[G Griffin]

Question for Griff.

With the exception of the organisations covered above in the section on closing certain businesses and venues, the government has not required any other businesses to close - indeed it is important for business to carry on.

The bit in red.

The businesses which the government has closed are bars, restaurants, "non-essential shops" etc. - yes?
How do they "remain open" by your definition?

The bit in purple.

The "other businesses" are not required to close.
How do they "remain open" by your definition?

What is the difference in operation between businesses required to close by the government and businesses not required to close?

My business is open but I'm not working. Have I closed, temporarily? Maybe. But I haven't closed my business and neither has my old local. It's not open but it's not closed.
But the open/closed thing is to keep people 'in work' even though they might not be working.
We know why window cleaners and gardeners are allowed to work but pubs are 'closed'. It's to do with the numbers, surely?

LOL.

Don't try and work it out, Dry.
You just worry about the grant, lad.

The grant's got him, I think it's the plain English part..... the same struggle as Tosh!!😬🤐

He won't get it because he hasn't lost any profits from March 'til June.
And we're at the beginning of April

[Bungle]

The way I see it atm is the 5% who will lose out are the directors and people who earn over £50k. On one hand I think the government will look after us and on the other I think they won’t. They have thrown money all over the shop though so I’m inclined to think they’re going to bail us all out and have us pay it back through taxes when we’re on the other side. I do have a niggling suspicion that they will weasel out of it for us. They’re Tories, Tories don’t splash the cash normally. Yes I know it’s not normal circumstances.

I think the government really need to clarify who can travel to work. We are in a unique position where our work involves travel to work and having to work in different places. I’m trying to think of how many trades are similar to us...gardeners, mobile car valeters any more? I just googled mobile car valeting forums to see if they were working/staying home but I didn’t find anything.

Why do so many find the simplest of things so hard to understand,  the virus spreads from person to person by contact which is why we are using social distancing to slow it down.
Therefore if you are able to practice social distancing while working you can work, it couldn't be any clearer.

Where in my post did I say it didn’t spread?

Where in my post did I say you said it didn't spread ?

So what are you saying I don’t understand exactly?

You said the government need to clarify as to who can and cant work and I'm saying it couldn't be any clearer.

I said that asking the government to say who can travel to work so we can have peace of mind. I understand that you’ve interpreted that you can travel to work. All I’m asking for is concise clarification from the government, not a junked up journalist.

[JackieW]

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do

 I’m not a critical worker and I can’t work from home. What should I do?
If you cannot work from home then you can still travel to work. This is consistent with the Chief Medical Officer’s advice.

Critical workers are those who can still take their children to school or childcare. This critical worker definition does not affect whether or not you can travel to work – if you are not a critical worker, you may still travel to work provided you cannot work from home.

Anyone who has symptoms or is in a household where someone has symptoms should not go to work and should self-isolate.

6. How can I find out if my work is essential or not?
The government is not saying only people doing “essential” work can go to work. Anyone who cannot work from home can still go to work.

[Ooooooog]

He didn't say you couldn't. Is it that frightening a prospect for you?
Busby asked a question; either answer it or chill.
I think it's a fair question.

Fair questions have to be honest; it was based on a false premise.  The self employed are not going to be given 80% to 'stay home and chill'.

That implies that the government want us to stop working.

They don't.

Don't be daft.
The grant is available to most self employed people and they can't tell us what to do with it. They don't tell us when to work during normal times, so they can't tell us to work during a pandemic. Especially during a lockdown with the slogan 'Stay Home'.
The key point is that they don't want us to shut our businesses and cause them more problems. That is not the same as not wanting us to stop working.
It's no wonder many think that it's a free holiday .

Well this is what they are doing with the Employed.   You only get UP to 80% if you pay your workers the other 20% of their wages.  So if I have a worker who earns a £1000 per month the government are APPARENTLY going to give me £800 for them through the PAYE system and then I make the wages up to the £1000.  If I only pay them 80% i.e. £800 then the government will only reimburse me £640.  On top of that my workers MUST NOT WORK FOR ME.  So if you all have the self employed bit right and you can have the 80% and go to work, employers are far worse off.

So you only get 80% of the 80% if you don't make it up to 100%?

Correct

Where did you get this info from?

Government website disagrees with you.

[G Griffin]

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do

 I’m not a critical worker and I can’t work from home. What should I do?
If you cannot work from home then you can still travel to work. This is consistent with the Chief Medical Officer’s advice.

Critical workers are those who can still take their children to school or childcare. This critical worker definition does not affect whether or not you can travel to work – if you are not a critical worker, you may still travel to work provided you cannot work from home.

