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Splash & dash

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Re: Thinking of franchising
« Reply #100 on: January 31, 2021, 07:07:11 pm »
Splash - your missing one simple point - You run a successful business ( you have the fore cite, skill, determination etc) to go out and make it work - so many people don't - worry about getting work - my FIL was like this spend 4k on gutter vac - but just couldn't get out to drop leaflets, canvass, advertise - in the end I did all this for him

same as why would anyone be an employee -? ( not me ever again - but I see why most people want to be employed )

Darran



Thanks Darran , I hear what you are saying and yes I started with the family car and a ladder I don’t class myself as a businessman or anything special , if I can run a successful window cleaning business then anyone can do it , I dint understand why they would want to pay me  to do that ???  Think Ime going to have to look at this seriously . Thanks for your help

Mike Burd

Re: Thinking of franchising
« Reply #101 on: January 31, 2021, 07:15:16 pm »
We have partnered with a company who own 4 other franchise brands:

https://www.taylormadefranchising.co.uk/post/taylor-made-franchising-forms-strategic-partnership-with-iconic-window-cleaning

All of their franchisees across all of their brands turned over £7.6m last year - more than proving franchising in all sorts of industries works.

We are working on having our first 2 pilot franchisees up and running by the end of April.

The long term goal is to have a network of franchisees nationwide. A bit like Fish Window Cleaning in America.

www.window-cleaning-franchise.co.uk

Andy
In my opinion it only works if you provide the work. Is that your plan?

No we won’t be providing any work as such but will be working with each franchisee to build their business with them.

It’s very rare in the world of franchising for the franchisor to find all of the franchisees work.
There’s a company called Tidal run by a young lad that signs up franchisees and helps them with government funding and then leaves them to find customers. Their model seems to me to be based on income from people buying the franchise rather than ongoing work.

NWH

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Re: Thinking of franchising
« Reply #102 on: January 31, 2021, 07:15:54 pm »
Ched you have hit the nail on the head this why it’s wide open to be exploited in window cleaning,I’m working for you as a franchisee I’ve managed to accumulate some of my own work and I’m doing it throughout my working week as and when I feel like it,how do intend to keep track of this or come to think of it how do you know I’m doing it anyway. What happens is gradually over time I’ll have enough of my own work and who knows I may have even managed to get some of you’re customers to come with me,it happens all the time with employees it wouldn’t be the first time it’s happened m8.

Mrs smith who you have been cleaning "on the side" calls the office  (the franchisor) and asks why nigel hasnt been for a while.

I say, can you tell me your address....and guess what we dont have that address on the system.

So i could say to nigel, you have broken the franchisee agreement and therefore its terminated, now you have lost everything including the 10 grand what you handed over and your months of hard work.

In short, why the hell would you risk doing a few jobs "on the side" when you know whats a stake....now that would be a stupid person...
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The reason you would do it is over time you build your own round that initial 10k is then disposable , no one with half a brain would want to continue paying royalties to someone when they can build there own round and keep 100% of what they earn , let’s face it it’s not rocket science to build and run a window round is it . There are plenty of muppets on hear doing it already 😂😂

Well when he gets caught he loses both the customers he was cleaning under your name and the ones he picked up on the side as there would be a non compete clause in the same area.

These things are covered.

Plus you are assuming everyone is a snake.

These things are covered lol ok m8 good luck you trying to sort all that S**T out because I wouldn’t know where to start,I’ll give you a clue you don’t honestly think the bloke is gonna go round signing people up in his name do you if he’s savvy enough to be doing this which over time a lot would be,domestic customers want windows cleaned by whoever they wish you aren’t dealing with big commercial clients that would be 100% easier to deal with as far as that goes.
Like all things in this life it looks good on paper and if you are giving someone money so you can trade in their name without them giving you constant work and support you are a fool,you are having to gain work anyway why wouldn’t you just do this for yourself in the first place and save the initial outlay and as far as Ionic goes £2000 lease towards a leased vehicle they want about 800 notes a month for 1 of there vans kitted out 🤣🤣🤣👩🏻‍🦯👩🏻‍🦯👩🏻‍🦯👩🏻‍🦯,good old Ruben selling you the dream of a hot van and no work don’t worry though WE will tell you how to get it,all ex office bodds with 20-30k redundancy to waste I feel for em lol.

