[Missing Link]

Are you saying that they know enough about coronavirus immunity to use herd immunity?

Yes, they know about herd immunity, they know you have some level of immunity if you recover from the Chinese Plague.  What they don't know is the fine detail. 

I don't have an alternative exit strategy. Why would I have?

Because you seem to think the only viable solution won't work.  In the absence of the impossible, that only leaves the possible.

As for the cure being worse than the illness, it depends on how you measure that.

In poverty by the loss of GDP, shortened life expectancy and deaths.  How else would you measure it?  A tape measure?   

And even Trump has had a rethink, so I don't think that it his truth anymore.

He just said the cure can't be worse than the illness yesterday.  Follow him on Twitter and listen to the daily briefings.

[Richard Groves]

People can argue this until the cows come home but the window cleaning of domestic houses is non essential.

My neighbour wanted some bread and milk to go with his morning paper the other day.  He's in his 70s and he has this for three months.

I didn't say, is that newspaper really essential?  Bread?  Milk?  Haven't you any of that pasta left I bought you?  What about those four tins of beans I got you on Tuesday?  Have you really eaten all that?  Is this really essential shopping?

Why not have some pasta and beans?

Instead, I just went to the shop and bought him what he wanted.

What the government really want is to stop the bell-thronks who were out in their droves this weekend, in parks and at the beach, not doing social distancing and sunbathing.

I agree but a shop is an essential service even if what you are going in there for isn't essential. I'm not sure what any of that has to do with masks though. If a stricter enforced lockdown were to happen and the wearing of masks  became mandatory I don't think window cleaning would be seen as essential or even permitted. 

[Missing Link]

If a stricter enforced lockdown were to happen and the wearing of masks  became mandatory I don't think window cleaning would be seen as essential or even permitted.

Other countries have implemented compulsory masks only at certain places.  Such as when going into a supermarket you must wear one.

Not for being outside where the risk of anything airborne is greatly reduced.

[G Griffin]

Are you saying that they know enough about coronavirus immunity to use herd immunity?

Yes, they know about herd immunity, they know you have some level of immunity if you recover from the Chinese Plague.  What they don't know is the fine detail. 

I don't have an alternative exit strategy. Why would I have?

Because you seem to think the only viable solution won't work.  In the absence of the impossible, that only leaves the possible.

As for the cure being worse than the illness, it depends on how you measure that.

In poverty by the loss of GDP, shortened life expectancy and deaths.  How else would you measure it?  A tape measure?   

And even Trump has had a rethink, so I don't think that it his truth anymore.

He just said the cure can't be worse than the illness yesterday.  Follow him on Twitter and listen to the daily briefings.

Some level of immunity?
Do you think that that is enough to use herd immunity?

I never said that the only viable solution won't work. I said that I don't believe that the government are using herd immunity.

Can we predict the loss of GDP, shortened life expectancy and deaths by not using herd immunity? And Trump keeps changing his mind anyway. He actually said that the cure cannot be worse than the problem itself.

[Missing Link]

Some level of immunity?
Do you think that that is enough to use herd immunity?

Yes, Prof Chris Whitty said so on one of his first ever briefings.  Before the Guardian got angry at him.

He said even if it's only a short-lived immunity, that would be enough to create herd immunity and defeat the corona.

I never said that the only viable solution won't work. I said that I don't believe that the government are using herd immunity.

Why don't you believe it?  They said they would.  The Guardian got angry.  They Gov then went quiet about it.  Still doing it though, like lots of other countries; govs just not got the balls to be open about it.

Can we predict the loss of GDP, shortened life expectancy and deaths by not using herd immunity? And Trump keeps changing his mind anyway. He actually said that the cure cannot be worse than the problem itself.

Yes, in that I think it's fair to say that GDP will plummet if the world doesn't get back working.  And we know what happens when GDP drops (poverty, shorter life expectancy, and lots of preventable deaths but over a much longer term).

[Missing Link]

Oh, and standby for the UK's Covid-19 exit strategy to become a political football.  Sir Starmer is already talking about it.

[G Griffin]

Some level of immunity?
Do you think that that is enough to use herd immunity?

Yes, Prof Chris Whitty said so on one of his first ever briefings.  Before the Guardian got angry at him.

He said even if it's only a short-lived immunity, that would be enough to create herd immunity and defeat the corona.

I never said that the only viable solution won't work. I said that I don't believe that the government are using herd immunity.

Why don't you believe it?  They said they would.  The Guardian got angry.  They Gov then went quiet about it.  Still doing it though, like lots of other countries; govs just not got the balls to be open about it.

Can we predict the loss of GDP, shortened life expectancy and deaths by not using herd immunity? And Trump keeps changing his mind anyway. He actually said that the cure cannot be worse than the problem itself.

Yes, in that I think it's fair to say that GDP will plummet if the world doesn't get back working.  And we know what happens when GDP drops (poverty, shorter life expectancy, and lots of preventable deaths but over a much longer term).

I disagree with you.
It doesn't matter what you say because I don't think it is happening. When it happens, it might matter to me.

[Missing Link]

I disagree with you.
It doesn't matter what you say because I don't think it is happening. When it happens, it might matter to me.

It's cool with me if you disagree.

It's just disappointing you can't say why.

