[NWH]

Ched you have hit the nail on the head this why it’s wide open to be exploited in window cleaning,I’m working for you as a franchisee I’ve managed to accumulate some of my own work and I’m doing it throughout my working week as and when I feel like it,how do intend to keep track of this or come to think of it how do you know I’m doing it anyway. What happens is gradually over time I’ll have enough of my own work and who knows I may have even managed to get some of you’re customers to come with me,it happens all the time with employees it wouldn’t be the first time it’s happened m8.

[Stoots]

We have partnered with a company who own 4 other franchise brands:

https://www.taylormadefranchising.co.uk/post/taylor-made-franchising-forms-strategic-partnership-with-iconic-window-cleaning

All of their franchisees across all of their brands turned over £7.6m last year - more than proving franchising in all sorts of industries works.

We are working on having our first 2 pilot franchisees up and running by the end of April.

The long term goal is to have a network of franchisees nationwide. A bit like Fish Window Cleaning in America.

www.window-cleaning-franchise.co.uk

Andy

In my opinion it only works if you provide the work. Is that your plan?

No we won’t be providing any work as such but will be working with each franchisee to build their business with them.

It’s very rare in the world of franchising for the franchisor to find all of the franchisees work.

Think you are missing a trick, what incentive is there for a franchisee to fork out 12k and be left to find their own work ?

Not knocking at all  by the way, im sure you have a good plan, just genuinely interested as im setting up a franchise at the moment but will be supplying all the work ongoing, i think thats a huge advantage otherwise surely i would have to agree with NWH    and they might as well set up on their own.

[NWH]

We have partnered with a company who own 4 other franchise brands:

https://www.taylormadefranchising.co.uk/post/taylor-made-franchising-forms-strategic-partnership-with-iconic-window-cleaning

All of their franchisees across all of their brands turned over £7.6m last year - more than proving franchising in all sorts of industries works.

We are working on having our first 2 pilot franchisees up and running by the end of April.

The long term goal is to have a network of franchisees nationwide. A bit like Fish Window Cleaning in America.

www.window-cleaning-franchise.co.uk

Andy

In my opinion it only works if you provide the work. Is that your plan?

No we won’t be providing any work as such but will be working with each franchisee to build their business with them.

It’s very rare in the world of franchising for the franchisor to find all of the franchisees work.

I know nothing about franchising but thought the whole  object of it was to supply the franchisee with all the work,  knowledge ,and equipment to carry out the job that’s surely what they are paying royalties for ? If they get there own work why should they lay you a % of that

Of course it is in reality Splash it ain’t a franchise m8 it’s another way of renting work out,it’s like saying when you are out and about it will look like you work for me coz you have my T shirts on lol they should be paying a fee for you to keep providing them with as much work they can handle,if they lose a job the franchise should replace it hence the ball Ache. 
The contract is just there as a safe guard to try to stop them taking the customers at some point down the line,this is my point about them needing someone that’s green can you imagine someone that’s been in window cleaning in the past they’d snatch a round for themselves quicker than a cat gets of a 🌵 🤣🤣.
Very rarely do you see someone being part of this kind of setup long term,when you employ nearly all the time they want to go out on their own that’s why it’s tuff employing you need certain kind of people,the ones that live for the weekend let you down and the more sensible ones see the potential on their own it’s very difficult to find the in between.

[Stoots]

Ched you have hit the nail on the head this why it’s wide open to be exploited in window cleaning,I’m working for you as a franchisee I’ve managed to accumulate some of my own work and I’m doing it throughout my working week as and when I feel like it,how do intend to keep track of this or come to think of it how do you know I’m doing it anyway. What happens is gradually over time I’ll have enough of my own work and who knows I may have even managed to get some of you’re customers to come with me,it happens all the time with employees it wouldn’t be the first time it’s happened m8.

Mrs smith who you have been cleaning "on the side" calls the office  (the franchisor) and asks why nigel hasnt been for a while.

I say, can you tell me your address....and guess what we dont have that address on the system.

So i could say to nigel, you have broken the franchisee agreement and therefore its terminated, now you have lost everything including the 10 grand what you handed over and your months of hard work.

In short, why the hell would you risk doing a few jobs "on the side" when you know whats a stake....now that would be a stupid person...

