[windowswashed]

That vid on you tube is pretty pants. Herman keeps hitting the sofitts, that's no good. If you've had golfers elbow that would be murder on the elbow trying to work sideways. Keep the pole straight in front, so much easyier.

[Dave Willis]

They don't know they're born these days!!😆

I’ve got a box full of them somewhere! Used to drill through them and fit a split pin 😀

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

They don't know they're born these days!!😆

I’ve got a box full of them somewhere! Used to drill through them and fit a split pin 😀

Them were the days young Davith, I used to put a bent nail through mine to stop it popping out!!💪👍😁
Desperate times 'n all that😲😉

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

what H man is trying to get across but you can't see by the video (and probably never will) is that his swivel allows for greater rotation without affecting the plane of the brush to the glass- just like a MKI Gaz swivel. This does make for a better actual pivot action.... but everything else is in favour of the Gardiner ones.

[Dave Willis]

Yep the old gaz ball and socket swivel wasn’t bad but wasn’t particularly strong and was prone to popping apart just at the wrong moment 😀 very little adjustment to tension either.
The wagtail swivel may well work too for wfp but Willy has probably patented that.
Unfortunately Herman seems to have problems communicating anything other than criticising everyone elses products without explaining anything.
The Gardiners swivel is fine by me. I’m sure Alex would update it if he felt it needed it.
The action can be improved by using longer jet tubes than standard and a collar (zip tie) to give a bit more slack on the pole hose from  angle adjuster to brush.

[AuRavelling79]

Take my word for it Herman. I use it daily on 99% of my jobs. Twist the pole and it rotates left or right. Rotate on the glass horizontal or vertical. What would you like to copy?

Same here.

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

Yep the old gaz ball and socket swivel wasn’t bad but wasn’t particularly strong and was prone to popping apart just at the wrong moment 😀 very little adjustment to tension either.
The wagtail swivel may well work too for wfp but Willy has probably patented that.
Unfortunately Herman seems to have problems communicating anything other than criticising everyone elses products without explaining anything.
The Gardiners swivel is fine by me. I’m sure Alex would update it if he felt it needed it.
The action can be improved by using longer jet tubes than standard and a collar (zip tie) to give a bit more slack on the pole hose from  angle adjuster to brush.

It was the Gaz MKII if you remember, unfortunately for him we found out where to buy them ourselves cheaper!!😁

The gardiner swivels are more than good enough.  I prefer the angled version that screws direct to the brush stock- then to quick-loq. I'm using the new close coupling tube/jet thingy but like you pull extra pole hose out the top and clamp it with a couple of cable ties. This gives you full and free swivel provision plus acts as a stop for the univalve too.👍

[Spruce]

Yep the old gaz ball and socket swivel wasn’t bad but wasn’t particularly strong and was prone to popping apart just at the wrong moment 😀 very little adjustment to tension either.
The wagtail swivel may well work too for wfp but Willy has probably patented that.
Unfortunately Herman seems to have problems communicating anything other than criticising everyone elses products without explaining anything.
The Gardiners swivel is fine by me. I’m sure Alex would update it if he felt it needed it.
The action can be improved by using longer jet tubes than standard and a collar (zip tie) to give a bit more slack on the pole hose from  angle adjuster to brush.

Alex did that.
He added this later when someone suggested it would work better.

https://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/quick-loqr-angled-swivel-brush-socket-adapter.html

I have the first version as well
https://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/quick-loqr-straight-swivel-brush-socket-adapter.html

As far as I'm concerned the angled swivel socket works better for me.

[Spruce]

They don't know they're born these days!!😆

I’ve got a box full of them somewhere! Used to drill through them and fit a split pin 😀

You also had to drill the hole in exactly the right place.

[Shrek]

You’ve got a serious problem with Gardiners haven’t you? Constantly trying to find problems with his products, but why??
‘Who needs a rinsebar?’ You say in your video , I say who needs a sponge stuck on to an aluminium pole??
I don’t know if your trying to sell something or your just trying to slag of Alex’s products (is it both?) . It puts you in a bad light anyway... you need to be careful and maybe concentrate on your own business.

‘ There is a level of integrity that should be achieved by any business by getting on and doing what it does best. As soon as a competitor puts down another business rather than concentrate on its own, then clearly there is something wrong about what they are doing.

Having said that, there is a clear line between a general bad-mouthing to be perceived as getting ahead of a competitor or out of jealousy, and defamation, which steps over the line and becomes a legal wrong.’

[Dave Willis]

For God sake Herman, what is your problem?
You still haven’t explained the problem we are all experiencing with our swivels?


Everyone else's swivels are in production. Your’s isn’t and never will be, it’s a pile of bodged up crap as usual.
Make your own, put it in production, stop slagging everybody  else’s efforts put your money where your mouth is.

