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Missing Link

  • Posts: 44790
Re: Spreading the virus
« Reply #40 on: April 01, 2020, 07:10:27 pm »
I didn't say anyone, let alone a scientist, was wrong.

I'll infer from that, that you believe in the science-led policy, including the exceptions, then.

Spot on.

I'll stay at home completely except for those exceptions.
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G Griffin

  • Posts: 40745
Re: Spreading the virus
« Reply #41 on: April 01, 2020, 07:36:34 pm »
I didn't say anyone, let alone a scientist, was wrong.

I'll infer from that, that you believe in the science-led policy, including the exceptions, then.

Spot on.

I'll stay at home completely except for those exceptions.
Course I do.
But I see 'only go to work' as different to 'go to work'.
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Jonny 87

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Re: Spreading the virus
« Reply #42 on: April 01, 2020, 07:53:55 pm »
I am absolutely shocked by the amount of people on here still going to work.
I know it is personal choice but surely the chance of infecting one person is totally unnecessary.
Forget the safe 2 metre guidelines what about the vast amount of surfaces you will touch within a days work.
We all move furniture, plants ,open gates, touch doors etc during a days work meaning the potential is there to spread the virus to multiple gardens during a days work.
People are spending more and more time in there gardens during this self isolation period so with all the will in the world it is impossible to gaurantee the virus will not be passed on.
Ultimately who wants this on there conscience.
If the government decide to stich us up on the 80% allowance then that is there bad and would be a massive betrayal to the millions of people doing the right thing and STAYING AT HOME and therefore having 0% of passing or contracting the virus.
Do people not realise the more people that Stay at home the quicker this virus will be eradicated and everyone not just the selfish few can get back to rebuilding the country.
God I’m bored beyond belief but any risk is a risk not worth taking it is after all just window cleaning.
That’s where the supermarket argument has absolutely no point in this argument as without food we die whereas I’ve never seen anybody die of dirty windows
Please please please stay safe guys I know we all have bills to pay but if we save just one life you can not put a price on that.

Calm down your getting  hysterical.

 ;D

As all my other previous posts.... I will continue to follow government advice and guidelines from the experts.

I’m working (safely) until advised not to.
Vision Technician / Visual Engineer /  Vision Enhancement Operative /...........................................................OnlyUseMeWFP AkA Jonny the Windy Wesher

Missing Link

  • Posts: 44790
Re: Spreading the virus
« Reply #43 on: April 01, 2020, 07:56:51 pm »
But I see 'only go to work' as different to 'go to work'.

The guidelines don't say that, Griff.

They say:

"travelling for work purposes, but only where you cannot work from home."

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others
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G Griffin

  • Posts: 40745
Re: Spreading the virus
« Reply #44 on: April 01, 2020, 08:29:16 pm »
But I see 'only go to work' as different to 'go to work'.

The guidelines don't say that, Griff.

They say:

"travelling for work purposes, but only where you cannot work from home."

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others
There is no you should go to work. There might be a you can go to work.
Anyway, I can only look at if from my perspective and I only pipe up when someone says something daft.
More recently, peoples' reasons for working have prompted me to reply and not that people are working.
It's the people that are working not that people are working, that's the problem.
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paulswindows

  • Posts: 30
Re: Spreading the virus
« Reply #45 on: April 01, 2020, 08:31:21 pm »
Personally I think to a certain extent we should should trust our own individual instincts on this and not allow governments or scientists to decide for us. They are letting some workers including window cleaners continue because to the best of their knowledge right now they think it is relatively low risk and because they don’t want to completely destroy the economy. But governments and scientists are far from 100 per cent sure about anything at present with this virus. They are learning as they go along. Decisions are being made and minds and opinions changed as they go along and learn more. That’s why I’m erring on the side of caution and not continuing even though I know I can.

Tomo

  • Posts: 97
Re: Spreading the virus
« Reply #46 on: April 01, 2020, 08:33:18 pm »
Section 4:Going to work.

I thought this was interesting......

"Work carried out in people’s homes, for example by tradespeople carrying out repairs and maintenance, can continue, provided that the tradesperson is well and has no symptoms. Again, it will be important to ensure that Public Health England guidelines, including maintaining a 2 metre distance from any household occupants, are followed to ensure everyone’s safety."

Thats folks working in the home. Would of thought that those working outside pose even less risk whilst following government guidelines.

CleanClear

  • Posts: 14717
Re: Spreading the virus
« Reply #47 on: April 01, 2020, 08:36:57 pm »
Section 4:Going to work.

I thought this was interesting......

"Work carried out in people’s homes, for example by tradespeople carrying out repairs and maintenance, can continue, provided that the tradesperson is well and has no symptoms. Again, it will be important to ensure that Public Health England guidelines, including maintaining a 2 metre distance from any household occupants, are followed to ensure everyone’s safety."

Thats folks working in the home. Would of thought that those working outside pose even less risk whilst following government guidelines.

Depends upon if your boiler is broke ?
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  • Posts: 1688
Re: Spreading the virus
« Reply #48 on: April 01, 2020, 08:39:15 pm »
Personally I think to a certain extent we should should trust our own individual instincts on this and not allow governments or scientists to decide for us. They are letting some workers including window cleaners continue because to the best of their knowledge right now they think it is relatively low risk and because they don’t want to completely destroy the economy. But governments and scientists are far from 100 per cent sure about anything at present with this virus. They are learning as they go along. Decisions are being made and minds and opinions changed as they go along and learn more. That’s why I’m erring on the side of caution and not continuing even though I know I can.

Same here. The risk is finding out too late👍. Collateral damage springs to mind!
Comfortably Numb!

Tomo

  • Posts: 97
Re: Spreading the virus
« Reply #49 on: April 01, 2020, 08:42:52 pm »
Section 4:Going to work.

