Fairy is what i was doing, but what a f**k about that is with cold! The screw fix stuff looks like a good bet from the Bg.Kuna post, as ive also since come across it, whilst i was looking into this problem after my post. I also remembered that i have some nearly full 6yr old (opened) G101 by autosmart in storage, and maybe this should also do it? But its cold water im using......