[NWH]

Makes no difference if you’ve worked and received money I just hope people that have employees haven’t sent them out working while they’ve claimed furlough for them as that is fraud,if they have the fan will get the smelly stuff On it  when they let them go at some point and the disgruntled employee calls HMRC.  You could say the employee wouldn’t know this but he-she only has to make that call just to enquire,it wouldn’t take too long to check that this will happen big time imo anyone who’s done this should be reluctant to let them go 🤣🤣.

[Mike Burd]

Makes no difference if you’ve worked and received money I just hope people that have employees haven’t sent them out working while they’ve claimed furlough for them as that is fraud,if they have the fan will get the smelly stuff On it  when they let them go at some point and the disgruntled employee calls HMRC.  You could say the employee wouldn’t know this but he-she only has to make that call just to enquire,it wouldn’t take too long to check that this will happen big time imo anyone who’s done this should be reluctant to let them go 🤣🤣.

I reckon that’s their main concern.

[LBWCS]

I certainly know of 2 window cleaners who claimed without being adversely affected......I personally told them I thought it was wrong to do so......

They could be in line for an investigation in a few months time....serves them right for being greedy if you ask me.....👎

How can they possibly investigate in a few months time?  the accounts which include the grant won’t be submitted for another year or so.

Exactly

[CleanClear]

I stopped working for 6 weeks . I know I didn't have to , but I chose too.

Me too. I don't forsee any problem there. My bank accounts reflect this as does my Google location history, as does my texts and emails................. simple for me. I'm not worrying in the slightest. Gov message was stay home.................. i did.

my google location was on my couch watching Netflix and stuffing my face lol

Mine too. Although just to be clear i was on my couch and not yours, i've never met you and don't know you !!! 

[CleanClear]

I certainly know of 2 window cleaners who claimed without being adversely affected......I personally told them I thought it was wrong to do so......

They could be in line for an investigation in a few months time....serves them right for being greedy if you ask me.....👎

How can they possibly investigate in a few months time?  the accounts which include the grant won’t be submitted for another year or so.

Exactly

What you mean .."exactly" ? Anyone who took the grant is liable to be contacted and asked. They don't need to wait for your accounts to ask you how you where adversley affected.

[NWH]

The first grant could have been called a gift almost,the concern is people who have furloughed workers and still claimed.
The next one in August is a dilemma for people most wont know even then what the end of the year and early into next year holds,in January they might be saying I should have claimed.

[Shrek]

The first grant could have been called a gift almost,the concern is people who have furloughed workers and still claimed.
The next one in August is a dilemma for people most wont know even then what the end of the year and early into next year holds,in January they might be saying I should have claimed.

The 1st one is exactly the same , it should not have been claimed if you weren’t adversely effected. It was clear from the beginning, all this rubbish about losing window cleaning jobs but been rushed off their feet with fascia & gutter jobs 😁. Yeah Of course You’ve been effected , business has gone through the roof 😆

[G Griffin]

It's not about your accounts, lost profits, increased profits etc etc.
It's whether you've been adversely affected and some examples were given.

[Clever Forum Name]

I claimed the first one and got the full amount of £7500.

01/03/2019 - 14/06/2019

01/03/2020 - 14/06/2020

According to cleaner planner I’m about £400 down compared to last year.

But I’ve lost all my commercial since March and also have another van on the road compared to the same time period.

So profit wise it’s about the same however I should have turned over more?

Input?

[CleanClear]

The first grant could have been called a gift almost,

    Ok !!

[Clever Forum Name]

It's not about your accounts, lost profits, increased profits etc etc.
It's whether you've been adversely affected and some examples were given.

I think you’ve answered my question

[CleanClear]

I claimed the first one and got the full amount of £7500.

01/03/2019 - 14/06/2019

01/03/2020 - 14/06/2020

According to cleaner planner I’m about £400 down compared to last year.

But I’ve lost all my commercial since March and also have another van on the road compared to the same time period.

So profit wise it’s about the same however I should have turned over more?

Input?

Thats great mate. Its not us you need to persuade. If you're asked i'm sure you'll explain it very well to HMRC and they'll fully understand. But remember one thing, they didn't ask where you affected. They asked if you where "adversley" affected...............