Anyone who has symptoms or is in a household where someone has symptoms should not go to work and should self-isolate.

6. How can I find out if my work is essential or not?
The government is not saying only people doing “essential” work can go to work. Anyone who cannot work from home can still go to work.

If it's open .
And ours is.

[G Griffin]

He didn't say you couldn't. Is it that frightening a prospect for you?
Busby asked a question; either answer it or chill.
I think it's a fair question.

Fair questions have to be honest; it was based on a false premise.  The self employed are not going to be given 80% to 'stay home and chill'.

That implies that the government want us to stop working.

They don't.

Don't be daft.
The grant is available to most self employed people and they can't tell us what to do with it. They don't tell us when to work during normal times, so they can't tell us to work during a pandemic. Especially during a lockdown with the slogan 'Stay Home'.
The key point is that they don't want us to shut our businesses and cause them more problems. That is not the same as not wanting us to stop working.
It's no wonder many think that it's a free holiday .

Well this is what they are doing with the Employed.   You only get UP to 80% if you pay your workers the other 20% of their wages.  So if I have a worker who earns a £1000 per month the government are APPARENTLY going to give me £800 for them through the PAYE system and then I make the wages up to the £1000.  If I only pay them 80% i.e. £800 then the government will only reimburse me £640.  On top of that my workers MUST NOT WORK FOR ME.  So if you all have the self employed bit right and you can have the 80% and go to work, employers are far worse off.

So you only get 80% of the 80% if you don't make it up to 100%?

Correct

Where did you get this info from?

Government website disagrees with you.

And so does that capitalist Soupy. Soupy is quite switched on.

[Slacky]

I put surgical gloves on when I leave the house and change them at each job so about 4 times a day 😂😂,I’m not looking forward to tomorrow it’s shopping day the riskiest day of the weekend.
Mind you we’ve had proper masks delivered today the ones with the filters in so we will be a bit more relaxed when we go shopping.

You're wearing masks in public?

[Dave Willis]

Gimp masks going by the other posts.

[Dry Clean]

Question for Griff.

With the exception of the organisations covered above in the section on closing certain businesses and venues, the government has not required any other businesses to close - indeed it is important for business to carry on.

The bit in red.

The businesses which the government has closed are bars, restaurants, "non-essential shops" etc. - yes?
How do they "remain open" by your definition?

The bit in purple.

The "other businesses" are not required to close.
How do they "remain open" by your definition?

What is the difference in operation between businesses required to close by the government and businesses not required to close?

My business is open but I'm not working. Have I closed, temporarily? Maybe. But I haven't closed my business and neither has my old local. It's not open but it's not closed.
But the open/closed thing is to keep people 'in work' even though they might not be working.
We know why window cleaners and gardeners are allowed to work but pubs are 'closed'. It's to do with the numbers, surely?

LOL.

Don't try and work it out, Dry.
You just worry about the grant, lad.

The grant's got him, I think it's the plain English part..... the same struggle as Tosh!!😬🤐

If I was interested in grants/handouts I would have spent my life on the dole, Ill pay my own way if you don't mind.

[Dry Clean]

Name me one person on this forum who has said that it can only be spread by person to person contact ?

I can't. Because we all know it spreads in ways that we don't fully understand. We can agree on that bit , yes ?

You don't need to understand it clear, just keep away from other people, try not to touch their stuff or pee on their doorsteps.

[Dry Clean]

The way I see it atm is the 5% who will lose out are the directors and people who earn over £50k. On one hand I think the government will look after us and on the other I think they won’t. They have thrown money all over the shop though so I’m inclined to think they’re going to bail us all out and have us pay it back through taxes when we’re on the other side. I do have a niggling suspicion that they will weasel out of it for us. They’re Tories, Tories don’t splash the cash normally. Yes I know it’s not normal circumstances.

I think the government really need to clarify who can travel to work. We are in a unique position where our work involves travel to work and having to work in different places. I’m trying to think of how many trades are similar to us...gardeners, mobile car valeters any more? I just googled mobile car valeting forums to see if they were working/staying home but I didn’t find anything.

Why do so many find the simplest of things so hard to understand,  the virus spreads from person to person by contact which is why we are using social distancing to slow it down.
Therefore if you are able to practice social distancing while working you can work, it couldn't be any clearer.

Where in my post did I say it didn’t spread?

Where in my post did I say you said it didn't spread ?

So what are you saying I don’t understand exactly?

You said the government need to clarify as to who can and cant work and I'm saying it couldn't be any clearer.

I said that asking the government to say who can travel to work so we can have peace of mind. I understand that you’ve interpreted that you can travel to work. All I’m asking for is concise clarification from the government, not a junked up journalist.

