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Simon Trapani

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Booster pump controller
« on: February 06, 2021, 04:13:21 pm »
Already got a static system with ibc & 4040. Am toying with the idea of a 230v booster pump to speed up production. Sticking point has been cost of controller to switch of the booster pump. I currently just have a 12v solenoid & float switch to switch off the water but obviously that won’t switch off the booster pump. My friend is an electrician & said a 12/230 relay such as this should work. Anyone know. Spruce maybe?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5V-1-2-4-8-Channel-Relay-Board-Module-Optocoupler-LED-for-Arduino-PiC-ARM-AVR-dr-/274463367469?var=&hash=item3fe74aa12d

Ched

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Re: Booster pump controller
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2021, 04:21:10 pm »
The ones you linked to are for Arduino control (little computers).
If you have 12v DC pressure switches etc then I would use something like this: http://ebay.to/2My62ug. It will allow your 12v DC pressure switch to control upto 10Amps 240vac. You will need to put it in a box as the mains connections will be exposed otherwise.

richard connett

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Re: Booster pump controller
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2021, 04:39:05 pm »
Have you considered plugging in the booster to a timer plug . Set it to come on for say 4 hrs straight after you fill the van

Bungle

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Re: Booster pump controller
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2021, 04:49:06 pm »
Hi Simon, I have this https://www.xline-systems.co.uk/xline-shop/filters-filter-systems/filter-systems/240v-booster-pump-with-electronic-shutoff-detail (bought mine from Gardiners) and this https://purefreedom.co.uk/auto-shut-off-kit.html. The system will shut down when the IBC is full.

I can leave my RO to fill without having to keep an eye on it. I tend to put a timer on it when filling just in case there's a failure and it over fills.
We look at them, they look through them.

Spruce

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Re: Booster pump controller
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2021, 05:09:41 pm »
Hi Simon, I have this https://www.xline-systems.co.uk/xline-shop/filters-filter-systems/filter-systems/240v-booster-pump-with-electronic-shutoff-detail (bought mine from Gardiners) and this https://purefreedom.co.uk/auto-shut-off-kit.html. The system will shut down when the IBC is full.

I can leave my RO to fill without having to keep an eye on it. I tend to put a timer on it when filling just in case there's a failure and it over fills.

This is what I would use.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIcImRh-9yc

Ched's post is also interesting.
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Simon Trapani

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Re: Booster pump controller
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2021, 05:19:45 pm »
Have you considered plugging in the booster to a timer plug . Set it to come on for say 4 hrs straight after you fill the van
Don’t really want a timer.

Simon Trapani

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Re: Booster pump controller
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2021, 05:22:34 pm »
Hi Simon, I have this https://www.xline-systems.co.uk/xline-shop/filters-filter-systems/filter-systems/240v-booster-pump-with-electronic-shutoff-detail (bought mine from Gardiners) and this https://purefreedom.co.uk/auto-shut-off-kit.html. The system will shut down when the IBC is full.

I can leave my RO to fill without having to keep an eye on it. I tend to put a timer on it when filling just in case there's a failure and it over fills.
Why do you need a timer Bungle if you’ve got a shut-off & float valve?

Simon Trapani

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Re: Booster pump controller
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2021, 05:27:54 pm »
I’ve already got a 12v solenoid & float valve that works great. Also have an overlow as it did fail once & my garage was covered in an inch of water.

Also, would I need a new membrane as i currently have the low pressure one? Not sure if it’s the hf4 or hf5. I’d have to check back my receipts.

And are booster pumps noisy as my garage containing the static is attached to my house & my bedroom is above?

And what’s the difference between your controller Bungle & this?: https://purefreedom.co.uk/large-booster-controller-for-static-systems.html

Thanks all.

Bungle

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Re: Booster pump controller
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2021, 05:47:42 pm »
Hi Simon, I have this https://www.xline-systems.co.uk/xline-shop/filters-filter-systems/filter-systems/240v-booster-pump-with-electronic-shutoff-detail (bought mine from Gardiners) and this https://purefreedom.co.uk/auto-shut-off-kit.html. The system will shut down when the IBC is full.

I can leave my RO to fill without having to keep an eye on it. I tend to put a timer on it when filling just in case there's a failure and it over fills.
Why do you need a timer Bungle if you’ve got a shut-off & float valve?

