[Smudger]

thanks for answering the questions Andy,

If it were me I wouldn't be going down this route - what sort of money have they invested in this ? and at the end of the day who's covering that investment ?

my take is this - if I were buying a franchise like (if I ever had the cash) McD's or cafe Nero or a Jet service station I wouldn't expect customers to be supplied - namely because I'd have a big brand name and shop for passing trade

Where as like my friend who does the dog washing you are going out to get customers and don't have a recognisable brand - it's not that it won't work but I think your asking too much of a franchisee therefore a base of customers should be supplied

Darran

[Stoots]

To answer andys question i think most window cleaning franchises supply as much work as the franchisee wants. At least the 4 or 5 ive spoke to do.

I know a couple that dont but surely its mutually beneficial to give them as much as they want...the more they earn the more you earn.

[NWH]

thanks for answering the questions Andy,

If it were me I wouldn't be going down this route - what sort of money have they invested in this ? and at the end of the day who's covering that investment ?

my take is this - if I were buying a franchise like (if I ever had the cash) McD's or cafe Nero or a Jet service station I wouldn't expect customers to be supplied - namely because I'd have a big brand name and shop for passing trade

Where as like my friend who does the dog washing you are going out to get customers and don't have a recognisable brand - it's not that it won't work but I think your asking too much of a franchisee therefore a base of customers should be supplied

Darran

If you don’t supply customers before during and after and basically just sit them down and giving them a quick chat how to go about it what is anyone offering them,if I buy into a KFC I know I’ll make money from day 1  it’s a recognisable brand a window cleaning firm among window cleaning firms isn’t and I also know I’ll have the support to make it work.
I’ve given my reasons why I think people want to do this with window cleaning on another thread and it was taken down so I’ll say no more on the subject. 👍

[Perfect Windows]

Thanks for the feedback.

We already have 2 pilot franchisees lined up. They should be starting in April.

Can anyone tell me what other Franchises offer their franchisees as much work as they want?

We do.

As far as I'm aware, all of Ian Lancaster's customers do the same.

Vin

[supernova77]

Thanks for the feedback.

We already have 2 pilot franchisees lined up. They should be starting in April.

Can anyone tell me what other Franchises offer their franchisees as much work as they want?

We do.

As far as I'm aware, all of Ian Lancaster's customers do the same.

Vin

Hi Vin,

Sorry I mean't any other franchises that aren't window cleaning.

We had a guy come and clean our oven the other day from Oven Wizards... He bought the franchise for £30k (it was a re-sale) and has to find all of his own work, he said he gets the occasional lead from the main oven wizards website but no solid customers from them just leads.

We won't build our franchisees customer base for them - but we will help them to do it using our tried and tested methods.

Andy

[Stoots]

Thanks for the feedback.

We already have 2 pilot franchisees lined up. They should be starting in April.

Can anyone tell me what other Franchises offer their franchisees as much work as they want?

We do.

As far as I'm aware, all of Ian Lancaster's customers do the same.

Vin

Hi Vin,

Sorry I mean't any other franchises that aren't window cleaning.

We had a guy come and clean our oven the other day from Oven Wizards... He bought the franchise for £30k (it was a re-sale) and has to find all of his own work, he said he gets the occasional lead from the main oven wizards website but no solid customers from them just leads.

We won't build our franchisees customer base for them - but we will help them to do it using our tried and tested methods.

Andy

So what benefit does the oven cleaner have if he is not supplied work?

Hes paid 30k for what? A logo and some uniform and a bit of training. Thats criminal

But if you can sell it then fair play.

[supernova77]

Thanks for the feedback.

We already have 2 pilot franchisees lined up. They should be starting in April.

Can anyone tell me what other Franchises offer their franchisees as much work as they want?

We do.

As far as I'm aware, all of Ian Lancaster's customers do the same.

Vin

Hi Vin,

Sorry I mean't any other franchises that aren't window cleaning.

We had a guy come and clean our oven the other day from Oven Wizards... He bought the franchise for £30k (it was a re-sale) and has to find all of his own work, he said he gets the occasional lead from the main oven wizards website but no solid customers from them just leads.

We won't build our franchisees customer base for them - but we will help them to do it using our tried and tested methods.

Andy

So what benefit does the oven cleaner have if he is not supplied work?

Hes paid 30k for what? A logo and some uniform and a bit of training. Thats criminal

But if you can sell it then fair play.

Yep! He got a bank loan for the £30k and pays back £500 a month for that, plus his royalties before he even starts to look at any money for other expenses and himself.

[NWH]

Sorry I meant to say yesterday the guy I also spoke to was involved with an Oven cleaning franchise,he’s jacking it in reckons it’s gonna cost him but he’s having to do all marketing and advertising he’s had enough cost him slightly less than on the above post.

[dazmond]

Thanks for the feedback.

We already have 2 pilot franchisees lined up. They should be starting in April.

Can anyone tell me what other Franchises offer their franchisees as much work as they want?

We do.

As far as I'm aware, all of Ian Lancaster's customers do the same.

Vin

Hi Vin,

Sorry I mean't any other franchises that aren't window cleaning.

We had a guy come and clean our oven the other day from Oven Wizards... He bought the franchise for £30k (it was a re-sale) and has to find all of his own work, he said he gets the occasional lead from the main oven wizards website but no solid customers from them just leads.

