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NWH

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Re: Immersion element crushing the tank
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2021, 10:17:09 am »
Insulated or not if the steam can’t escape you’ll get pressure and Nathan had such an explosion he ended up in Scotland 🤣🤣, I’ve had pressure in my tank when it’s sat for ages recirculating back to tank if I’ve been dodging the rain for a while.
I have a large air hole but the 6” lid still hissed a bit on release.

G Griffin

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Re: Immersion element crushing the tank
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2021, 10:38:14 am »
Insulated or not if the steam can’t escape you’ll get pressure and Nathan had such an explosion he ended up in Scotland 🤣🤣,  ;D ;
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NWH

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Re: Immersion element crushing the tank
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2021, 11:44:27 am »
If you heater element a static tank and transfer it to van if you don’t have a big enough air hole you’ll still get a build up of pressure,that bloke that has the tank buckling I’d get a new tank in there and drill some decent sized air holes before you end up in the highlands with Nathan 🤣🤣🤣

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Re: Immersion element crushing the tank
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2021, 12:33:55 pm »
Nigel, you're talking complete nonsense!
The tank is vented, if it wasn't you couldn't fill it with water. Water enters and air escapes, you replace air with water- basic physics. Where do you get the idea that condensation can create pressure? For one thing, once the tank is filled, there would be very little surface area available to condense on. For another, all that could possibly condense has had to originate from the same source to begin with. If the source of the pressure was internal then the tank could only expand, it wouldn't contract surely. To contract the pressure would have to be applied externally. To contract internally, you would have to create vacuum at a greater rate than the vent can counter balance at- and nothing we are discussing here is going to do that.
My guess is the sides of the tank are expanding with the heat thus pulling the top downwards- or the top of the tank is weaker than normal and just sinks with the heat.
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Dave Willis

Re: Immersion element crushing the tank
« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2021, 12:37:56 pm »
It’s true. Sometimes my 650l tank goes down to the size of a crisp packet by the end of the day. I just pop in an alkaseltzer and it pumps itself back up.

NWH

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Re: Immersion element crushing the tank
« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2021, 03:24:30 pm »
You put 50 odd degree water in a tank and put the lid on with a japs eye vent you’ll get a build up of pressure coz the hot water will produce steam.

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Re: Immersion element crushing the tank
« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2021, 03:29:35 pm »
You put 50 odd degree water in a tank and put the lid on with a japs eye vent you’ll get a build up of pressure coz the hot water will produce steam.

If that was true then the tank top would expand, not contract! I'm assuming you know the difference?
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NWH

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Re: Immersion element crushing the tank
« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2021, 03:44:14 pm »
Yeah it may expand in a part of the tank too as mentioned on this thread he said it had swollen out on a section.

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Re: Immersion element crushing the tank
« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2021, 03:54:31 pm »
Yeah it may expand in a part of the tank too as mentioned on this thread he said it had swollen out on a section.

That's the opposite to what you have earlier implied.  Earlier you said condensing water vapour would lower the internal pressure of the tank, thus creating the crushing/imploding. In fact, you were so convinced by this, it was a particular reason for you not to use this system. You're either imploding or exploding, contracting or expanding.  Which one?  If the sides of the tank expand, this is due to heat softening the tank walls then the weight of the water inside, not pressure created by 'steam' with a tank of water gently and gradually heated, in a 'vented' tank to 65 degrees at best.
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NWH

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Re: Immersion element crushing the tank
« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2021, 04:38:01 pm »
Mod note: Post removed.

Smudger

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Re: Immersion element crushing the tank
« Reply #30 on: January 08, 2021, 04:41:14 pm »
Yea I did say that you scrutinise my posts I reckon you’d like to expand my bottom tank and split me.

come on Nigel be the better man admit you talked a load of old billy bull

Darran
Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience

NWH

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Re: Immersion element crushing the tank
« Reply #31 on: January 08, 2021, 04:52:44 pm »
Speak to Neil at plastic water tanks about venting a tank or come to that installing a proper tank in a vehicle,come to that yet again ask his opinion on anyone who installs a wyvale type tank in a van lol he like to swear does Neil.

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Re: Immersion element crushing the tank
« Reply #32 on: January 08, 2021, 04:55:39 pm »
Speak to Neil at plastic water tanks about venting a tank or come to that installing a proper tank in a vehicle,come to that yet again ask his opinion on anyone who installs a wyvale type tank in a van lol he like to swear does Neil.