KS Cleaning

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Re: Thinking of franchising
« Reply #103 on: January 31, 2021, 07:25:55 pm »
We have partnered with a company who own 4 other franchise brands:

https://www.taylormadefranchising.co.uk/post/taylor-made-franchising-forms-strategic-partnership-with-iconic-window-cleaning

All of their franchisees across all of their brands turned over £7.6m last year - more than proving franchising in all sorts of industries works.

We are working on having our first 2 pilot franchisees up and running by the end of April.

The long term goal is to have a network of franchisees nationwide. A bit like Fish Window Cleaning in America.

www.window-cleaning-franchise.co.uk

Andy
Not trying to knock you, I genuinely wish you well with franchising and hope you make a success of it, but I think you would be wise to re think your business model.  Whilst I agree that on the whole  that franchising can work, in window cleaning I don’t believe it can work without the franchisor providing a guaranteed amount of work/income to the franchisee. I also find it hard to see what value Taylor Made Franchising will bring to you, they have no expertise at all in window cleaning or how it works. They are providing you a franchise template that is doomed to failure as it isn’t tailored towards window cleaning.
IMO you would be better served speaking with Ian Lancaster, Vin or Clever Forum Name rather than diluting your profit with a company who have no expertise in the window cleaning industry and who it seems have given you bad advice in believing you can sell a window cleaning franchise without providing work.




Perfect Windows

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Re: Thinking of franchising
« Reply #104 on: January 31, 2021, 07:50:21 pm »
These things are covered lol ok m8 good luck you trying to sort all that S**T out because I wouldn’t know where to start,I’ll give you a clue you don’t honestly think the bloke is gonna go round signing people up in his name do you if he’s savvy enough to be doing this which over time a lot would be,domestic customers want windows cleaned by whoever they wish you aren’t dealing with big commercial clients that would be 100% easier to deal with as far as that goes.
Like all things in this life it looks good on paper and if you are giving someone money so you can trade in their name without them giving you constant work and support you are a fool,you are having to gain work anyway why wouldn’t you just do this for yourself in the first place and save the initial outlay and as far as Ionic goes £2000 lease towards a leased vehicle they want about 800 notes a month for 1 of there vans kitted out 🤣🤣🤣👩🏻‍🦯👩🏻‍🦯👩🏻‍🦯👩🏻‍🦯,good old Ruben selling you the dream of a hot van and no work don’t worry though WE will tell you how to get it,all ex office bodds with 20-30k redundancy to waste I feel for em lol.

Why did you call one of my franchisees stupid?

NWH

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Re: Thinking of franchising
« Reply #105 on: January 31, 2021, 07:52:11 pm »
I had to laugh the other day Old Skool window cleaners he’s called is selling some sort of business package on window cleaning advise on skills how to get work so on and so on,the blokes only been doing the job 5 minutes and can’t even clean windows properly himself yet.
Some people have signed up I believe so there you go 1 born every minute lol.

NWH

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Re: Thinking of franchising
« Reply #106 on: January 31, 2021, 07:54:34 pm »
Perfect windows get this straight I am not calling anyone’s franchises stupid my point is why would someone buy into it without ongoing support initial work and ongoing work,stop being a fool and thinking that I’m talking about you because I’m not.

