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Ggh

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Re: Gardiners Jet Capsules
« Reply #40 on: February 05, 2021, 03:35:53 pm »
We’ve several brushes with jets missing.

RPCCS

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Re: Gardiners Jet Capsules
« Reply #41 on: February 05, 2021, 07:37:59 pm »
Alex the majority of posts in this thread fund the jet capsules not popular,can we get an update from yourself please mate regarding any possible return to selling the old jets again? Or at least having the choice when buying a new brush to use capsules or original jets.  Your poles and brushes are the best on the market I M O, is there any way this can happen?
Cheers Rich

Smudger

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Re: Gardiners Jet Capsules
« Reply #42 on: February 05, 2021, 08:21:46 pm »
My honest opinion is you won't return to brass jets - too much time and tooling is involved - I have used these and liked them very much - but using streamline brushes at present with a similar system with no problem.

realistically, if Alex has 50k sets out and about I doubt half a dozen moaners ( no offence ) will alter the brushes

If overall sales the a down turn and they get hundreds of complaints then - maybe

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

Re: Gardiners Jet Capsules
« Reply #43 on: February 05, 2021, 10:36:35 pm »
i broke  15 or 16  stems in 8 months       

in 6 months  i have broken    nil     capsule pods 

you people must have a bad batch

KS Cleaning

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Re: Gardiners Jet Capsules
« Reply #44 on: February 06, 2021, 12:13:57 am »
i broke  15 or 16  stems in 8 months       

in 6 months  i have broken    nil     capsule pods 

you people must have a bad batch
You must have had a bad batch of stems😁

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Gardiners Jet Capsules
« Reply #45 on: February 08, 2021, 12:20:48 pm »
Alex the majority of posts in this thread fund the jet capsules not popular,can we get an update from yourself please mate regarding any possible return to selling the old jets again? Or at least having the choice when buying a new brush to use capsules or original jets.  Your poles and brushes are the best on the market I M O, is there any way this can happen?

Thanks for the feedback everyone. 

RPCCS – I agree that if I was basing my information on just this thread then we would have a problem 😊 We do value the opinion of the 9 posters that have posted on this thread and are not happy with the jet capsules, but we have the advantage of having interactions with over 20,000 customers using these jets and the numbers that have issues are a small fraction of a percent of users.

These jets have been out in the field for over 18 months now and the vast majority (99%+) of users do not have an issue with them at all. From those that have communicated issues to us we have collated their information and seen that there are measures that can be taken to prevent the issue happening again for them.  These are our findings:

Problem -
1. Using a Univalve – repeated pulling action of this modification will pull apart the jet capsules – with the previous jet design, the T connector or the plastic fanjets used to get damaged by this action
2. Using a swivel – can put extra strain on full swivel
3. Catching on bushes/door handles/etc. – this has always caused damage and can affect jet capsules, T connectors and old style fanjets

The jet capsules are tough and will last a long time in standard use – generally they will outlast the brush itself and can then be re-used.  However once the jet capsule ring has been pulled out the first time it will not successfully work again, even if pushed back in – this is because the metal teeth inside will have damaged and worn away the plastic mount and then when pushed back in, it will be easier to pull out again – the only solution once happened is to replace or glue in.

When a customer has contacted us with an issue as above, we troubleshoot through the reason why this may have happened and advise accordingly – not to ‘find fault’ just to ‘find out the cause’ in each case.  As a gesture of goodwill we will replace the jet capsule in this first instance at our cost (even if the setup is modified from standard), along with our recommendations to prevent the issue happening again.

Solution -
1. Using a Univalve – The solution here is to pull through enough gooseneck tube and then secure the tube so that the hard pulling on the Univalve cannot damage the connections. Soon this will not be needed when we fully switch across to our new gooseneck design.
2. Using a swivel – If using a swivel then extra hose also will need pulling through before clamping (similar to when using a univalve) as the hose length needs increasing when on full swivel.  Soon this also will not be needed when we fully switch across to our new gooseneck design.
3. Catching on bushes/door handles/etc. – some users find this happens frequently and for such users the Close Coupled Jet Assembly not only protects the jet capsules, but removes the jet hose loops and makes working around handles/bushes etc. much easier.

Once you have everything in place for your particular set-up/style of cleaning, you should have no further problems as many forum members have already said. If you need help working through the solution, then please get in contact with our team at sales@gardinerpolesystems.co.uk who will be happy to help.