[[GQC] Tim]

Cambridge Dictionary:

Adversely:

in a way that has a negative or harmful effect.

Well, that's open to interpretation. Seeing as it was all or nothing I think a lot of people who didn't lose £7500 but still lost work did claim.

However taking the second one might be taking liberties, you'd need to see a very very significant shortfall to take that one as I'm sure HMRC will be on to who claimed the second one, not so much the first one.

Earlier in the year we also had no idea how long and how severe we would be in this mess. Thankfully it seems to be going down. More luck then wisdom if you look at all the idiots out there.

Still have lost work because of it this month and last month. I reckon when the furlough ends things could be bad for some customers.

Regardless I'm keeping a list of all the work I've either lost or was postponed.

[G Griffin]

It's not about your accounts, lost profits, increased profits etc etc.
It's whether you've been adversely affected and some examples were given.

I think you’ve answered my question

If you've had to scale down or temporarily stop trading, yes.

[Clever Forum Name]

I claimed the first one and got the full amount of £7500.

01/03/2019 - 14/06/2019

01/03/2020 - 14/06/2020

According to cleaner planner I’m about £400 down compared to last year.

But I’ve lost all my commercial since March and also have another van on the road compared to the same time period.

So profit wise it’s about the same however I should have turned over more?

Input?

Thats great mate. Its not us you need to persuade. If you're asked i'm sure you'll explain it very well to HMRC and they'll fully understand. But remember one thing, they didn't ask where you affected. They asked if you where "adversley" affected...............

Very true, unfortunately HMRC never sent me a crystal ball 

[CleanClear]

Cambridge Dictionary:

Adversely:

in a way that has a negative or harmful effect.

Well, that's open to interpretation. Seeing as it was all or nothing I think a lot of people who didn't lose £7500 but still lost work did claim.

However taking the second one might be taking liberties, you'd need to see a very very significant shortfall to take that one as I'm sure HMRC will be on to who claimed the second one, not so much the first one.

Earlier in the year we also had no idea how long and how severe we would be in this mess. Thankfully it seems to be going down. More luck then wisdom if you look at all the idiots out there.

Still have lost work because of it this month and last month. I reckon when the furlough ends things could be bad for some customers.

Regardless I'm keeping a list of all the work I've either lost or was postponed.

Open to interpretation as you say Tim. Your interpretation seems to change though     I doubt theirs  will.

[CleanClear]

I claimed the first one and got the full amount of £7500.

01/03/2019 - 14/06/2019

01/03/2020 - 14/06/2020

According to cleaner planner I’m about £400 down compared to last year.

But I’ve lost all my commercial since March and also have another van on the road compared to the same time period.

So profit wise it’s about the same however I should have turned over more?

Input?

Thats great mate. Its not us you need to persuade. If you're asked i'm sure you'll explain it very well to HMRC and they'll fully understand. But remember one thing, they didn't ask where you affected. They asked if you where "adversley" affected...............

Very true, unfortunately HMRC never sent me a crystal ball 

Fair play. One of us is dreading that call............................. explain.....................

[Clever Forum Name]

Third one down the list does it for me. We’re in June and still not doing commercial so that’s enough for me.

[CleanClear]

(I'm saying this bit tongue in cheek, but its true nevertheless)

The Gov decided to bring in private companies to sort out the scroungers of Disability Benefits. They did that to great effect. So much so that people died after being declared "fit to work" . They asked for proof from people with no limbs etc....... It was a complete disaster, ............for anyone who was disabled. A financial success for the Gov though.
The next ones to be reamed will be the people with money, especially the ones who the Gov have just give money to. I'm torn, i don't like to laugh at anyones downfall, but i do like to laugh at stupidity.

[james peters]

I stopped working for 6 weeks . I know I didn't have to , but I chose too.

Me too. I don't forsee any problem there. My bank accounts reflect this as does my Google location history, as does my texts and emails................. simple for me. I'm not worrying in the slightest. Gov message was stay home.................. i did.

my google location was on my couch watching Netflix and stuffing my face lol

Mine too. Although just to be clear i was on my couch and not yours, i've never met you and don't know you !!! 

nothing wrong with my couch...…...though I did smell after week one