Smudger

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Re: Thinking of franchising
« Reply #107 on: January 31, 2021, 07:58:00 pm »
Splash - your missing one simple point - You run a successful business ( you have the fore cite, skill, determination etc) to go out and make it work - so many people don't - worry about getting work - my FIL was like this spend 4k on gutter vac - but just couldn't get out to drop leaflets, canvass, advertise - in the end I did all this for him

same as why would anyone be an employee -? ( not me ever again - but I see why most people want to be employed )

Darran



Thanks Darran , I hear what you are saying and yes I started with the family car and a ladder I don’t class myself as a businessman or anything special , if I can run a successful window cleaning business then anyone can do it , I dint understand why they would want to pay me  to do that ???  Think Ime going to have to look at this seriously . Thanks for your help

I was the same - I had about £800 to my name when redundant - I have never considered myself a businessman but after doing a couple of years networking you can see how useless people can be, and how many just can't make a success of it without handholding - god knows what its like now with the pandemic

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

Smudger

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Re: Thinking of franchising
« Reply #108 on: January 31, 2021, 08:00:13 pm »
I had to laugh the other day Old Skool window cleaners he’s called is selling some sort of business package on window cleaning advise on skills how to get work so on and so on,the blokes only been doing the job 5 minutes and can’t even clean windows properly himself yet.
Some people have signed up I believe so there you go 1 born every minute lol.

and how far have you got in the 25+ years you've be shining glass ?

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

Perfect Windows

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Re: Thinking of franchising
« Reply #109 on: January 31, 2021, 08:24:30 pm »
Perfect windows get this straight I am not calling anyone’s franchises stupid my point is why would someone buy into it without ongoing support initial work and ongoing work,stop being a fool and thinking that I’m talking about you because I’m not.

My question was "Why are you calling my franchisees stupid?" You might want to read and respond to the words I use rather than the words you think I use.

Here's where you did it.

...how many franchises do you see in window cleaning hardly any because not many people are stupid enough to buy into it ...

I’m not trying to convince anyone I’m confused why anyone would be stupid enough to buy a window cleaning franchise,although I suppose that’s the kind of person you need someone that knows very little about it.

Mike Burd

Re: Thinking of franchising
« Reply #110 on: January 31, 2021, 08:27:46 pm »
Perfect windows get this straight I am not calling anyone’s franchises stupid my point is why would someone buy into it without ongoing support initial work and ongoing work,stop being a fool and thinking that I’m talking about you because I’m not.

My question was "Why are you calling my franchisees stupid?" You might want to read and respond to the words I use rather than the words you think I use.

Here's where you did it.

...how many franchises do you see in window cleaning hardly any because not many people are stupid enough to buy into it ...

I’m not trying to convince anyone I’m confused why anyone would be stupid enough to buy a window cleaning franchise,although I suppose that’s the kind of person you need someone that knows very little about it.
Ah he’s just full of hot air. He doesn’t mean it.

NWH

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Re: Thinking of franchising
« Reply #111 on: January 31, 2021, 08:28:19 pm »
Perfect windows it’s not all about you m8.

NWH

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Re: Thinking of franchising
« Reply #112 on: January 31, 2021, 08:30:26 pm »
Splash - your missing one simple point - You run a successful business ( you have the fore cite, skill, determination etc) to go out and make it work - so many people don't - worry about getting work - my FIL was like this spend 4k on gutter vac - but just couldn't get out to drop leaflets, canvass, advertise - in the end I did all this for him

same as why would anyone be an employee -? ( not me ever again - but I see why most people want to be employed )

Darran



Thanks Darran , I hear what you are saying and yes I started with the family car and a ladder I don’t class myself as a businessman or anything special , if I can run a successful window cleaning business then anyone can do it , I dint understand why they would want to pay me  to do that ???  Think Ime going to have to look at this seriously . Thanks for your help

I was the same - I had about £800 to my name when redundant - I have never considered myself a businessman but after doing a couple of years networking you can see how useless people can be, and how many just can't make a success of it without handholding - god knows what its like now with the pandemic

Darran

I started on a 3 wheeled bike with an apple picking ladder 🪜,after 3 ah ah 🤣🤣

Perfect Windows

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Re: Thinking of franchising
« Reply #113 on: January 31, 2021, 08:32:02 pm »
Perfect windows it’s not all about you m8.