[NWH]

They want money up front for you to work their work m8 end of a franchise supports you provides initial work and ongoing work or what are you paying a fee for each month 🤣🤣,they come to you with a van and an envelope full of cash and you give em a T-shirt and a contract saying you can’t take any of my work lol.
I tell you what I’ll set 1 up tomorrow lol I haven’t looked into the Tax and Vat side of it yet but I’m sure that’s the incentive somewhere down the line over employing.

[NWH]

Nigel says to Mrs Smith now look Mrs Smith this guys charging you a bit much if I’m honest and it’s a terrible setup between us  I’m getting hardly anything out of this arrangement I could clean you’re windows for you for X if you cancel him between you and me.
What are you going to do camp outside some of these houses to make sure I’m not cleaning them when you’ve got you’re own work or business to be getting on with,now multiply this by dozens and dozens of individual customers can you imagine trying to sort all this out.
I tell you what you’d do throw your hands in the air and say I don’t know where to start,you can’t tell anyone who they use to clean their windows ever.

[NWH]

Ched you have hit the nail on the head this why it’s wide open to be exploited in window cleaning,I’m working for you as a franchisee I’ve managed to accumulate some of my own work and I’m doing it throughout my working week as and when I feel like it,how do intend to keep track of this or come to think of it how do you know I’m doing it anyway. What happens is gradually over time I’ll have enough of my own work and who knows I may have even managed to get some of you’re customers to come with me,it happens all the time with employees it wouldn’t be the first time it’s happened m8.

Mrs smith who you have been cleaning "on the side" calls the office  (the franchisor) and asks why nigel hasnt been for a while.

I say, can you tell me your address....and guess what we dont have that address on the system.

So i could say to nigel, you have broken the franchisee agreement and therefore its terminated, now you have lost everything including the 10 grand what you handed over and your months of hard work.

In short, why the hell would you risk doing a few jobs "on the side" when you know whats a stake....now that would be a stupid person...

I haven’t lost anything m8 by the time you’ve smelt the coffee I’m on my way to getting my own business,what do I owe you I’ve had no ongoing work being given to me by you no support I’m expected to be getting my own work anyway what work I do gain do I have to tell you,maybe but only if I wanted to someone in this situation may feel they owe you nothing.

[NWH]

Like I say it works if you get the right person there’s leaders and followers,you don’t want a leader though me thinks 👩🏻‍🦯.

[Clever Forum Name]

We have partnered with a company who own 4 other franchise brands:

https://www.taylormadefranchising.co.uk/post/taylor-made-franchising-forms-strategic-partnership-with-iconic-window-cleaning

All of their franchisees across all of their brands turned over £7.6m last year - more than proving franchising in all sorts of industries works.

We are working on having our first 2 pilot franchisees up and running by the end of April.

The long term goal is to have a network of franchisees nationwide. A bit like Fish Window Cleaning in America.

www.window-cleaning-franchise.co.uk

Andy

In my opinion it only works if you provide the work. Is that your plan?

No we won’t be providing any work as such but will be working with each franchisee to build their business with them.

It’s very rare in the world of franchising for the franchisor to find all of the franchisees work.

The only work I don't supply is any work from walk ups and/or recommendations. My last franchisee handed over £16,000, if I then told him to find his own work I would have trouble holding a straight face!

[Smudger]

Nigel - still obsessed with stealing work ?
You talk like the franchise takes all or most of the money - when in reality I think its the other way round (franchisee has the loins share) the split is agreed in the contract with each side obligations
Have you not heard of technology - van trackers will show all stops and times at said places so if you are that paronoid you will soon see any problems



Andy - I think you will need to provide work in this set-up otherwise there really is no point in a franchise....

[Perfect Windows]

To me there are 2 reasons to look at buying a franchise.
First is brand recognition - i.e. McDonalds is known worldwide, everyone knows what McD's food is and what they get. People like to go for something that is familiar they feel it's safer.
The second is a proven system - methods of working, gaining customers, and managing the business etc.

The problem I see with window cleaning franchise is brand recognition - can the public name a window cleaning brand? I doubt it.
So what you are paying for is the management system and a bit of training and hand holding. Unless they are supplying custys.

While it might be a quick route to working and getting custys you will be paying for them as long as you continue being a franchise!

