[NWH]

Water in my tank never goes about 4 anyway usually and it goes through a resin bottle in the van,it last ages you’d think it would last a long long time at 000 it does last months but you’d think it would last longer.
I suppose it just being in a resin bottle will degrade it somewhat over time,another debate but if you use PPB you have to calculate usage after normal resin or you won’t know roughly when to change the PPB resin.

[Splash & dash]

It never ceases to amaze me how many on hear boast about what they earn per hour ,day, week etc but arnt prepared to pay  £80 for bag of resin , for goodness sake be professional and change the resin when it goes above 000 this thread had certainly shown the professional window cleaner from the cowboys , some of you should be ashamed to call yourselves professional cleaners

[swanson]

Absolutely agree with splash&Dash
Can’t believe some of the comments. you should always have 00 TDS
Why chance it.
I get through a bag of resin every 3 months.

[jk999]

Nothing to do with being tight wtf s wrong with you guys jesus theres always one that has to have a go

[Lee GLS]

It never ceases to amaze me how many on hear boast about what they earn per hour ,day, week etc but arnt prepared to pay  £80 for bag of resin , for goodness sake be professional and change the resin when it goes above 000 this thread had certainly shown the professional window cleaner from the cowboys , some of you should be ashamed to call yourselves professional cleaners

How is it unprofessional, is there a code of practice that says you have to use resin, or only use water up to a certain PPM.

The customer has no idea what the TDS of the water is, or wether we use resin, as long as the windows are clean and you the customer is happy how much more professional Can you get?

Surly if you want to be the ultimate professional you should have a brand new van every six months, and have an new ionics parts per billion system fitted so the water is even more!

It’s not about being tight it’s about not wasting money when something isn’t needed!

Do you shop around for the cheapest insurance, do you try and buy fuel from the cheapest garage, do you try and get the best deal on a new phone contract?  Why spend £80 on a bag or resin when you can save the £80 and still have the same end result!?

[Lee GLS]

Absolutely agree with splash&Dash
Can’t believe some of the comments. you should always have 00 TDS
Why chance it.
I get through a bag of resin every 3 months.

Why should we always have 000 water, where does it say you should only clean windows with 000 water, it’s just something that has been spouted about on forums for years and people get brainwashed into believing it, if you have never tried higher TDS then you cannot tell other people what they should do as you are advising people without having the necessary experience.

There is no right or wrong if you are happy with the way you do things, give advise, but do not belittle people because they do not conform to your way of thinking.

[Splash & dash]

It never ceases to amaze me how many on hear boast about what they earn per hour ,day, week etc but arnt prepared to pay  £80 for bag of resin , for goodness sake be professional and change the resin when it goes above 000 this thread had certainly shown the professional window cleaner from the cowboys , some of you should be ashamed to call yourselves professional cleaners

How is it unprofessional, is there a code of practice that says you have to use resin, or only use water up to a certain PPM.

The customer has no idea what the TDS of the water is, or wether we use resin, as long as the windows are clean and you the customer is happy how much more professional Can you get?

Surly if you want to be the ultimate professional you should have a brand new van every six months, and have an new ionics parts per billion system fitted so the water is even more!

It’s not about being tight it’s about not wasting money when something isn’t needed!

Do you shop around for the cheapest insurance, do you try and buy fuel from the cheapest garage, do you try and get the best deal on a new phone contract?  Why spend £80 on a bag or resin when you can save the £80 and still have the same end result!?

Ime not intrested in getting into some slagging match but you are deluding yourself if you think you are going to clean people’s windows and get good results with a TDS of 14-20 years ago I accidentally cleaned   some customers windows with a TDS of 005 not realising it until I had several complaints I then checked the TDS and realised why they had complained, you might get away with it with some customers but low sunlight and it will stand out like a soar  thumb . I do  shop around for prices on a number of things but rarely buy the cheapest as the old adage of buy cheap buy twise  is so true   . I offer my customers a top notch service that’s what they are paying for and that’s what they get , we don’t do cheap work never have never will we charge a premium price and the cost of a bag of resin is peanuts , Ime really surprised at the lax attitude towards the standards that a lot have on  hear and just remember this is a public forum so your customers can see what you are putting on hear , not exactly a good advert for some buisness is it ?. 

[Lee GLS]

It never ceases to amaze me how many on hear boast about what they earn per hour ,day, week etc but arnt prepared to pay  £80 for bag of resin , for goodness sake be professional and change the resin when it goes above 000 this thread had certainly shown the professional window cleaner from the cowboys , some of you should be ashamed to call yourselves professional cleaners

How is it unprofessional, is there a code of practice that says you have to use resin, or only use water up to a certain PPM.

The customer has no idea what the TDS of the water is, or wether we use resin, as long as the windows are clean and you the customer is happy how much more professional Can you get?

Surly if you want to be the ultimate professional you should have a brand new van every six months, and have an new ionics parts per billion system fitted so the water is even more!

It’s not about being tight it’s about not wasting money when something isn’t needed!

