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zesty

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If you’re not on a water meter...
« on: August 27, 2020, 01:10:05 pm »
...how do you work out tax deductibility on the water bill?

Might be moving to house without a water meter. Not sure how it works out for tax deductions...

Jonny 87

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Re: If you’re not on a water meter...
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2020, 01:13:38 pm »
It’s literally pennies.

Water rates are including in the council tax, you’ll get a letter with a break down.

I think ours is £20 or something a month total. Work use will be hardly anything money wise.
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alank

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Re: If you’re not on a water meter...
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2020, 01:41:08 pm »
I'm not on a meter and don't bother working it out.

zesty

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Re: If you’re not on a water meter...
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2020, 01:44:53 pm »
Quote
It’s literally pennies.

Water rates are including in the council tax, you’ll get a letter with a break down.

I think ours is £20 or something a month total. Work use will be hardly anything money wise.








That’s Scotland mate, here in England, it’s worked out on ‘rateable value’.

Let’s say it’s £600 a year. I’m wondering how much I can deduct for purifying water. I.e 25% or whatever.

I’m not too bothered, but if I can reduce my tax bill down by £200 just for purifying water, I might as well  ;D

windowswashed

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Re: If you’re not on a water meter...
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2020, 03:22:36 pm »
Water bill is over £1k a year, it's ridiculous

Jonny 87

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Re: If you’re not on a water meter...
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2020, 03:41:53 pm »
Quote
It’s literally pennies.

Water rates are including in the council tax, you’ll get a letter with a break down.

I think ours is £20 or something a month total. Work use will be hardly anything money wise.








That’s Scotland mate, here in England, it’s worked out on ‘rateable value’.

Let’s say it’s £600 a year. I’m wondering how much I can deduct for purifying water. I.e 25% or whatever.

I’m not too bothered, but if I can reduce my tax bill down by £200 just for purifying water, I might as well  ;D

Is it that much? Didn’t realise the difference was that large.   :o

If that’s the case then get counting. It’s a decent saving.
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zesty

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Re: If you’re not on a water meter...
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2020, 04:18:50 pm »
Can be even more mate, some people are paying well over a grand in England for unmetered water.

Basically it goes by rateable values set back in the 70’s & 80’s.

I’ve no idea what this house will be, but I reckon at least £600 a year.

zesty

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Re: If you’re not on a water meter...
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2020, 04:19:50 pm »
Water bill is over £1k a year, it's ridiculous

Unmetered?

Spruce

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Re: If you’re not on a water meter...
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2020, 04:31:13 pm »
Receiver will not allow you to claim a % of unmetered water against tax.

They told me I'm paying that amount for residential use anyway whether I was window cleaning or not. Its the same with clothing. If you use ordinary (no logo) clothing for work you can't claim it as you would have to wear clothes anyway.

I wear bib and brace for work. I asked if I could change my business name to Dickies but it went over the interviewer's head. One of the qualifications for working at the Receiver is not to have a sense of humour.
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Spruce

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Re: If you’re not on a water meter...
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2020, 04:33:03 pm »
Can be even more mate, some people are paying well over a grand in England for unmetered water.

Basically it goes by rateable values set back in the 70’s & 80’s.

I’ve no idea what this house will be, but I reckon at least £600 a year.

Ours is around that - 10 months at £57 per month.
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zesty

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Re: If you’re not on a water meter...
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2020, 09:30:20 pm »
Can be even more mate, some people are paying well over a grand in England for unmetered water.

Basically it goes by rateable values set back in the 70’s & 80’s.

I’ve no idea what this house will be, but I reckon at least £600 a year.

Ours is around
 that - 10 months at £57 per month.

Unmetered spruce? If so, I’d be loving that! Cheap as chips for using all the water you want  ;D


G Griffin

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Re: If you’re not on a water meter...
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2020, 10:53:08 pm »
Receiver will not allow you to claim a % of unmetered water against tax.