We supply our franchisees with as much work as they want. And, as I've mentioned above, the contract has been tested in court and it prevents a franchisee servicing customers if they give up the franchise.

Vin

[Perfect Windows]

Nigel says to Mrs Smith now look Mrs Smith this guys charging you a bit much if I’m honest and it’s a terrible setup between us  I’m getting hardly anything out of this arrangement I could clean you’re windows for you for X if you cancel him between you and me.
What are you going to do camp outside some of these houses to make sure I’m not cleaning them when you’ve got you’re own work or business to be getting on with,now multiply this by dozens and dozens of individual customers can you imagine trying to sort all this out.
I tell you what you’d do throw your hands in the air and say I don’t know where to start,you can’t tell anyone who they use to clean their windows ever.

No, but, as you've been told literally dozens of times, you can prevent the franchisee servicing that customer.

Listen mate, if all you're goign to do is keep on making up fantasy scenarios rather than actually responding to what people post you're done.

You haven't asnwered a single question I've asked on this thread. You just spout unrelated nonsense.  So, either start answering when you're asked a polite question, or bore off.

1. You haven't told me whether it's possible that both franchising and employing could both work.

2. You haven't told my franchisee why you called him stupid.

Vin

[deeege]

Imagine asking someone to buy into their franchise and not supplying them the work. 

Imo it’s by far the biggest reason someone would take on a window cleaning franchise. (Along with brand recognition but that’s not really relevant with window cleaning)

Also, Nigel just log off mate, embarrassing yourself further here.

[Splash & dash]

Ched you have hit the nail on the head this why it’s wide open to be exploited in window cleaning,I’m working for you as a franchisee I’ve managed to accumulate some of my own work and I’m doing it throughout my working week as and when I feel like it,how do intend to keep track of this or come to think of it how do you know I’m doing it anyway. What happens is gradually over time I’ll have enough of my own work and who knows I may have even managed to get some of you’re customers to come with me,it happens all the time with employees it wouldn’t be the first time it’s happened m8.

Mrs smith who you have been cleaning "on the side" calls the office  (the franchisor) and asks why nigel hasnt been for a while.

I say, can you tell me your address....and guess what we dont have that address on the system.

So i could say to nigel, you have broken the franchisee agreement and therefore its terminated, now you have lost everything including the 10 grand what you handed over and your months of hard work.

In short, why the hell would you risk doing a few jobs "on the side" when you know whats a stake....now that would be a stupid person...

.


The reason you would do it is over time you build your own round that initial 10k is then disposable , no one with half a brain would want to continue paying royalties to someone when they can build there own round and keep 100% of what they earn , let’s face it it’s not rocket science to build and run a window round is it . There are plenty of muppets on hear doing it already 😂😂

[Splash & dash]

I’m not trying to convince anyone I’m confused why anyone would be stupid enough to buy a window cleaning franchise,although I suppose that’s the kind of person you need someone that knows very little about it.

So I assume you are a franchisee ?? If so why did you go down this route instead of building your own work ? And what do you feel are the perceived benefits of doing it to you ? Ime genuinely interested as I have three vans with employees and wondering if franchising might be an option for me ? But feel the employment route gives me more money ??
Why are you calling me stupid? you don't know me.

[Stoots]

Ched you have hit the nail on the head this why it’s wide open to be exploited in window cleaning,I’m working for you as a franchisee I’ve managed to accumulate some of my own work and I’m doing it throughout my working week as and when I feel like it,how do intend to keep track of this or come to think of it how do you know I’m doing it anyway. What happens is gradually over time I’ll have enough of my own work and who knows I may have even managed to get some of you’re customers to come with me,it happens all the time with employees it wouldn’t be the first time it’s happened m8.

Mrs smith who you have been cleaning "on the side" calls the office  (the franchisor) and asks why nigel hasnt been for a while.

I say, can you tell me your address....and guess what we dont have that address on the system.

So i could say to nigel, you have broken the franchisee agreement and therefore its terminated, now you have lost everything including the 10 grand what you handed over and your months of hard work.

In short, why the hell would you risk doing a few jobs "on the side" when you know whats a stake....now that would be a stupid person...

.