Aaand you're done. You've called the user named "1576" on here stupid (he's one of my franchisees and you've told us that people who buy franchises are stupid) but you're not prepared to defend your nonsense. Bore off, little fella.

Smudger

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Re: Thinking of franchising
« Reply #114 on: January 31, 2021, 08:36:37 pm »

I started on a 3 wheeled bike with an apple picking ladder 🪜,after 3 ah ah 🤣🤣

after failing to make your own way in the world you got your poor old dad to employ you - doesn't that make you 'stupid' like any other worker - and did you steal off him ?
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

NWH

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Re: Thinking of franchising
« Reply #115 on: January 31, 2021, 08:37:14 pm »
Ahhhhhh I see everyone’s entitled to their opinion and mine wasn’t personal to anyone in particular if you don’t like my opinion that’s fine but I’m entitled to it,maybe you just don’t like I’m offering a view that’s conflicting to yours again opinions you have yours too.

NWH

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Re: Thinking of franchising
« Reply #116 on: January 31, 2021, 08:39:23 pm »

I started on a 3 wheeled bike with an apple picking ladder 🪜,after 3 ah ah 🤣🤣

after failing to make your own way in the world you got your poor old dad to employ you - doesn't that make you 'stupid' like any other worker - and did you steal off him ?
Lol yeah stole the lot selling it all as a franchise 🤣🤣😂 they’ve got to find their own work though and I’ve told em all as soon as they hand or the cash I’ll block em.

supernova77

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Re: Thinking of franchising
« Reply #117 on: January 31, 2021, 09:11:31 pm »
We have partnered with a company who own 4 other franchise brands:

https://www.taylormadefranchising.co.uk/post/taylor-made-franchising-forms-strategic-partnership-with-iconic-window-cleaning

All of their franchisees across all of their brands turned over £7.6m last year - more than proving franchising in all sorts of industries works.

We are working on having our first 2 pilot franchisees up and running by the end of April.

The long term goal is to have a network of franchisees nationwide. A bit like Fish Window Cleaning in America.

www.window-cleaning-franchise.co.uk

Andy
Not trying to knock you, I genuinely wish you well with franchising and hope you make a success of it, but I think you would be wise to re think your business model.  Whilst I agree that on the whole  that franchising can work, in window cleaning I don’t believe it can work without the franchisor providing a guaranteed amount of work/income to the franchisee. I also find it hard to see what value Taylor Made Franchising will bring to you, they have no expertise at all in window cleaning or how it works. They are providing you a franchise template that is doomed to failure as it isn’t tailored towards window cleaning.
IMO you would be better served speaking with Ian Lancaster, Vin or Clever Forum Name rather than diluting your profit with a company who have no expertise in the window cleaning industry and who it seems have given you bad advice in believing you can sell a window cleaning franchise without providing work.





Thanks for the feedback.

We already have 2 pilot franchisees lined up. They should be starting in April.

Can anyone tell me what other Franchises offer their franchisees as much work as they want?

deeege

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Re: Thinking of franchising
« Reply #118 on: January 31, 2021, 09:19:22 pm »
We have partnered with a company who own 4 other franchise brands:

https://www.taylormadefranchising.co.uk/post/taylor-made-franchising-forms-strategic-partnership-with-iconic-window-cleaning

All of their franchisees across all of their brands turned over £7.6m last year - more than proving franchising in all sorts of industries works.

We are working on having our first 2 pilot franchisees up and running by the end of April.