Just in case the float fails. I've flooded the garage a few times. It happened a few times after I bought my IBC. There were shards of plastic left in the bottom after the top of the tank had been cut to fit my transfer pump. It got me paranoid. Also, the booster leaks a little bit if the tank is full but the tap is still turned on. Not a major problem but I don't want to blow a seal in the pump.
We look at them, they look through them.

Simon Trapani

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Re: Booster pump controller
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2021, 06:01:47 pm »
I think that’s what the guy is saying in Spruce’s link at the start of the video. Some sort of added pressure switch for when tank is full to avoid connections leaking or blowing off In the youtube video though he is is using hoselock or similar connectors. I’d want jg, screw fittings or something more trustworthy.

Spruce

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Re: Booster pump controller
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2021, 06:06:19 pm »
I think that’s what the guy is saying in Spruce’s link at the start if the video. Some sort of added pressure switch for when tank is full to avoid connections leaking or blowing off In the youtube video though he is is using hoselock or similar connectors. I’d want jg, scree fittings or something more trustworthy.

https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/clarke-epc800-electronic-water-pump-control-un/

You can get them cheaper elsewhere.

Machine Mart sell them with a booster pump.
https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/cbm240e-1in-multi-stage-230v-booster-pum/

Its a similar cut off switch on this 240e.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Simon Trapani

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Re: Booster pump controller
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2021, 07:11:37 pm »
Ok thanks all.

Weighing it all up that machine mart one looks like a nice neat solution Spruce. I will probably go with that if I do it at all. Just hope it’s not too noisy. Any idea how long it would take to fill a 1000lt ibc?


I already have an external Clarke transfer pump & has lasted me 10 years plus so far as I didn’t want to cut my ibc.

Lee GLS

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Re: Booster pump controller
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2021, 07:19:10 pm »
This is what you want, same as the machine mart one spruce posted but also cheaper.

Merry Tools HK Water Pump Automatic Pressure Control Electronic Switch for Water Pump 151015 https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00BKXWKR2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_CRY0M9Q2FGD9PWZSBJ80?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

Simon Trapani

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Re: Booster pump controller
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2021, 07:37:42 pm »
Ok thanks. I’d still need to price a pump though.

mac74

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Re: Booster pump controller
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2021, 08:27:00 pm »
I use this booster, takes me from 38psi to 80psi (sweet spot). Its been good for years, i use it with a ball cock, a overflow and a plug timer. But it could be used with the above controller if u want.
https://www.lawson-his.co.uk/draper-56227-sp100-4-100-l-min-max-1000-w-230-v-multistage-surface-mounted-pump?gclid=Cj0KCQiAmfmABhCHARIsACwPRAA10dQ6ObtoHw5NiV9JFemB2araYHUOlIf0yogAupN7hyy3SJUMxaoaAgozEALw_wcB

Simon Trapani

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Re: Booster pump controller
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2021, 09:01:10 pm »
Thanks Mac. Now I got lots to think about!

Also found this thread elsewhere about the pump Spruce recommended in case anybody else needs it for reference. (I see you also posted on it Spruce):

https://windowanother place.co.uk/topic/18421-clarke-cbm240e-booster-pump-fittings-help-please/


Simon Trapani

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Re: Booster pump controller
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2021, 09:06:48 pm »
How pathetic that cleanitup won’t let me post a link to another forum. Apologies guys. You’ll have to use your imagination & edit the above link.

andyralph

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Re: Booster pump controller
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2021, 10:07:40 pm »
Hi go on Amazon put in float switch and you will c a yellow and blue switch I use one drill a hole in top of tank and set it to cut off a required amount of water think I paid about 15 pound cheers andy

Simon Trapani

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Re: Booster pump controller
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2021, 01:30:27 pm »
Update...

So I bought the Clarke booster pump & controller Spruce suggested. Also changed back to 2 pre-filters as suggested by June at Gaps Water as fibredynes can collapse with a booster pump. Gone for 20” this time. System seems to be working great so far (1 hour or so). Tds down very slightly but production has definitely increased. Haven’t tested the run dry/cut off of the booster yet as I’m waiting/hoping my float switch will still cut in after I totally dismantled my system.

Only problem I seem to have is the pressure gauges on the pre-filters work fine until I activate the booster pump when they go to zero??? Any ideas why anyone?

I’ll upload some pics when i figure out how. Doesn’t seem to like the file size or format.

Simon Trapani

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Re: Booster pump controller
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2021, 01:32:56 pm »


Still a bit if a lashup for now as I ran out of tubing & connectors.