[Alex Gardiner]

Your just trying to slag of Alex’s products (is it both?
‘Who needs a rinsebar?’ You say in your video.
You’ve got a serious problem with Gardiners haven’t you? Constantly trying to find problems with his products, but why??

So why are so upset just have better alliterative swivel to what other manufactures have.
And also understand everyone  oh maybe not everyone is happy using swivels on the Water Fed Brushes .
Because there is nothing that works any better out there at the moment.
As noticed that Alex has changed how the swivel works a few times already, as to Reach-It has changed there swivel movement just recently on there brushes.
So they both trying to solve certain problems with swivel from fed back they get from there uses so to make it more easier and user friendly.
As said earlier that Alex is aware of this movement as well as Perry Tait.
Believe in time one or the other will bring an version of this swivel, if not there is always other manufactures that has been  watching this.

Hi Herman

You have made some comments directed at me so I have responded:

"As noticed that Alex has changed how the swivel works a few times already,"We have not changed the swivel mechanism since we bought it out many years ago - we have brought out alternative versions that connect to different items or with different angles but the swivel 'mechanism' remains unchanged from our first model.

"So they both trying to solve certain problems with swivel from fed back they get from there uses so to make it more easier and user friendly." Not aware of 'certain problems' quite happy with our original swivel 'mechanism' 

"Believe in time one or the other will bring an version of this swivel,"  I don't think we will! I cannot really see any difference as you still pivot on a small bolt the same as everyone else. Even the latest Reach-iT swivel with the large metal disc is actually still pivoting on a small bolt shaft underneath the metal disc. So as far as I can see they are all the same in the 'actual mechanism' of swivel and pivot point. Whilst the look and the angle may vary the 'swivel mechanism' is much the same.

[M & C Window Cleaning]

I think the difference is in the plane of the swivel Alex. The plane of almost all swivel mechanisms I've seen is in line with the Pole. The modified one HMAN is using is a few degrees off that. 



I have never tried one like this so cant comment on whether it feels better or not. I do know that yours does the job for me.

As you may have noticed from my other posts I'm also managing to make it work with the gooseneck valve, which is I must say much better than the Mk1 version

[Dave Willis]

I think the difference is in the plane of the swivel Alex. The plane of almost all swivel mechanisms I've seen is in line with the Pole. The modified one HMAN is using is a few degrees off that. 



I have never tried one like this so cant comment on whether it feels better or not. I do know that yours does the job for me.

As you may have noticed from my other posts I'm also managing to make it work with the gooseneck valve, which is I must say much better than the Mk1 version

Using an angle adapter gives you the option of changing the plane. Always alter mine from top windows to bottom windows anyway. I don’t know how anyone works with a fixed gooseneck particularly with a brush like the xtreme cill brush which requires the right angle to work effectively.

[Dave Willis]

One of these:

[[GQC] Tim]

Good grief what is that contraption you're holding? And why a toothbrush on the end of your pole? So many questions on technique, takes ages with a miniature thing like that.  I can't tell whether is this an elaborate windup or not? 

I use a Gardiner swivel everyday and what you do here I can do as well but more including adjusting angle. So adjusting the angle to completely forward facing and then swiveling up you can use the brush like you've changed it to 90 degree vertical for juliet balcony railings and such.

[M & C Window Cleaning]

Using an angle adapter gives you the option of changing the plane. Always alter mine from top windows to bottom windows anyway. I don’t know how anyone works with a fixed gooseneck particularly with a brush like the xtreme cill brush which requires the right angle to work effectively.

I meant that I've never tried one where the centre of an angled swivel is in line with the centre of the pole. I doubt it would feel much different to what we already do with the angle adjustable gooseneck
I use the same gooseneck as you but the Q-loq version, and like you it allows me to do all I need to do to get the job done

[tlwcs]

See the difference??

Crap over quality?
Have I won?
What have I won?

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

Herman's angle originates immediately at the brush stock. Gardiner's angled version starts at 90 before it angles.
These angles do make a difference, you'll never know this difference unless you have tried and compared, as it's almost impossible to explain it otherwise.
You would immediately know the difference between Herman's and a 90 degree swivel if you tried both. Less so with the angled one unless you were a seasoned swiveller😁 .

[M & C Window Cleaning]

Herman's angle originates immediately at the brush stock. Gardiner's angled version starts at 90 before it angles.
These angles do make a difference, you'll never know this difference unless you have tried and compared, as it's almost impossible to explain it otherwise.
You would immediately know the difference between Herman's and a 90 degree swivel if you tried both. Less so with the angled one unless you were a seasoned swiveller😁 .

I feel experimentation coming on