The long term goal is to have a network of franchisees nationwide. A bit like Fish Window Cleaning in America.

www.window-cleaning-franchise.co.uk

Andy
Not trying to knock you, I genuinely wish you well with franchising and hope you make a success of it, but I think you would be wise to re think your business model.  Whilst I agree that on the whole  that franchising can work, in window cleaning I don’t believe it can work without the franchisor providing a guaranteed amount of work/income to the franchisee. I also find it hard to see what value Taylor Made Franchising will bring to you, they have no expertise at all in window cleaning or how it works. They are providing you a franchise template that is doomed to failure as it isn’t tailored towards window cleaning.
IMO you would be better served speaking with Ian Lancaster, Vin or Clever Forum Name rather than diluting your profit with a company who have no expertise in the window cleaning industry and who it seems have given you bad advice in believing you can sell a window cleaning franchise without providing work.





Thanks for the feedback.

We already have 2 pilot franchisees lined up. They should be starting in April.

Can anyone tell me what other Franchises offer their franchisees as much work as they want?

One of your franchise partners has this on the front page of their website:-

“WE FIND ALL OUR FRANCHISEES CUSTOMERS FOR THEM
We’re the only franchise in the UK that finds our franchisees customers for them. Not enquiries or leads, actual regular, paying customers. It’s this reason why our franchisees love us. Let me show you how it works…”

https://www.thomascleaningfranchise.co.uk/

It’s not a very consistent business model across the brand if they offer the above for one business and then the complete opposite for your business Andy.

I’m not meaning to be a dick and genuinely wish you well, but it doesn’t make sense to me to buy a window cleaning franchise with no work supplied.
"....and it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink, and mother wake me early in the morning."

supernova77

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Re: Thinking of franchising
« Reply #119 on: January 31, 2021, 09:26:47 pm »
We have partnered with a company who own 4 other franchise brands:

https://www.taylormadefranchising.co.uk/post/taylor-made-franchising-forms-strategic-partnership-with-iconic-window-cleaning

All of their franchisees across all of their brands turned over £7.6m last year - more than proving franchising in all sorts of industries works.

We are working on having our first 2 pilot franchisees up and running by the end of April.

The long term goal is to have a network of franchisees nationwide. A bit like Fish Window Cleaning in America.

www.window-cleaning-franchise.co.uk

Andy
Not trying to knock you, I genuinely wish you well with franchising and hope you make a success of it, but I think you would be wise to re think your business model.  Whilst I agree that on the whole  that franchising can work, in window cleaning I don’t believe it can work without the franchisor providing a guaranteed amount of work/income to the franchisee. I also find it hard to see what value Taylor Made Franchising will bring to you, they have no expertise at all in window cleaning or how it works. They are providing you a franchise template that is doomed to failure as it isn’t tailored towards window cleaning.
IMO you would be better served speaking with Ian Lancaster, Vin or Clever Forum Name rather than diluting your profit with a company who have no expertise in the window cleaning industry and who it seems have given you bad advice in believing you can sell a window cleaning franchise without providing work.





Thanks for the feedback.

We already have 2 pilot franchisees lined up. They should be starting in April.

Can anyone tell me what other Franchises offer their franchisees as much work as they want?

One of your franchise partners has this on the front page of their website:-

“WE FIND ALL OUR FRANCHISEES CUSTOMERS FOR THEM
We’re the only franchise in the UK that finds our franchisees customers for them. Not enquiries or leads, actual regular, paying customers. It’s this reason why our franchisees love us. Let me show you how it works…”

https://www.thomascleaningfranchise.co.uk/

It’s not a very consistent business model across the brand if they offer the above for one business and then the complete opposite for your business Andy.

I’m not meaning to be a dick and genuinely wish you well, but it doesn’t make sense to me to buy a window cleaning franchise with no work supplied.

Good spot.

That’s how it used to work. The former owner of Thomas Cleaning used to find the customers and then sell them - yes sell them to the franchisee and then also get an ongoing royalty fee for that customer.

Taylor Made are changing that model now and are putting a lot of money into training the franchisees to find their own clients.