[Dave Willis]

Basically a copy of the Wagtail pivot point from what I can see. Wouldn’t take much for Willie to produce one with adjustable limit stops.
I think he’s produced one called the ‘power pivot’ complete with nylon bearing. Way ahead of Herman.
Think I’ll stick to Gardiners though 

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

The Gardiner angled works for me. In fact, it works better than ever with the close coupled jet tubes!!👍

[Dave Willis]

I’ve not tried the angled plate, I’ll add one to my next order, need a new baseball cap too mine’s fried in the sun. 

Got a pic of those close coupled jet tubes?

[M & C Window Cleaning]

The Gardiner angled works for me. In fact, it works better than ever with the close coupled jet tubes!!👍

I've modded mine as I like even more angle otherwise can't really fault it. Three small self tapping screws along the top edge of the plate makes the angle adjustable to where I like it

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

[Dave Willis]

👍 I see.

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

You don't get any resistance from the jet tubes.👍this is all it is.. cut tubes to length.

[Dave Willis]

Will be adjusting mine tomorrow I feel 👍
............ maybe not, don’t think I have those 90 degree push fits.

[M & C Window Cleaning]

The way I see it Herman, is that it's like other tools.  Take for example a spanner. You could have a flat spanner, a cranked spanner, ring spanner, open spanner and so on, all the same size. Two or three different types of spanner may do the same job. Some jobs though require just one type and none of the others will do the job.  A job that requires a box spanner come to mind.  Among both my late father and father in laws tools we found spanners that had been adapted to do specific jobs that they couldn't find spanners for in traditional tool shops of the day.

All these swivels are variations of the same tool, and some are better suited to one persons needs than others. Some of us have taken what's available and adapted them to suit our own needs or preferences. It looks to me that you have done the same

[Dave Willis]

It’s still a copy of a wagtail pivot.
For that reason I don’t think many manufacturers will be changing their designs any time soon.
You knocked that up years ago I remember from a wagtail. Why not produce your own?
It’s a problem to you but not a problem to us, stability doesn’t seem to be affected enough for me to worry about.
Alex is obviously aware of your criticisms and I guess you’ve clashed before on another forum.
To try and force his hand through this forum to accept your ideas though is a bit underhand to be honest.

[M & C Window Cleaning]

As I see it, the only way to fix that problem completely Herman, would be to fit the swivel mechanism simple as it is, in the brush stock. Even your effort, as close to the brush as it is, is still behind the brush as Dave has pointed out.  I’ve no doubt it feels slightly different, but not enough to make it a game changer. What we have works very well for those of us that want or need to use them.

[Dave Willis]

No the one you made was worse than that.
I remember also you showing how to copy Gardiners Carbon goosenecks too with bent plastic. Hardly original or fair to Gardiners.

[Dave Willis]

Some of your designs are so professional that I’m surprised nobody has pinched them to be honest?

[Dave Willis]

There you go. A WAGTAIL.

[Dave Willis]

How to copy Gardiners designs with a bent bit of plastic!

[Dave Willis]

You’re using other peoples designs who have spent time developing them, inventing them then using them for your own means and chucking them back in there faces. Very gentlemanly!

[Slacky]

The way I see it Herman, is that it's like other tools.  Take for example a spanner. You could have a flat spanner, a cranked spanner, ring spanner, open spanner and so on, all the same size. Two or three different types of spanner may do the same job. Some jobs though require just one type and none of the others will do the job.  A job that requires a box spanner come to mind.  Among both my late father and father in laws tools we found spanners that had been adapted to do specific jobs that they couldn't find spanners for in traditional tool shops of the day.

All these swivels are variations of the same tool, and some are better suited to one persons needs than others. Some of us have taken what's available and adapted them to suit our own needs or preferences. It looks to me that you have done the same

The spanner analogy.

Hmm, seems appropriate in an odd sort of way.

[Dave Willis]

It’s a WAGTAIL

[Dave Willis]

Oh, you didn’t copy it then? It just so happened to turn out the exact same angle, the same length as the carbon one by coincidence and landed on the table next to it?

[Dave Willis]

You didn’t copy Willy Erkins pivot design but you just happened to bolt a wagtail to your brush?