[M & C Window Cleaning]

As I see it, the only way to fix that problem completely Herman, would be to fit the swivel mechanism simple as it is, in the brush stock. Even your effort, as close to the brush as it is, is still behind the brush as Dave has pointed out.  I’ve no doubt it feels slightly different, but not enough to make it a game changer. What we have works very well for those of us that want or need to use them.

You mean have the swivel in the the brush  itself .
Like in this video we done in 2015 we found this was a bit restrictive but as you can see it worked.
https://youtu.be/VfNyV9A3oDg

Yep, that's it. However, as you then discovered the amount of swivel was affected. Nothing is perfect. Therefore, compromise must take place. Moving the axis back just behind the brush gives you 90° of swivel and only a little instability. That instability is only slight and is easily controllable

[Dave Willis]

....... and brushes like the xtreme have such narrow stocks the difference wouldn’t be much.

[M & C Window Cleaning]

Herman's angle originates immediately at the brush stock. Gardiner's angled version starts at 90 before it angles.
These angles do make a difference, you'll never know this difference unless you have tried and compared, as it's almost impossible to explain it otherwise.
You would immediately know the difference between Herman's and a 90 degree swivel if you tried both. Less so with the angled one unless you were a seasoned swiveller😁 .

I feel experimentation coming on 

First experiment with what I had to hand.

I have modded one of my swivels so the pressure point is no longer in the middle of the brush but more toward the top edge of the brush.





As I mentioned before I like a bit more angle on my brush. That mod can also be seen in the pics.

I've tried it on my own home and wouldn't say the feel is outstandingly different but it is noticeable.  So I will spend a day with it next week on a wider variety of windows and see how it performs

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

Herman's angle originates immediately at the brush stock. Gardiner's angled version starts at 90 before it angles.
These angles do make a difference, you'll never know this difference unless you have tried and compared, as it's almost impossible to explain it otherwise.
You would immediately know the difference between Herman's and a 90 degree swivel if you tried both. Less so with the angled one unless you were a seasoned swiveller😁 .

I feel experimentation coming on 

First experiment with what I had to hand.

I have modded one of my swivels so the pressure point is no longer in the middle of the brush but more toward the top edge of the brush.





As I mentioned before I like a bit more angle on my brush. That mod can also be seen in the pics.

I've tried it on my own home and wouldn't say the feel is outstandingly different but it is noticeable.  So I will spend a day with it next week on a wider variety of windows and see how it performs

It's a funny one this swivel malarkey 😁
You still have more than one angle before your pivot though. Even so, you have still noticed a difference. As already said and seemingly widely accepted, Gardiner's current offerings are more than sufficient. Would the difference between these current swivels and a 'ultimate' one be worth the tooling, expense etc etc? Probably not..... and we'll probably never find out.😄
Keep it up though, all good stuff.👍

[M & C Window Cleaning]

It's an even funnier malarkey when you attach one to the gooseneck valve. But it can be made to work. It's not perfect but then neither is the univalve. They both have their quirks. However, at the moment I'm favouring the Gooseneck valve. I also like the fact that all the individual parts are available from Gardiners.

[Smudger]

Good god, that looks like a wagtail to me....


 


Darran

[P @ F]

I truly am lost for words 

[Dave Willis]

Yep, definitely a wagtail pivot copy.

Why have you changed the original post? Fixed brush sockets still have a place in our toolbox, you don’t want to clean gutters with a floppy swivel or conservatory finials.

[Dave Willis]

Wagga’s even got the T shirt.
Would you like a Gardiners cap Herman? I could probably get one.

[Spruce]

Have you thought about taking up a hobby such as Genealogy for example Herman? 

BTW. I'm quite happy with my Gardiner's swivel.  What I would like to see is one that could be locked at 90 degrees so it becomes  fixed.
Unger has a swivel squeegee that does this but it doesn't work properly on either of the squeegees we have.

Maybe you could focus on this. I'm sure it will become a major hit and all the manufacturers will be fighting over your patented swivel.
But it mustn't look like the contraption Wagga is proudly promoting. We don't need a sky scraper that sticks up above the top of the brush stock or that extends from the top of the pole by a meter.

[Lee GLS]

Have you thought about taking up a hobby such as Genealogy for example Herman? 

BTW. I'm quite happy with my Gardiner's swivel.  What I would like to see is one that could be locked at 90 degrees so it becomes  fixed.
Unger has a swivel squeegee that does this but it doesn't work properly on either of the squeegees we have.