Better still, ask Neil to come on here and confirm your statements. 👍
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dazmond

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Re: Immersion element crushing the tank
« Reply #33 on: January 08, 2021, 05:28:47 pm »
Nigel its wydale not wyvale.......there is nothing wrong with wydale tanks at all.....I have a 500L upright in my van inside a PF frame......never had any problems....I dont get leaks from the lid either like some guys do!
price higher/work harder!

P @ F

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Re: Immersion element crushing the tank
« Reply #34 on: January 08, 2021, 07:44:48 pm »
Can we get a picture of this tank ?
I'm so lazy I'm getting tired of it !

NWH

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Re: Immersion element crushing the tank
« Reply #35 on: January 08, 2021, 07:54:35 pm »
Nigel its wydale not wyvale.......there is nothing wrong with wydale tanks at all.....I have a 500L upright in my van inside a PF frame......never had any problems....I dont get leaks from the lid either like some guys do!
Wydale Wyvale either way you look at it Daz they are only good for a static,farmers love em they keep there water in em they stick one on the back of a quad and drive to the sheep to give them water 🤣,it’s the same as IBC tanks they have no baffles and whys that ? It’s because they are supposed to be static.

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Re: Immersion element crushing the tank
« Reply #36 on: January 08, 2021, 08:06:37 pm »
Nigel its wydale not wyvale.......there is nothing wrong with wydale tanks at all.....I have a 500L upright in my van inside a PF frame......never had any problems....I dont get leaks from the lid either like some guys do!
Wydale Wyvale either way you look at it Daz they are only good for a static,farmers love em they keep there water in em they stick one on the back of a quad and drive to the sheep to give them water 🤣,it’s the same as IBC tanks they have no baffles and whys that ? It’s because they are supposed to be static.

Wydale tanks are baffled you berk! Oh dear.🙄
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tlwcs

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Re: Immersion element crushing the tank
« Reply #37 on: January 08, 2021, 08:08:10 pm »
Can we get a picture of this tank ?

I’ll put one up tomorrow.
I think its the way it’s strapped.
Changed the van 15 months ago, bought tank and cage/frame but then went to work. One of those jobs eh?
Thanks for everyone’s contribution, well nearly!

NWH

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Re: Immersion element crushing the tank
« Reply #38 on: January 08, 2021, 08:14:57 pm »
Nigel its wydale not wyvale.......there is nothing wrong with wydale tanks at all.....I have a 500L upright in my van inside a PF frame......never had any problems....I dont get leaks from the lid either like some guys do!
Wydale Wyvale either way you look at it Daz they are only good for a static,farmers love em they keep there water in em they stick one on the back of a quad and drive to the sheep to give them water 🤣,it’s the same as IBC tanks they have no baffles and whys that ? It’s because they are supposed to be static.

Wydale tanks are baffled you berk! Oh dear.🙄
There’s baffled and baffled you know like some women are for looking at you fool,that tells me everything I needed to know about you if you think that’s a suitable baffled tank 🤣🤣 I’ve had 1 the last time I felt like that I was just about to arrive in France 🇫🇷 lol.
All I can say is it’s a good job you don’t design tanks for fire engines.

֍Winp®oClean֍

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Re: Immersion element crushing the tank
« Reply #39 on: January 08, 2021, 08:25:36 pm »
Nigel its wydale not wyvale.......there is nothing wrong with wydale tanks at all.....I have a 500L upright in my van inside a PF frame......never had any problems....I dont get leaks from the lid either like some guys do!
Wydale Wyvale either way you look at it Daz they are only good for a static,farmers love em they keep there water in em they stick one on the back of a quad and drive to the sheep to give them water 🤣,it’s the same as IBC tanks they have no baffles and whys that ? It’s because they are supposed to be static.

Wydale tanks are baffled you berk! Oh dear.🙄
There’s baffled and baffled you know like some women are for looking at you fool,that tells me everything I needed to know about you if you think that’s a suitable baffled tank 🤣🤣 I’ve had 1 the last time I felt like that I was just about to arrive in France 🇫🇷 lol.
All I can say is it’s a good job you don’t design tanks for fire engines.

Oh dear, an expert in baffled tanks now too.🙄
Just watch your house doesn't implode when you wake up to condensation on the windows tomorrow morning!😆
Comfortably Numb!