Do you shop around for the cheapest insurance, do you try and buy fuel from the cheapest garage, do you try and get the best deal on a new phone contract?  Why spend £80 on a bag or resin when you can save the £80 and still have the same end result!?

Ime not intrested in getting into some slagging match but you are deluding yourself if you think you are going to clean people’s windows and get good results with a TDS of 14-20 years ago I accidentally cleaned   some customers windows with a TDS of 005 not realising it until I had several complaints I then checked the TDS and realised why they had complained, you might get away with it with some customers but low sunlight and it will stand out like a soar  thumb . I do  shop around for prices on a number of things but rarely buy the cheapest as the old adage of buy cheap buy twise  is so true   . I offer my customers a top notch service that’s what they are paying for and that’s what they get , we don’t do cheap work never have never will we charge a premium price and the cost of a bag of resin is peanuts , Ime really surprised at the lax attitude towards the standards that a lot have on  hear and just remember this is a public forum so your customers can see what you are putting on hear , not exactly a good advert for some buisness is it ?.

Yes I’m sure my customers come on here to see what I post!

Well all I can say is haven’t used resin for 6/7 years, my ro kicks out at 008 at the moment and I will happily let it go to 025. I’ve been cleaning for 16 years and have a successful business, I also have not had anyone complain about spotting in that time, I have had complaints when I’ve missed bee poo or pollen deposits.

I do regular inside work and get to check my work and can honestly say at 025 you do not get spotting.

[Splash & dash]

Absolutely agree with splash&Dash
Can’t believe some of the comments. you should always have 00 TDS
Why chance it.
I get through a bag of resin every 3 months.

Why should we always have 000 water, where does it say you should only clean windows with 000 water, it’s just something that has been spouted about on forums for years and people get brainwashed into believing it, if you have never tried higher TDS then you cannot tell other people what they should do as you are advising people without having the necessary experience.

There is no right or wrong if you are happy with the way you do things, give advise, but do not belittle people because they do not conform to your way of thinking.

Sorry but you are wrong the industry standard is to use water with a TDS of 000 or as close to it as possible all the major wfp manufacturers  recommend this figure , it’s not something plucked out of the sky the closer to 000 the quicker it will clean and the better the results you will get , that’s a scientific fact , my car will run on cooking oil but will it perform and run nicely on it ?? No way , use a good quality diesel and the mpg and running is much better it’s exactly  the same with water TDS

[Splash & dash]

It never ceases to amaze me how many on hear boast about what they earn per hour ,day, week etc but arnt prepared to pay  £80 for bag of resin , for goodness sake be professional and change the resin when it goes above 000 this thread had certainly shown the professional window cleaner from the cowboys , some of you should be ashamed to call yourselves professional cleaners

How is it unprofessional, is there a code of practice that says you have to use resin, or only use water up to a certain PPM.

The customer has no idea what the TDS of the water is, or wether we use resin, as long as the windows are clean and you the customer is happy how much more professional Can you get?

Surly if you want to be the ultimate professional you should have a brand new van every six months, and have an new ionics parts per billion system fitted so the water is even more!

It’s not about being tight it’s about not wasting money when something isn’t needed!

Do you shop around for the cheapest insurance, do you try and buy fuel from the cheapest garage, do you try and get the best deal on a new phone contract?  Why spend £80 on a bag or resin when you can save the £80 and still have the same end result!?

Ime not intrested in getting into some slagging match but you are deluding yourself if you think you are going to clean people’s windows and get good results with a TDS of 14-20 years ago I accidentally cleaned   some customers windows with a TDS of 005 not realising it until I had several complaints I then checked the TDS and realised why they had complained, you might get away with it with some customers but low sunlight and it will stand out like a soar  thumb . I do  shop around for prices on a number of things but rarely buy the cheapest as the old adage of buy cheap buy twise  is so true   . I offer my customers a top notch service that’s what they are paying for and that’s what they get , we don’t do cheap work never have never will we charge a premium price and the cost of a bag of resin is peanuts , Ime really surprised at the lax attitude towards the standards that a lot have on  hear and just remember this is a public forum so your customers can see what you are putting on hear , not exactly a good advert for some buisness is it ?.

Yes I’m sure my customers come on here to see what I post!

Well all I can say is haven’t used resin for 6/7 years, my ro kicks out at 008 at the moment and I will happily let it go to 025. I’ve been cleaning for 16 years and have a successful business, I also have not had anyone complain about spotting in that time, I have had complaints when I’ve missed bee poo or pollen deposits.

I do regular inside work and get to check my work and can honestly say at 025 you do not get spotting.