The government has told you that as long as you keep within certain guidelines you can work, it couldn't be clearer.

[Dry Clean]

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do

 I’m not a critical worker and I can’t work from home. What should I do?
If you cannot work from home then you can still travel to work. This is consistent with the Chief Medical Officer’s advice.

Critical workers are those who can still take their children to school or childcare. This critical worker definition does not affect whether or not you can travel to work – if you are not a critical worker, you may still travel to work provided you cannot work from home.

Anyone who has symptoms or is in a household where someone has symptoms should not go to work and should self-isolate.

6. How can I find out if my work is essential or not?
The government is not saying only people doing “essential” work can go to work. Anyone who cannot work from home can still go to work.

There's a list of key workers, you can  google it, shiners aren't on it, and yes if you have symptoms or a family member who lives with you has symptoms you have to self isolate for 7 days, before the lockdown it was 14 days if you had been in contact with someone who had tested positive for the virus.

[Dry Clean]

Question for Griff.

With the exception of the organisations covered above in the section on closing certain businesses and venues, the government has not required any other businesses to close - indeed it is important for business to carry on.

The bit in red.

The businesses which the government has closed are bars, restaurants, "non-essential shops" etc. - yes?
How do they "remain open" by your definition?

The bit in purple.

The "other businesses" are not required to close.
How do they "remain open" by your definition?

What is the difference in operation between businesses required to close by the government and businesses not required to close?

My business is open but I'm not working. Have I closed, temporarily? Maybe. But I haven't closed my business and neither has my old local. It's not open but it's not closed.
But the open/closed thing is to keep people 'in work' even though they might not be working.
We know why window cleaners and gardeners are allowed to work but pubs are 'closed'. It's to do with the numbers, surely?

LOL.

Don't try and work it out, Dry.
You just worry about the grant, lad.

Work it out ? without doubt its the stupidest thing that anybody has ever written on here, I only put the lol reply to stop you deleting it, happy reading when you sober up.

[Missing Link]

It's gone 2300 hrs (that's well past cider o' clock) and things are looking pretty calm here.

What's going on?

[Missing Link]

I put surgical gloves on when I leave the house and change them at each job so about 4 times a day 😂😂,I’m not looking forward to tomorrow it’s shopping day the riskiest day of the weekend.
Mind you we’ve had proper masks delivered today the ones with the filters in so we will be a bit more relaxed when we go shopping.

You're wearing masks in public?

Peavey Wolfy goes the whole hog, masks, gloves, the full shebang...

[jk999]

Thats it i have decided to stay at home 😭😭😭😭

[jk999]

Till monday 😁😁😁😁😁

[֍Winp®oClean֍]

I put surgical gloves on when I leave the house and change them at each job so about 4 times a day 😂😂,I’m not looking forward to tomorrow it’s shopping day the riskiest day of the weekend.
Mind you we’ve had proper masks delivered today the ones with the filters in so we will be a bit more relaxed when we go shopping.

You're wearing masks in public?

Peavey Wolfy goes the whole hog, masks, gloves, the full shebang...

🤣🤣🤣🤣👍

[G Griffin]

Name me one person on this forum who has said that it can only be spread by person to person contact ?

I can't. Because we all know it spreads in ways that we don't fully understand. We can agree on that bit , yes ?

You don't need to understand it clear, just keep away from other people, try not to touch their stuff or pee on their doorsteps.

Are those the Irish guidelines?
We do overcomplicate our understandings over here.

[G Griffin]

Question for Griff.

With the exception of the organisations covered above in the section on closing certain businesses and venues, the government has not required any other businesses to close - indeed it is important for business to carry on.

The bit in red.

The businesses which the government has closed are bars, restaurants, "non-essential shops" etc. - yes?
How do they "remain open" by your definition?

The bit in purple.

The "other businesses" are not required to close.
How do they "remain open" by your definition?

What is the difference in operation between businesses required to close by the government and businesses not required to close?

My business is open but I'm not working. Have I closed, temporarily? Maybe. But I haven't closed my business and neither has my old local. It's not open but it's not closed.
But the open/closed thing is to keep people 'in work' even though they might not be working.
We know why window cleaners and gardeners are allowed to work but pubs are 'closed'. It's to do with the numbers, surely?

LOL.

Don't try and work it out, Dry.
You just worry about the grant, lad.

The grant's got him, I think it's the plain English part..... the same struggle as Tosh!!😬🤐

If I was interested in grants/handouts I would have spent my life on the dole, Ill pay my own way if you don't mind.

Pride comes before a Falls, Dryo.
You'll never know when you might need a helping hand, young fellow m'Jim.
I'm always here for you.....but make sure it's after closing time.