We won't build our franchisees customer base for them - but we will help them to do it using our tried and tested methods.

Andy

So what benefit does the oven cleaner have if he is not supplied work?

Hes paid 30k for what? A logo and some uniform and a bit of training. Thats criminal

But if you can sell it then fair play.

Yep! He got a bank loan for the £30k and pays back £500 a month for that, plus his royalties before he even starts to look at any money for other expenses and himself.

what a mug! .........i cant see it working for window cleaning though  unless YOU  SUPPLY THE WORK......

[Mike Burd]

I totally get why a franchisee would want an Ian Lancaster franchise. I think you'd have to be a bit daft to take one without the work guaranteed. I considered franchising rather than employing by the way.

[dazmond]

I totally get why a franchisee would want an Ian Lancaster franchise. I think you'd have to be stupid to take one without the work guaranteed. I considered franchising rather than employing by the way.

i know a window cleaner whos a franchisee.........his boss supplies the work and he told me he only pays 10%.....he does work hard though (6 days a week)45 + hours a week but he seems happy enough....

[NWH]

I totally get why a franchisee would want an Ian Lancaster franchise. I think you'd have to be stupid to take one without the work guaranteed. I considered franchising rather than employing by the way.

You be careful who you’re calling stupid 8 Weekly the word stupid doesn’t exist in the same sentence as franchise according to some on here,you’ll be struck down if you have an opinion m8 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[KS Cleaning]

We have partnered with a company who own 4 other franchise brands:

https://www.taylormadefranchising.co.uk/post/taylor-made-franchising-forms-strategic-partnership-with-iconic-window-cleaning

All of their franchisees across all of their brands turned over £7.6m last year - more than proving franchising in all sorts of industries works.

We are working on having our first 2 pilot franchisees up and running by the end of April.

The long term goal is to have a network of franchisees nationwide. A bit like Fish Window Cleaning in America.

www.window-cleaning-franchise.co.uk

Andy

Not trying to knock you, I genuinely wish you well with franchising and hope you make a success of it, but I think you would be wise to re think your business model.  Whilst I agree that on the whole  that franchising can work, in window cleaning I don’t believe it can work without the franchisor providing a guaranteed amount of work/income to the franchisee. I also find it hard to see what value Taylor Made Franchising will bring to you, they have no expertise at all in window cleaning or how it works. They are providing you a franchise template that is doomed to failure as it isn’t tailored towards window cleaning.
IMO you would be better served speaking with Ian Lancaster, Vin or Clever Forum Name rather than diluting your profit with a company who have no expertise in the window cleaning industry and who it seems have given you bad advice in believing you can sell a window cleaning franchise without providing work.

Thanks for the feedback.

We already have 2 pilot franchisees lined up. They should be starting in April.

Can anyone tell me what other Franchises offer their franchisees as much work as they want?

You could have a problem if the prospective franchisees do their research into window cleaning franchises and see that other franchisors offer a guaranteed amount of work included in their package.
££££ worth of guaranteed work sounds a lot more appealing compared to supplying leaflets and business cards.

[NWH]

Don’t you go calling a franchisee stupid as well KS come on now who do you think you are,you should be coaxing him into it he knows he’s got a good deal T-shirt and a load of business cards what more does the man need before he hands over an envelope full of notes 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

[NWH]

It reminds me of what Forest Gumps mum said to him,stupid is as stupid duuuzzz 😩😩😩

[KS Cleaning]

Don’t you go calling a franchisee stupid as well KS come on now who do you think you are,you should be coaxing him into it he knows he’s got a good deal T-shirt and a load of business cards what more does the man need before he hands over an envelope full of notes 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

Difference being I’m not insulting the franchisor nor the franchisee, I’m offering advice/constructive criticism ( well I think it’s constructive anyway! )

[supernova77]

The bottom line is that Franchising works in all sorts of industries, so there is no reason why it can't work with window cleaning if done correctly.

[NWH]

I think you’ll find that you are right it works in all types of industries what you are failing to see is that window cleaning or Oven cleaning is a simple business,you don’t need to invest 1000s upon 1000s of £s to get started or make it work.
If I come to you and give you 20k and you start off by giving me 400 notes a week worth of work and can guarantee that and that you’ll get me ongoing business and replace any lost work due to my initial incompetence we have some sort of deal,if I come to you with 20k and you sit me down tell me how it’s done give me your livery to use a few T shirts and business cards-flyers who’s the stupid one there then,KFC might want 750,000-1,000,000 off of you “why” because you know and they know you’ll make it back and be into big profits in a few years even though you still have to pay them for all there products plus a franchise fee every month,yes all franchises work but without a brand that’s visible in the high street you ain’t any different to the next window cleaner.

[Mike Burd]

The bottom line is that Franchising works in all sorts of industries, so there is no reason why it can't work with window cleaning if done correctly.

You are correct. Lots of window cleaners do it successfully.  Your model is different though so it will be really good to hear how you get on.

[NWH]

You don’t fancy a burger you fancy a McDonald’s you don’t want fried chicken you want a KFC see my point,it’s in you’re subconscious it rolls off the tongue 👅  what they’ve done has worked.