water in the future because we ll all be forced to buy electric vans in a few years and I dont think the diesel heaters will be a convenient option by then....

[chris turner]

I first tried hot water with a gas shower heater years ago now..loved it....then I broke the heater when it went to -10 one night over xmas,bought another one then upgraded my van and fitted it into my new van,then i had a small explosion(gas leak),so I chucked it and tried to convince myself that cold water was just as good as hot for a few months....I then bought a diesel heater just over 3 years ago now.......never looked back.....

I just prefer working with hot water......

I do think the immersions fitted in insulated tanks will be the main way wi ndow cleaners heat their water in the future because we ll all be forced to buy electric vans in a few years and I dont think the diesel heaters will be a convenient option by then....

Hopefully someone can make a dedicated heated tank by then. Rather then a single element i would love to see a heated grid type system in the tank that runs off something like 2.4 kw and better distributes the heat around the tank.
Maybe even have a function that can connect to electric vehicle battery to run at small intervals to keep the water hot.

[NWH]

The main thing apart from all the bum flufferies like warm hands soft hoses no freezing etc is that it gives you more confidence with what you’re cleaning,you may think cold is as good everyone’s entitled to their opinion but out of the 1000s of windows you clean they don’t all get checked.
Just because the phones not ringing with the job not being bang on means nothing.
There’s no magic wand non of us do a perfect job every time hot or cold but you’ve a far better chance with hot and that’s why it gives you more of an advantage,forget it it’s only good for really dirty stuff it cleans everything better.

[Dry Clean]

The main thing apart from all the bum flufferies like warm hands soft hoses no freezing etc is that it gives you more confidence with what you’re cleaning,you may think cold is as good everyone’s entitled to their opinion but out of the 1000s of windows you clean they don’t all get checked.
Just because the phones not ringing with the job not being bang on means nothing.
There’s no magic wand non of us do a perfect job every time hot or cold but you’ve a far better chance with hot and that’s why it gives you more of an advantage,forget it it’s only good for really dirty stuff it cleans everything better.

More confidence ? thankfully I have plenty,  and the only opinion's that count are from those who pay me to clean their windows,
same old rubbish from those who like their toys and for some reason constantly feel they need to justify them, I don't need my over priced over the top phone, I just wanted one. 😁

[NWH]

Ok so why don’t you just get a hot water system like me then coz thats what I do when they go wrong I just buy another one lol,more like you’re one of these people that pay 50-60 notes a month for a phone you mean you should have done what I did if you like your toys just buy one outright 🤣🤣🤣

[C.C.S.]

I've used one of this last night for 3-4 hours and got the water in my tanks to 32-32 degrees.  It made a difference to my working day already. Softer hoses ,some bird mark came off easier. 
I'll be ordering another one as I have 2 x250 l tanks joined together .
I'll also be looking at insulating the tank too.
For what they cost I think I can't go.wrong

 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265050571283

[Dry Clean]

Ok so why don’t you just get a hot water system like me then coz thats what I do when they go wrong I just buy another one lol,more like you’re one of these people that pay 50-60 notes a month for a phone you mean you should have done what I did if you like your toys just buy one outright 🤣🤣🤣

Iv tried hot water and it made no difference to my working day speed or other, I get no complaints or cancellations due to quality therefore I'm not concerned about it, so to answer your question unlike my phone its just not a toy that would give me any pleasure wasting my money on. 

[NWH]

Yeah yeah go back to sleep 💤

[Dry Clean]

Yeah yeah go back to sleep 💤

[NWH]

Good night 🛌

[windowswashed]

I've two questions regarding the debate between cleaning with hot or cold water. Why do so many people choose to pre soak roasting trays,  pyrex dishes etc in hot water prior to hand washing? Why do people prefer to use hot water over cold to hand wash dishes? 
Ever had a coffee or tea ring stain around the inside of the cup or mug and noticed how much quicker and simpler hot water lifts the mark compared to cold water, same principle applies to using hot water over cold for wfp by coincidence, I find it quite amusing the hot / cold debate.
I've used a calorifier tank run off the van radiator to heat my water for wfp and also used a diesel heater for wfp. I've also used cold water for wfp. I know the benefits of using hot over cold and the savings that can be made using cold water so I will always sit on the fence on this debate and remain neutral but smile knowing the advantages and disadvantages of both.

[motod]

Hopefully someone can make a dedicated heated tank by then.

Is there a reason why, no one offers electric/immersion heated tanks, but preffer to sell webasto/diesssel heaters?

[Jonny 87]

Hopefully someone can make a dedicated heated tank by then.

Is there a reason why, no one offers electric/immersion heated tanks, but preffer to sell webasto/diesssel heaters?

Stephen Scargill made me a custom immersion tank that was insulated. It was brilliant. I sold my van with it included though. I think he’s with a company now, it was mentioned in here before.