The reason you would do it is over time you build your own round that initial 10k is then disposable , no one with half a brain would want to continue paying royalties to someone when they can build there own round and keep 100% of what they earn , let’s face it it’s not rocket science to build and run a window round is it . There are plenty of muppets on hear doing it already 😂😂

Well when he gets caught he loses both the customers he was cleaning under your name and the ones he picked up on the side as there would be a non compete clause in the same area.

These things are covered.

Plus you are assuming everyone is a snake.

[Ched]

To me there are 2 reasons to look at buying a franchise.
First is brand recognition - i.e. McDonalds is known worldwide, everyone knows what McD's food is and what they get. People like to go for something that is familiar they feel it's safer.
The second is a proven system - methods of working, gaining customers, and managing the business etc.

The problem I see with window cleaning franchise is brand recognition - can the public name a window cleaning brand? I doubt it.
So what you are paying for is the management system and a bit of training and hand holding. Unless they are supplying custys.

While it might be a quick route to working and getting custys you will be paying for them as long as you continue being a franchise!

We supply our franchisees with as much work as they want. And, as I've mentioned above, the contract has been tested in court and it prevents a franchisee servicing customers if they give up the franchise.

Vin

To be honest, I wasn't trying to knock franchises it was to more say why I wouldn't buy a windy franchise. I said nothing about contracts or court etc...
I more posted it to see if anyone who was thinking of starting a franchise or had one would have any counter arguments. Is my view of buying a franchise wrong would I get more out of it than I think? i.e. what is your sales pitch to get someone to buy in?

[Splash & dash]

Ched you have hit the nail on the head this why it’s wide open to be exploited in window cleaning,I’m working for you as a franchisee I’ve managed to accumulate some of my own work and I’m doing it throughout my working week as and when I feel like it,how do intend to keep track of this or come to think of it how do you know I’m doing it anyway. What happens is gradually over time I’ll have enough of my own work and who knows I may have even managed to get some of you’re customers to come with me,it happens all the time with employees it wouldn’t be the first time it’s happened m8.

Mrs smith who you have been cleaning "on the side" calls the office  (the franchisor) and asks why nigel hasnt been for a while.

I say, can you tell me your address....and guess what we dont have that address on the system.

So i could say to nigel, you have broken the franchisee agreement and therefore its terminated, now you have lost everything including the 10 grand what you handed over and your months of hard work.

In short, why the hell would you risk doing a few jobs "on the side" when you know whats a stake....now that would be a stupid person...

.


The reason you would do it is over time you build your own round that initial 10k is then disposable , no one with half a brain would want to continue paying royalties to someone when they can build there own round and keep 100% of what they earn , let’s face it it’s not rocket science to build and run a window round is it . There are plenty of muppets on hear doing it already 😂😂

The point you are missing is that its against the franchise agreement to do that and if you have just handed over a few grand then why would you risk it. You could get found out on your first few jobs on the side, then what you have nothing.

Plus you are assuming everyone is a snake.

I just cannot see why anyone would go into it when they could build there own round easily  , I am genuinely interested as I have more  work than I can shake a stick at and have been actively turning it away I don’t want to sell leads as if who ever does the job and they do a bad job It reflects badly on me  , I could easily put another van in the road every few months so the franchising route could work well for me ,but as I said earlier I cannot understand why anyone would want to pay me royalties when they could build there own work up easily .

[Smudger]

The nearest experience I have is a friend runs a mobile dog grooming service - which is a franchise he been doing for 10 years - it cost him about 20k - they supplied the work and the kit - he had to supply a van to be converted - years ago I said why didn't he just get more customers and them ditch the franchise - he told me they take a percentage fee every month based on the initial work supplied and new leads - if this dramatically dropped he would still have to pay the said amount, if he failed to do this they had the right to reclaim all the equipment and his customer book and ensure he couldn't work doing dog grooming for 1 yr

im sure there was room for a fiddle here and there but the franchise kept him busy with work - he didn't need to worry about advertising or new work and chemicals were supplied cheaper than he could buy + they were obligated to repair/replace equipment

Its a set up that suits both parties

Darran

[Smudger]

Splash - your missing one simple point - You run a successful business ( you have the fore cite, skill, determination etc) to go out and make it work - so many people don't - worry about getting work - my FIL was like this spend 4k on gutter vac - but just couldn't get out to drop leaflets, canvass, advertise - in the end I did all this for him

same as why would anyone be an employee -? ( not me ever again - but I see why most people want to be employed )

Darran