[G Griffin]

I disagree with you.
It doesn't matter what you say because I don't think it is happening. When it happens, it might matter to me.

It's cool with me if you disagree.

It's just disappointing you can't say why.

Don't let me control your emotions.
But I've told you: I don't think that herd immunity is happening and you think that it is.

[AuRavelling79]

Oh, and standby for the UK's Covid-19 exit strategy to become a political football.  Sir Starmer is already talking about it.

Sir Keir. 

[jk999]

AND SIMON SAYS DO YOU KNOW ANYWHERE THAT SELLS F###*** MASKS FFS

[Missing Link]

But I've told you: I don't think that herd immunity is happening and you think that it is.

Yes, Griff, but I've explained why I think it is the UK's exit strategy, in some detail.  Basically because there isn't another one.

But all you say is "No, I don't like it, it's not happening".

Without explaining why.

[CleanClear]

Yes, in that I think it's fair to say that GDP will plummet if the world doesn't get back working.

Right now i'd doubt the majority are concerned about GDP. I find it amazing the amount of workers we actually need to keep us fed, warm, watered etc.. the basics. Walk in some beauty spot or a weekend away now seems like an absolute luxury.

[Missing Link]

Right now i'd doubt the majority are concerned about GDP.

I agree, but that doesn't change the fact that a drop in GDP will affect the long term health of the nation.

That to one side, here's a decent BBC newsnight article about the UK's exit strategy and compares our approach with Sweden's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypdVMIZrMVU

[Missing Link]

Walk in some beauty spot or a weekend away now seems like an absolute luxury.

**Swings Lantern and pulls up sandbag**  I once spent six months living in a tent in the desert.  No electric lights, no hot and cold running water, we shit in holes in the ground with no bushes to hide behind.  I did my No 2s in the dark otherwise while squatting, helicopters would fly low and buzz you, or your mates would throw stones at you.  Dark was much safer.

 We had to wash our own clothes in metal basins.  My sleeping bag wasn't washed or replaced once in six months.  The food the cooks made us was the only slop we ate, with the exception of the odd 'red cross parcel' sent from home.  Flippin' tortured by flies during the day and especially at meal times.

For sex I'd wait till Andy Palmer went on stag and I'd borrow a clean spare army sock from his bergen and have sex with that; carefully putting it back into his rucksack after I'd finished abusing it (he wasn't happy with me when I told him back in Germany).

But I remember getting back to my barracks in Germany; a real bed, electric lights, TVs, microwaves, flushing bogs, hot showers, washing machines, beer and women.  It really was like heaven.

You don't know what you've got until you lose it.

[CleanClear]

Walk in some beauty spot or a weekend away now seems like an absolute luxury.

**Swings Lantern and pulls up sandbag**  I once spent six months living in a tent in the desert.  No electric lights, no hot and cold running water, we shit in holes in the ground with no bushes to hide behind.  I did my No 2s in the dark otherwise while squatting, helicopters would fly low and buzz you, or your mates would throw stones at you.  Dark was much safer.

 We had to wash our own clothes in metal basins.  My sleeping bag wasn't washed or replaced once in six months.  The food the cooks made us was the only slop we ate, with the exception of the odd 'red cross parcel' sent from home.  Flippin' tortured by flies during the day and especially at meal times.

For sex I'd wait till Andy Palmer went on stag and I'd borrow a clean spare army sock from his bergen and have sex with that; carefully putting it back into his rucksack after I'd finished abusing it (he wasn't happy with me when I told him back in Germany).

Thats pretty much how i live now, thats why i usually enjoy my weekends.

[Shrek]

BREAKING: British Prime Minister BorisJohnson admitted to hospital tonight for tests due to persistent #coronavirus symptoms 10 days after testing positive.
Worrying development - he's looked worse each time we've seen him, poor guy. Wish him well.

[windowswashed]

I reckon the government will slowly introduce herd community whilst keeping crowds to the bare minimum.
Economic disaster will last much longer than covid19. Government waiting 'til scientists in general advise them the worst is over for the first wave and will monitor the situation with hospitals according to how A&E's are managing the pandemic.

Wish Boris a speedy recovery.

[NWH]

I wear 1 when I go shopping with surgical gloves the ones with the built in filter.

[mjm]

Walk in some beauty spot or a weekend away now seems like an absolute luxury.

**Swings Lantern and pulls up sandbag**  I once spent six months living in a tent in the desert.  No electric lights, no hot and cold running water, we shit in holes in the ground with no bushes to hide behind.  I did my No 2s in the dark otherwise while squatting, helicopters would fly low and buzz you, or your mates would throw stones at you.  Dark was much safer.

 We had to wash our own clothes in metal basins.  My sleeping bag wasn't washed or replaced once in six months.  The food the cooks made us was the only slop we ate, with the exception of the odd 'red cross parcel' sent from home.  Flippin' tortured by flies during the day and especially at meal times.

For sex I'd wait till Andy Palmer went on stag and I'd borrow a clean spare army sock from his bergen and have sex with that; carefully putting it back into his rucksack after I'd finished abusing it (he wasn't happy with me when I told him back in Germany).

But I remember getting back to my barracks in Germany; a real bed, electric lights, TVs, microwaves, flushing bogs, hot showers, washing machines, beer and women.  It really was like heaven.

You don't know what you've got until you lose it.

Lol