I’ve got a Grippatank webasto system now, but if I wasn’t as busy as I was, I would definitely go for the same immersion set up.

It’s frost protection, warm water, and comfortable working.

The advantage of grippa system and other Webastos is the simplicity. Flick a switch and I’ve got piping hot water, I can top up my tank at lunch time and still have piping hot water. It just costs thousands more. For me right now, it’s worth it.

Immersions really do have their place though.

[Simon Trapani]

Webasto heaters etc are much more efficient than immersion heaters. It’s on demand as apposed to heating a whole tank of water. Also have the benefit of froststat heating your reels & returning to tank. That’s my understanding of it.

[chris turner]

Hopefully someone can make a dedicated heated tank by then.

Is there a reason why, no one offers electric/immersion heated tanks, but preffer to sell webasto/diesssel heaters?

 

I have an immersion tank from Stephen scargill that was built to spec.
It is great but of course there are minor negatives such as cold spots and water cooling through the day.
I'm just saying if some egghead put their mind there surely is a better way..

[Smudger]

I've two questions regarding the debate between cleaning with hot or cold water. Why do so many people choose to pre soak roasting trays,  pyrex dishes etc in hot water prior to hand washing? Why do people prefer to use hot water over cold to hand wash dishes? 
Ever had a coffee or tea ring stain around the inside of the cup or mug and noticed how much quicker and simpler hot water lifts the mark compared to cold water, same principle applies to using hot water over cold for wfp by coincidence, I find it quite amusing the hot / cold debate.
I've used a calorifier tank run off the van radiator to heat my water for wfp and also used a diesel heater for wfp. I've also used cold water for wfp. I know the benefits of using hot over cold and the savings that can be made using cold water so I will always sit on the fence on this debate and remain neutral but smile knowing the advantages and disadvantages of both.

why do we wash dishes with hot water - why clean cloths with hot water ?
simple - you need detergent which works better at high temp to work on the grease - hot water also softens items that were once soft and now solidified - the question is how much frying pan fat do you find on your windows.....?

Dirt is not solidified anything it does not resolve in hot water - hot/cold have the same effect - this part of the job is purely down to your scrubbing and flow.

now stubborn bird poo and salt do react to hot water - so if your on the coast then this will help and if you suffer loads of bird poo there is a benefit

And without question I prefer the soft hoses and warming of the pole.

But here's the rub -

Nearly everyone says hot has a benefit - but does the cost (diesel heater) outweigh the advantages  - NO (IMO) -

I can achieve 35 degrees quite easily with immersion heater, and as Gazza found out it stays warm all day

bird poo will melt with a temp of 30 degrees c. and salt at a mere 25 - these temps are more than adequate to use hot at a low cost of £100 and somewhere between  £2 and £5 per night with added her protection against frost

The debate/rage starts when those who have wanted to spend 5k want to constantly undermine ANY other form of heating water - silly statements like our hot is better tha =n yours has just lead to a breakdown in decent debates

Darran

[Smudger]

Hopefully someone can make a dedicated heated tank by then.

Is there a reason why, no one offers electric/immersion heated tanks, but preffer to sell webasto/diesssel heaters?

 

I have an immersion tank from Stephen scargill that was built to spec.
It is great but of course there are minor negatives such as cold spots and water cooling through the day.
I'm just saying if some egghead put their mind there surely is a better way..

if you want to eliminate hot spot buy a small wave maker for an aquarium this circulates water between 400 and 2000 litres an hour - works like a charm

Darran

[motod]

Thanks All! I understand differences, still not sure why none of main systems supliers (grippa, ionics, PF, stremeline etc) don't offer immersion heater instalation as an option? It clearly works for many people and should be availiable fitted and tested proffesionally 

[KS Cleaning]

Thanks All! I understand differences, still not sure why none of main systems supliers (grippa, ionics, PF, stremeline etc) don't offer immersion heater instalation as an option? It clearly works for many people and should be availiable fitted and tested proffesionally 

They will never offer an immersion element installation, they wouldn’t be able to command silly prices because they are an easy DIY fit. Diesel systems on the other hand require a professional install so they can charge what they like......and do.

[chris turner]

Thanks All! I understand differences, still not sure why none of main systems supliers (grippa, ionics, PF, stremeline etc) don't offer immersion heater instalation as an option? It clearly works for many people and should be availiable fitted and tested proffesionally 

They will never offer an immersion element installation, they wouldn’t be able to command silly prices because they are an easy DIY fit. Diesel systems on the other hand require a professional install so they can charge what they like......and do.

I think if they offered immersion tanks in the 2.4kw range with an in built wave machine like smudger mentioned, in around the £1500 - £2000 price range, I reckon they would easily sell.
They could even wire it all to a control unit where you could set the temperature and timer etc and all you have to do is plug it in at night.