I think we will have to agree to disagree , no way will a TDS of 25 not  leave spotting  , if that were the case why would water purification companies sell resin or recommend its use ? Any way I cannot be bothered to waste any more time on this subject

[jk999]

Doh are you thick or what do you realy think that these companies are gonna say its ok to go to 025 then have a big drop in sales because people will stop buying i dont think so wow some people surprise me realy do ,you must have done a realy crap job or you have fussy customers if they complained over 005 .i have been in this game 36 years and almost 25 of them reach and was i dont know how long you have been in game splash but dont tell people how to do their job

[Lee GLS]

Why would suppliers say we should use 000 oh I don’t know, maybe because they sell resin! If they said you can clean with 15,20,25, then they would loose out on sales of resin and RO filters. There is no regulation, there is no scientific proof it’s only down to trial an error.

As for increased MPG with high quality fuels, then you have been brainwashed by internet talk about it, along with supermarket fuel doesn’t have the additives. It’s all hearsay.

I have over 100k miles logged on a fuel app on all my vehicles, I’ve tried all sorts of fuel addictive, all makes and supposed qualities of fuel and it makes no difference, the only time you need high octane fuel is if your car has been designed or mapped to run on it. 

[Splash & dash]

Doh are you thick or what do you realy think that these companies are gonna say its ok to go to 025 then have a big drop in sales because people will stop buying i dont think so wow some people surprise me realy do ,you must have done a realy crap job or you have fussy customers if they complained over 005 .i have been in this game 36 years and almost 25 of them reach and was i dont know how long you have been in game splash but dont tell people how to do their job

I have been in this job well over 20  years and yes we do have very fussy customers , but that’s not a problem they are paying a premium for top quality work and that’s what we give them . There will always be different opinions as what’s acceptable amongst us and the customers , I don’t care what others do it doesn’t affect my buisness but you cannot successfully clean  windows with that sort of reading and get good results , if you are cleaning windows on some grotty council estate maybe you will get away with a bit but when working on 2-20 million pound properties no way will you , we pick up loads of work from other cleaners all the time due to the things mentioned in this thread , the information given out on hear is very misleading for ones starting out you should be using 000 TDS , if using higher levels is ok why do we need TDS meters , just fill your tank from the Tap and use that , what level is acceptable and at what point isn’t it acceptable?... I have had spotting at 005 and we never get call backs there is no way we could use 014-020 and get good results .

[jk999]

I have a very successful business some of my clients are millionaires but dont want to come across as bragging thats not what im doing ,but i have come to learn over the years that most of customers dont give a crap how their windows are cleaned or what tds its cleaned at 97 %off my customers are happy to get them cleaned they dont go round checking their windows ,with an higher tds reading means like someone said on here just give it a good rinse ,i also do inside of houses aswell and theres never a problem

[jk999]

Doesn't make us none professional s or cowboys because some of us use a bit higher tds ,you dont know everyone s position on here so its not fair to say that

[Splash & dash]

I have a very successful business some of my clients are millionaires but dont want to come across as bragging thats not what im doing ,but i have come to learn over the years that most of customers dont give a crap how their windows are cleaned or what tds its cleaned at 97 %off my customers are happy to get them cleaned they dont go round checking their windows ,with an higher tds reading means like someone said on here just give it a good rinse ,i also do inside of houses aswell and theres never a problem

Ime not saying the customer cheats the water with a TDS meter ime saying we should , provided the level is 000 there shouldn’t ever be any issues with spotting the only time I have had complaints was when I had a reading of 005 and hadn’t checked the TDS  for a few days that was my fault , so now I check every van every couple of days but know that usually I can get around 12 months out of the resin before it will need changing but as that time approaches I keep a close eye on it and as soon as it goes 001 or more it’s changed , that way I know we won’t have any problems, again this is depending on technique with the cleaning as well ,

[swanson]

Bottom line
000 TDS that’s the only way you should be cleaning windows.

[Dry Clean]

Bottom line
000 TDS that’s the only way you should be cleaning windows.

Bottom line, you don't know what you're taking about, the window cleaning magazine did an nationwide experiment a few years back, in some parts of the country it could actually go to 80ppm before causing a problem, 40ppm was the most common, the high calcium areas where the worst but even they could get away with 10ppm, there's nothing wrong in keeping your water a 000ppm but its certainly not a must do.

[Stoots]

What I would do  if I had a van tank full of 14 is take my my d. I in the van (with fresh resin) and purify it on demand.

Either that or dump it, I wouldn't use 14 I wouldnt even use 4.

Anything over 2 and I would be changing it.

[Stoots]

Bottom line
000 TDS that’s the only way you should be cleaning windows.

Bottom line, you don't know what you're taking about, the window cleaning magazine did an nationwide experiment a few years back, in some parts of the country it could actually go to 80ppm before causing a problem, 40ppm was the most common, the high calcium areas where the worst but even they could get away with 10ppm, there's nothing wrong in keeping your water a 000ppm but its certainly not a must do.

It depends on what's in your water and also the weather. Hot and direct sunlight has a big effect.

But I think its bad advice and bad practice to use anything other than 0. What's the point of risking it, just use the lowest you can then you can relax knowing there's nothing more you can do.  If you use 0 it kills the debate can I use 2, can I use 10 etc. Maybe or maybe not just use zero and problem solved.