They told me I'm paying that amount for residential use anyway whether I was window cleaning or not. Its the same with clothing. If you use ordinary (no logo) clothing for work you can't claim it as you would have to wear clothes anyway.

I wear bib and brace for work. I asked if I could change my business name to Dickies but it went over the interviewer's head. One of the qualifications for working at the Receiver is not to have a sense of humour.
That's not strictly true, Spruce. Even your company name or logo mightn't be enough; it could still be classed as everyday wardrobe. You might get away with it as an advertising expense but you also might not.
A specialist uniform (nurse) and protective gear is ok though. Probably  ;D.
It's not that clear-cut.
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dazmond

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Re: If you’re not on a water meter...
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2020, 07:50:50 am »
Receiver will not allow you to claim a % of unmetered water against tax.

They told me I'm paying that amount for residential use anyway whether I was window cleaning or not. Its the same with clothing. If you use ordinary (no logo) clothing for work you can't claim it as you would have to wear clothes anyway.

I wear bib and brace for work. I asked if I could change my business name to Dickies but it went over the interviewer's head. One of the qualifications for working at the Receiver is not to have a sense of humour.
That's not strictly true, Spruce. Even your company name or logo mightn't be enough; it could still be classed as everyday wardrobe. You might get away with it as an advertising expense but you also might not.
A specialist uniform (nurse) and protective gear is ok though. Probably  ;D.
It's not that clear-cut.

I always put my work clothes through expenses and have done for years(steel toecap boots,waterproof jackets(I have 4),combat shorts/pants,polo shirts,gloves,etc...just keep all receipts......👍


price higher/work harder!

LBWCS

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Re: If you’re not on a water meter...
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2020, 08:40:25 am »
Receiver will not allow you to claim a % of unmetered water against tax.

They told me I'm paying that amount for residential use anyway whether I was window cleaning or not. Its the same with clothing. If you use ordinary (no logo) clothing for work you can't claim it as you would have to wear clothes anyway.

I wear bib and brace for work. I asked if I could change my business name to Dickies but it went over the interviewer's head. One of the qualifications for working at the Receiver is not to have a sense of humour.
That's not strictly true, Spruce. Even your company name or logo mightn't be enough; it could still be classed as everyday wardrobe. You might get away with it as an advertising expense but you also might not.
A specialist uniform (nurse) and protective gear is ok though. Probably  ;D.
It's not that clear-cut.

I always put my work clothes through expenses and have done for years(steel toecap boots,waterproof jackets(I have 4),combat shorts/pants,polo shirts,gloves,etc...just keep all receipts......👍
Combat pants??? I hope that’s an Americanism and not Y’s for the hot weather

G Griffin

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Re: If you’re not on a water meter...
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2020, 08:44:01 am »
'A uniform is a set of specialised clothing that's recognisable as identifying someone as having a particular occupation, for example nurse or police uniforms'.

From the gov.uk website.

Polo shirts, trousers, shorts, fleeces etc. might count as your everyday wardrobe and are therefore not an allowable expense.
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Spruce

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Re: If you’re not on a water meter...
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2020, 08:59:34 am »
Receiver will not allow you to claim a % of unmetered water against tax.

They told me I'm paying that amount for residential use anyway whether I was window cleaning or not. Its the same with clothing. If you use ordinary (no logo) clothing for work you can't claim it as you would have to wear clothes anyway.

I wear bib and brace for work. I asked if I could change my business name to Dickies but it went over the interviewer's head. One of the qualifications for working at the Receiver is not to have a sense of humour.
That's not strictly true, Spruce. Even your company name or logo mightn't be enough; it could still be classed as everyday wardrobe. You might get away with it as an advertising expense but you also might not.
A specialist uniform (nurse) and protective gear is ok though. Probably  ;D.
It's not that clear-cut.

I agree and have never gone down the route of wearing and claiming a uniform with a logo. I think you could argue your case with lettered clothing if they allow the cost of sign writing your van as a claimable expense.

