[Mike Burd]

I suspect it’s largescale fraud they’re after, but worth a read:

https://inews.co.uk/news/business/coronavirus-uk-latest-rishi-sunak-hmrc-draconian-powers-covid-19-support-claims-444690

[Cookie]

Well, if your a genuine claimant there's nothing to worry about.

I hope they do come down hard on those that are fraudulently claiming because it'll be us that's paying for it.

[Shrek]

Fantastic news👏

Nigel was right! Get that money ready to hand back lads and jackieW. None of this sorry I lost mrs smith from number 10 so I was adversely effected but I picked up 20 fascia jobs and still claimed 😂

[dazmond]

I certainly know of 2 window cleaners who claimed without being adversely affected......I personally told them I thought it was wrong to do so......

They could be in line for an investigation in a few months time....serves them right for being greedy if you ask me.....👎

[Stoots]

So those that carried on trading and were profitable may have to pay it back ?

wouldnt be surprised once all this settles down thats what they do, afterall its got to be paid back one way or another i would rather it be paid back this way that increased taxes for us all. Seem fair enough to me.

[p1w1]

Well, if your a genuine claimant there's nothing to worry about.

I hope they do come down hard on those that are fraudulently claiming because it'll be us that's paying for it.

absolutly...however, you will still be paying it even if they do claw some back.

[KS Cleaning]

I certainly know of 2 window cleaners who claimed without being adversely affected......I personally told them I thought it was wrong to do so......

They could be in line for an investigation in a few months time....serves them right for being greedy if you ask me.....👎

How can they possibly investigate in a few months time?  the accounts which include the grant won’t be submitted for another year or so.

[CleanClear]

I suspect it’s largescale fraud they’re after,

Going back many years ago when there was a big hoo ha about Vodafone/Starbucks etc.. not paying tax... The Gov responded with we will name and shame "non taxpayers" . And they did. Problem was though..although Voda/Star where not paying tax (and thats what prompted all the attention) , or really not much, they did actually pay what they where legally obliged too. HMRC did produce a weekly name and shame list too. As you can guess there where no large companies on it, it was stuff like... Jackies Hairdressing Salon............outstanding £2,500, Billy Macs builers...............outstanding £4,500............... etc....  This was actually a Media response to large Companies paying a very small percentage of tax, but it satisfied the masses.

 The article you have linked now, says this.......................



You can bet your bottom dollar they aint going after no big companies, who after all get their own special deals and get to sit down and discuss with HMRC what they're gonna pay. They'll go after every payment they've spent out, like i said before........... everyone will know soon exactly what "adversly affected" means. And its simple, it will be what they decide and if anyone thinks losing a few jobs is "adverse", well we'll see...........

The other one i see gonna be a massive "flag up" is the "Bounce back loans"................ Buisnesses getting a loan because its cheap ? Of course it will still have to be repaid, of course HMRC will expect the amount of the loan to be reflected in Business Investment if its not, and if the figures (repayment) don't match up with what the business was doing before............. just sit back and watch the carnage that will result.

[CleanClear]

Well, if your a genuine claimant there's nothing to worry about.

I hope they do come down hard on those that are fraudulently claiming because it'll be us that's paying for it.

Like we paid Millions to Fred Goodwin, sorry  Sir Fred Goodwin...............

[Richard iSparkle]

yeh well good luck with them trying to work out who's done what after all this.

HMRC will be busy enough just trying to keep on top of the changes to tax etc, and with all the calls they'll be getting.

i bet all sorts of nonsense have gone on

[SB Cleaning]

yeh well good luck with them trying to work out who's done what after all this.

HMRC will be busy enough just trying to keep on top of the changes to tax etc, and with all the calls they'll be getting.

i bet all sorts of nonsense have gone on

That's what i was thinking,
.

[CleanClear]

yeh well good luck with them trying to work out who's done what after all this.

HMRC will be busy enough just trying to keep on top of the changes to tax etc, and with all the calls they'll be getting.

i bet all sorts of nonsense have gone on

You think a physical person reads through tax returns, grants, loans ?
A programme does that, just like it tells you your least productive worker, the driver who has the worst mpg.. etc....................

[james peters]

I stopped working for 6 weeks . I know I didn't have to , but I chose too.
my decision not to work was not made on the basis of the gov help. It was based on the need to let the dust settle, and my partner working as a nurse on a covid ward .
I will say it wasn't a nice time in early april . I hated seeing her off to work, I was sleeping on the sofa to keep away from her.  on the second week of april , I felt not quite right, I had a scratchy throat , couldn't taste my food , and was really tired.
a few days later she came home from work looking awful and went to bed and stayed there for days . coughing and weezing.

so yes ! I was affected .
I wont be claiming the next one in august, since returning to work I have never been so busy.

[G Griffin]

I don't think much has changed. It was always the case that you could have to provide evidence that you have been adversely affected.
They just didn't tell us  .
I don't they'll accept that we'd be mugs not to claim it and we'll be paying it back anyway.

[CleanClear]

I stopped working for 6 weeks . I know I didn't have to , but I chose too.

Me too. I don't forsee any problem there. My bank accounts reflect this as does my Google location history, as does my texts and emails................. simple for me. I'm not worrying in the slightest. Gov message was stay home.................. i did.

[CleanClear]

I don't think much has changed. It was always the case that you could have to provide evidence that you have been adversely affected.
They just didn't tell us  .
I don't they'll accept that we'd be mugs not to claim it and we'll be paying it back anyway.

Yeah , they want you to claim it and still work to keep the economy going   

[G Griffin]

I don't think much has changed. It was always the case that you could have to provide evidence that you have been adversely affected.
They just didn't tell us  .
I don't they'll accept that we'd be mugs not to claim it and we'll be paying it back anyway.

Yeah , they want you to claim it and still work to keep the economy going   

The 'adversely affected' bit is going to be contentious. I also read that the government left it vague deliberately  .
I'm not worried though. 

[G Griffin]

So those that carried on trading and were profitable may have to pay it back ?

wouldnt be surprised once all this settles down thats what they do, afterall its got to be paid back one way or another i would rather it be paid back this way that increased taxes for us all. Seem fair enough to me.

No, it's nothing to do with being profitable. It's about being adversely affected.
Make of that what you will.

[NWH]

Forget the first one that was a safeguard against the possibility that you’ll lose income it was a don’t panic payment,you or they didn’t have any idea you’d lose keep or gain work over the last few months.

[james peters]

I stopped working for 6 weeks . I know I didn't have to , but I chose too.

Me too. I don't forsee any problem there. My bank accounts reflect this as does my Google location history, as does my texts and emails................. simple for me. I'm not worrying in the slightest. Gov message was stay home.................. i did.

my google location was on my couch watching Netflix and stuffing my face lol