NWH

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Re: Gardiners Jet Capsules
« Reply #46 on: February 08, 2021, 12:47:03 pm »
Never had a problem with these capsules am I right in thinking that the green jets would be better in the 4 jet brush being that they are smaller Alex for a better flow.

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Gardiners Jet Capsules
« Reply #47 on: February 08, 2021, 12:50:26 pm »
Never had a problem with these capsules am I right in thinking that the green jets would be better in the 4 jet brush being that they are smaller Alex for a better flow.

Hi NWH

It is the Blue jets that are the smaller size (1.4mm)

Yes correct the smaller jets are better suited to a 4 jet setup in a wider brush.

NWH

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Re: Gardiners Jet Capsules
« Reply #48 on: February 08, 2021, 01:23:25 pm »
Thanks

Mike Burd

Re: Gardiners Jet Capsules
« Reply #49 on: February 08, 2021, 01:26:17 pm »
Just to put my view in. We’ve had numerous breakages plus one arriving with one of the parts missing. I was made to jump through hoops to get a replacement too and only got a replacement as “a gesture of goodwill” which irritated me.

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Re: Gardiners Jet Capsules
« Reply #50 on: February 08, 2021, 02:01:52 pm »
I changed to the capsules about 8-9 months ago, and although the application has very limited benefit to me ( I only ever use 2mm pencil jets) I have had zero issues.  I use both a swivel and a univalve too. However, I use the close coupled system and it's set up in a way that allows complete free movement of the swivel and tension free pull to operate the univalve. Not had a single issue yet.
Comfortably Numb!

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Gardiners Jet Capsules
« Reply #51 on: February 08, 2021, 02:31:58 pm »
Just to put my view in. We’ve had numerous breakages plus one arriving with one of the parts missing. I was made to jump through hoops to get a replacement too and only got a replacement as “a gesture of goodwill” which irritated me.

Hi 8 Weekly

I have just looked up your account details and I can see that you were sent one of the jets missing its lock collar, so we sent out a replacement unit for you. I can see that you did express your ‘irritation’ at the time that the Sales Team member had used the phrase Gesture of Goodwill when replacing for you – whether this phrase was correct or not in this case, I am pleased to see that the replacement part was sent out to you on receipt of a photo of the issue.

We have no record of any other issues with your jet capsules on our system – so do any of the scenarios mentioned in my post above apply to you also – are you using a univalve, swivel, catching or a combination of all? Happy to try and sort this out for you  :)

C.C.S.

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Re: Gardiners Jet Capsules
« Reply #52 on: February 08, 2021, 02:39:47 pm »
I changed to the capsules about 8-9 months ago, and although the application has very limited benefit to me ( I only ever use 2mm pencil jets) I have had zero issues.  I use both a swivel and a univalve too. However, I use the close coupled system and it's set up in a way that allows complete free movement of the swivel and tension free pull to operate the univalve. Not had a single issue yet.

where can you get the black adaptors ,or whatever they are called , that are connected to the jet capsules  from?

Mike Burd

Re: Gardiners Jet Capsules
« Reply #53 on: February 08, 2021, 02:40:20 pm »
Just to put my view in. We’ve had numerous breakages plus one arriving with one of the parts missing. I was made to jump through hoops to get a replacement too and only got a replacement as “a gesture of goodwill” which irritated me.

Hi 8 Weekly

I have just looked up your account details and I can see that you were sent one of the jets missing its lock collar, so we sent out a replacement unit for you. I can see that you did express your ‘irritation’ at the time that the Sales Team member had used the phrase Gesture of Goodwill when replacing for you – whether this phrase was correct or not in this case, I am pleased to see that the replacement part was sent out to you on receipt of a photo of the issue.

We have no record of any other issues with your jet capsules on our system – so do any of the scenarios mentioned in my post above apply to you also – are you using a univalve, swivel, catching or a combination of all? Happy to try and sort this out for you  :)
Hi Alex,
A “gesture of goodwill” is used when a company accepts no responsibility and sorts the problem without admitting fault. I wasn’t looking for an admission of fault obviously- just a replacement.

For a 50p part that arrived dead, why the need for photographic evidence? It seemed to me as though my report wasn’t believed. Especially as I’ve spent many thousands over the years.

Re not reporting other faults with the capsules, it’s not worth it as I just swap one out of a dead brush.