The other thing that was mentioned was footwear. If you wear steel capped boots then this was classed as safety equipment and claimable against tax. If you wear standard shoes/trainers/walking boots etc for working then they aren't claimable.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

NBwcs

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Re: If you’re not on a water meter...
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2020, 09:20:58 am »
Receiver will not allow you to claim a % of unmetered water against tax.

They told me I'm paying that amount for residential use anyway whether I was window cleaning or not. Its the same with clothing. If you use ordinary (no logo) clothing for work you can't claim it as you would have to wear clothes anyway.

I wear bib and brace for work. I asked if I could change my business name to Dickies but it went over the interviewer's head. One of the qualifications for working at the Receiver is not to have a sense of humour.

They told me the same. No consistency though, by that reckoning, you shouldn't be able to claim for your phone either then if your on a  unlimited call/text price plan,as it doesn't cost anymore to call/text customers,but I bet most people do and probably are allowed to.

Spruce

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Re: If you’re not on a water meter...
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2020, 09:21:13 am »
Receiver will not allow you to claim a % of unmetered water against tax.

They told me I'm paying that amount for residential use anyway whether I was window cleaning or not. Its the same with clothing. If you use ordinary (no logo) clothing for work you can't claim it as you would have to wear clothes anyway.

I wear bib and brace for work. I asked if I could change my business name to Dickies but it went over the interviewer's head. One of the qualifications for working at the Receiver is not to have a sense of humour.
That's not strictly true, Spruce. Even your company name or logo mightn't be enough; it could still be classed as everyday wardrobe. You might get away with it as an advertising expense but you also might not.
A specialist uniform (nurse) and protective gear is ok though. Probably  ;D.
It's not that clear-cut.

I always put my work clothes through expenses and have done for years(steel toecap boots,waterproof jackets(I have 4),combat shorts/pants,polo shirts,gloves,etc...just keep all receipts......👍

If your income annual  tax return doesn't attract the attention of the receiver then you are getting away with claiming those items.
If they did an investigation then they would outlaw some of those claims against tax.
It's called self assessment and they ask you to pay tax against the profits of your business the way you see your business tax wise. But it all changes when they investigate. They then apply their rules.

As far as I'm concerned I could and often do wear my bib and brace when not working. However, if I chose to wear overalls then this could only be classed as work wear.  Mechanics claim overalls against tax if they have to buy them themselves. If I did turn I would ask for clarification.




Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Spruce

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Re: If you’re not on a water meter...
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2020, 09:38:29 am »
Receiver will not allow you to claim a % of unmetered water against tax.

They told me I'm paying that amount for residential use anyway whether I was window cleaning or not. Its the same with clothing. If you use ordinary (no logo) clothing for work you can't claim it as you would have to wear clothes anyway.

I wear bib and brace for work. I asked if I could change my business name to Dickies but it went over the interviewer's head. One of the qualifications for working at the Receiver is not to have a sense of humour.

They told me the same. No consistency though, by that reckoning, you shouldn't be able to claim for your phone either then if your on a  unlimited call/text price plan,as it doesn't cost anymore to call/text customers,but I bet most people do and probably are allowed to.

That subject also came up. They said the same. But that was 16 years ago when I had the interview with the receiver so I didn't know how or if that had since changed. I was told I could claim a certain percentage against tax if I had a pay as you go phone - business and private usage split.
So I have always had a pay as you go phone. But if I changed my round to a cloud based one or added a card reader facility, then having a contract raises other questions about how to claim that against tax. It could be argued the other way. I wouldn't need a phone with unlimited text and calls if I didn't need it for business and that each call I make privately didn't change the cost to the business.

I think the inconsistencies are because it's impossible to make a rule for each receiver employee to follow.


Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

LBWCS

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Re: If you’re not on a water meter...
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2020, 10:00:34 am »
So if Vodafone bought their staff red fleeces with Vodafone logo they wouldn’t claim that against their tax??? My conscience is very clean claiming peronalised work wear with my logo on it. Same principle with stationary. That’s why I’m putting my Armani trainers through the books this years  ;D ;D ;D