Maybe you could focus on this. I'm sure it will become a major hit and all the manufacturers will be fighting over your patented swivel.
But it mustn't look like the contraption Wagga is proudly promoting. We don't need a sky scraper that sticks up above the top of the brush stock or that extends from the top of the pole by a meter.

Reach it have already made one of these but it probably wouldn’t fit a Gardiner pole

[Spruce]

Have you thought about taking up a hobby such as Genealogy for example Herman? 

BTW. I'm quite happy with my Gardiner's swivel.  What I would like to see is one that could be locked at 90 degrees so it becomes  fixed.
Unger has a swivel squeegee that does this but it doesn't work properly on either of the squeegees we have.

Maybe you could focus on this. I'm sure it will become a major hit and all the manufacturers will be fighting over your patented swivel.
But it mustn't look like the contraption Wagga is proudly promoting. We don't need a sky scraper that sticks up above the top of the brush stock or that extends from the top of the pole by a meter.

As said before this is self adjusting and no need to lock  in any angles.

No Herman. I want the swivel itself to lock.

Currently if I want a fixed brush head I have to change brushes - simple enough with Quick-Loq but it would be much quicker if I didn't have to.

[Lee GLS]

This is the one that can lock in place to stop it swivelling

https://www.wash-it.co.uk/product-page/side-2-side-swivel-adaptor

[Spruce]

This is the one that can lock in place to stop it swivelling

https://www.wash-it.co.uk/product-page/side-2-side-swivel-adaptor

Yes, Thanks Lee GLS. But I would like one that fits my SLX pole. So what I was suggesting to SH (Swivel Herman ) is that he designs a universal one that fits the Quick-Loq system for us Gardiner pole fans.  I will never buy a reach-it pole just to have a swivel that locks as and when I want it.

I have come to appreciate how much easier a swivel is but there are many jobs where both a swivel and a fixed head would be advantageous - on my round anyway.

[Dave Willis]

Bit of a long shot I know, but my budgie has got arthritic feet and he has been complaining a lot lately .
You wouldn’t know anyone who could design a special perch for him?
He’d be absolutely trilled if anyone could help!

[M & C Window Cleaning]

Well my little experiment didn't reveal any better way.
The sweet spot, when the swivel works at it best, is when the the centre of the swivel is in line with the centre of the pole and the brush is directly in front of the swivel and set at the angle I like to work at. This works well and feels nicely balanced. Unfortunately when we have to alter the angle of the gooseneck to reach behind deep widow ledges it isn't possible to always have the brush directly in front of the pole and swivel. So we just have to accept that sometimes it may feel a little unbalanced. But if you have a good grip on the pole then this is not a big issue

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

Actually, the Gardiner angled swivel, in conjunction with the close coupled jet assembly is pretty much the ultimate combination! When you have no resistance from the jet tubes it makes a considerable difference. I've been using swivels for 15 years and Gardiner ones since conception but only now can I genuinely declare.... I'm 100% happy with it- rather than 90 ish%. Clamp the pole hose to give enough to allow 100% swivel action (this also doubles as a univalve hose stop), then set the jet assembly as tight and close as possible and Bob's your uncle!! 💪🙂💪

[Dave Willis]

Got to get me those close coupled connectors! I extended the pole hose a little but the jet tubes and push fit foul the glass occasionally. Swivel works great, better than ever 

[Dave Willis]

This one locks too apparently, shouldn’t be difficult to adapt a locking/tensioning system on a Gardiners swivel for those requiring one I would have thought.

[M & C Window Cleaning]

Well my little experiment didn't reveal any better way.
The sweet spot, when the swivel works at it best, is when the the centre of the swivel is in line with the centre of the pole and the brush is directly in front of the swivel and set at the angle I like to work at. This works well and feels nicely balanced. Unfortunately when we have to alter the angle of the gooseneck to reach behind deep widow ledges it isn't possible to always have the brush directly in front of the pole and swivel. So we just have to accept that sometimes it may feel a little unbalanced. But if you have a good grip on the pole then this is not a big issue

If you could tell me what angle you had on the bracket Think that of been 30%??
Of cause you can use the brush vertical standing off to the side of the window as in our 1st video no up/down motion.

The problem is Herman, that that angle only works as long as you keep everything in a straight line, your pole, your adjustable gooseneck etc so that you brush is exactly in line with end of the pole. Mine feels great in that position. However, as soon as you make an adjustment to the angle of your gooseneck to account say for a deep window ledge or a confined working space,  the angle of the brush in relation to the pole changes. So it's all about finding what works best for each individual most of the time. There is no swivel in the world that can auto adjust to all the variables we throw at it.