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Re: Gardiners Jet Capsules
« Reply #54 on: February 08, 2021, 03:08:29 pm »
I changed to the capsules about 8-9 months ago, and although the application has very limited benefit to me ( I only ever use 2mm pencil jets) I have had zero issues.  I use both a swivel and a univalve too. However, I use the close coupled system and it's set up in a way that allows complete free movement of the swivel and tension free pull to operate the univalve. Not had a single issue yet.

where can you get the black adaptors ,or whatever they are called , that are connected to the jet capsules  from?
Gardiners, that is the close-coupled set up. Two stem to tube elbows and a bit of tubing. It works brilliantly.
Comfortably Numb!

Ggh

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Re: Gardiners Jet Capsules
« Reply #55 on: February 08, 2021, 03:14:43 pm »
I think the jet capsules are more suited to the sole trader, perhaps not hardy enough for those that employ? One hard yank and they’re knackered.

Mr G, will you be stocking claber reel parts again? I’ve some rusty discs to replace but cant see them on the website, also the grey bush things that sit on both sides of the reel.

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Gardiners Jet Capsules
« Reply #56 on: February 08, 2021, 03:55:59 pm »
Hi Alex,
A “gesture of goodwill” is used when a company accepts no responsibility and sorts the problem without admitting fault. I wasn’t looking for an admission of fault obviously- just a replacement.

For a 50p part that arrived dead, why the need for photographic evidence? It seemed to me as though my report wasn’t believed. Especially as I’ve spent many thousands over the years.

Re not reporting other faults with the capsules, it’s not worth it as I just swap one out of a dead brush.

I agree  :)

In this case the phrase did not apply and having read the discussion between you and the team member I have today issued some further training on when not to use it   :)

The phrase Gesture of Goodwill is often used by us when we replace an item without having it 'returned to base' under our warranty terms - if an item was returned and found faulty the replacement would be 'under warranty', if not returned and inspected then it is slightly different as we have often not fully confirmed the fault. Most customers do not worry as long as the item is replaced.

Photographic evidence - we have learned after many years that our customers will call things many different names  :) what one person calls a collar another calls a clamps, etc. etc. So a simple photo of the item is the best way of confirming that there is no confusion on the part of the customer or the Sales Team.  We have found that sending out the wrong part that doesn't remedy the problem causes even more irritation than asking for a quick photo. It is not a case of not believing, just wanting to be sure.

If you're happy just swapping out jets then so am I!  However if there is something that could be tweaked in the setup to make everything more robust then we would also be happy to advise.

Alex Gardiner

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Re: Gardiners Jet Capsules
« Reply #57 on: February 08, 2021, 04:05:11 pm »
I think the jet capsules are more suited to the sole trader, perhaps not hardy enough for those that employ? One hard yank and they’re knackered.

Mr G, will you be stocking claber reel parts again? I’ve some rusty discs to replace but cant see them on the website, also the grey bush things that sit on both sides of the reel.

We have many employers using these with no issue - I think it does depend on the exact setup, method of work etc. However we have not yet found a setup that cannot be used with the jet capsules without a few simple precautions - even in the hands of the toughest employee  :)

Claber - we will not be re-stocking and are just selling off the last few items in this range on our Sale page.

NWH

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Re: Gardiners Jet Capsules
« Reply #58 on: February 08, 2021, 04:07:21 pm »
I wouldn’t worry about it Alex you are always gonna get these 2 up 1  down boys moaning about a few pence 🤣🤣🤣🤣,tell em to jog on.

Mike Burd

Re: Gardiners Jet Capsules
« Reply #59 on: February 08, 2021, 05:02:12 pm »
Just to put my view in. We’ve had numerous breakages plus one arriving with one of the parts missing. I was made to jump through hoops to get a replacement too and only got a replacement as “a gesture of goodwill” which irritated me.

Hi 8 Weekly

I have just looked up your account details and I can see that you were sent one of the jets missing its lock collar, so we sent out a replacement unit for you. I can see that you did express your ‘irritation’ at the time that the Sales Team member had used the phrase Gesture of Goodwill when replacing for you – whether this phrase was correct or not in this case, I am pleased to see that the replacement part was sent out to you on receipt of a photo of the issue.

We have no record of any other issues with your jet capsules on our system – so do any of the scenarios mentioned in my post above apply to you also – are you using a univalve, swivel, catching or a combination of all? Happy to try and sort this out for you  :)
Thank you Alex. Maybe I was a bit fussy with the wording.

I would say though that the capsules are probably better than the red plastic fan jets as they broke quite regularly. The brass pencils obviously never broke.

We just use taps. Nothing fancy at all. But after a while you accumulate dead brushes so you just swap out broken capsules. It's no biggie really.