I thought this was interesting......

"Work carried out in people’s homes, for example by tradespeople carrying out repairs and maintenance, can continue, provided that the tradesperson is well and has no symptoms. Again, it will be important to ensure that Public Health England guidelines, including maintaining a 2 metre distance from any household occupants, are followed to ensure everyone’s safety."

Thats folks working in the home. Would of thought that those working outside pose even less risk whilst following government guidelines.

Depends upon if your boiler is broke ?


Repairs and maintenance

We have maintenance cleans 😉👍

AuRavelling79

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Re: Spreading the virus
« Reply #50 on: April 01, 2020, 08:52:33 pm »
But I see 'only go to work' as different to 'go to work'.

The guidelines don't say that, Griff.

They say:

"travelling for work purposes, but only where you cannot work from home."

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others
There is no you should go to work. There might be a you can go to work.
Anyway, I can only look at if from my perspective and I only pipe up when someone says something daft.
More recently, peoples' reasons for working have prompted me to reply and not that people are working.
It's the people that are working not that people are working, that's the problem.

From section 4 of the government guidelines ...


As set out in the section on staying at home, you can travel for work purposes, but only where you cannot work from home.

With the exception of the organisations covered above in the section on closing certain businesses and venues, the government has not required any other businesses to close – indeed it is important for business to carry on.

Do you think that that bit in red is actually a government guideline that it is important to work if your business has not been closed by them?
It's a game of three halves!

Missing Link

  • Posts: 44790
Re: Spreading the virus
« Reply #51 on: April 01, 2020, 09:08:25 pm »
Anyway, I can only look at if from my perspective

Of course; selfish - self centred people only look at it from their own perspective.

As I say.

Go to work.  That's fine.

Or

Stay at home.  That's fine too.

Just follow the science-led guidelines and we'll all be safe.
Pronouns She/Her/Madam/Ma'am

G Griffin

  • Posts: 40745
Re: Spreading the virus
« Reply #52 on: April 01, 2020, 09:27:01 pm »
Anyway, I can only look at if from my perspective

Of course; selfish - self centred people only look at it from their own perspective.

As I say.

Go to work.  That's fine.

Or

Stay at home.  That's fine too.

Just follow the science-led guidelines and we'll all be safe.
I can only follow the guidelines from my perspective. That's why I'm not going to work.
Or I could be really selfish and work and leave the house even though the person that I live with has had some symptoms of coronavirus.
Well done.
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Slacky

  • Posts: 8278
Re: Spreading the virus
« Reply #53 on: April 01, 2020, 09:51:11 pm »
I am absolutely shocked by the amount of people on here still going to work.
I know it is personal choice but surely the chance of infecting one person is totally unnecessary.
Forget the safe 2 metre guidelines what about the vast amount of surfaces you will touch within a days work.
We all move furniture, plants ,open gates, touch doors etc during a days work meaning the potential is there to spread the virus to multiple gardens during a days work.
People are spending more and more time in there gardens during this self isolation period so with all the will in the world it is impossible to gaurantee the virus will not be passed on.
Ultimately who wants this on there conscience.
If the government decide to stich us up on the 80% allowance then that is there bad and would be a massive betrayal to the millions of people doing the right thing and STAYING AT HOME and therefore having 0% of passing or contracting the virus.
Do people not realise the more people that Stay at home the quicker this virus will be eradicated and everyone not just the selfish few can get back to rebuilding the country.
God I’m bored beyond belief but any risk is a risk not worth taking it is after all just window cleaning.
That’s where the supermarket argument has absolutely no point in this argument as without food we die whereas I’ve never seen anybody die of dirty windows
Please please please stay safe guys I know we all have bills to pay but if we save just one life you can not put a price on that.

Do you disinfect your shoes before you enter your home after wading through all that ankle deep CoVid19 when you go to Aldi’s for your fresh fruit ‘n veg?

Na, didn’t think so.

G Griffin

  • Posts: 40745
Re: Spreading the virus
« Reply #54 on: April 01, 2020, 10:05:09 pm »
But I see 'only go to work' as different to 'go to work'.

The guidelines don't say that, Griff.

They say:

"travelling for work purposes, but only where you cannot work from home."

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others
There is no you should go to work. There might be a you can go to work.
Anyway, I can only look at if from my perspective and I only pipe up when someone says something daft.
More recently, peoples' reasons for working have prompted me to reply and not that people are working.
It's the people that are working not that people are working, that's the problem.

From section 4 of the government guidelines ...


As set out in the section on staying at home, you can travel for work purposes, but only where you cannot work from home.

With the exception of the organisations covered above in the section on closing certain businesses and venues, the government has not required any other businesses to close – indeed it is important for business to carry on.

Do you think that that bit in red is actually a government guideline that it is important to work if your business has not been closed by them?
Sorry, Malc, you lost me.
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james peters

  • Posts: 951
Re: Spreading the virus
« Reply #55 on: April 01, 2020, 10:06:52 pm »
have you lot not worked out that our government advise is realy bad .
other nations are doing better .

dazmond

  • Posts: 23968
Re: Spreading the virus
« Reply #56 on: April 01, 2020, 10:08:05 pm »
I am absolutely shocked by the amount of people on here still going to work.
I know it is personal choice but surely the chance of infecting one person is totally unnecessary.
Forget the safe 2 metre guidelines what about the vast amount of surfaces you will touch within a days work.
We all move furniture, plants ,open gates, touch doors etc during a days work meaning the potential is there to spread the virus to multiple gardens during a days work.
People are spending more and more time in there gardens during this self isolation period so with all the will in the world it is impossible to gaurantee the virus will not be passed on.
Ultimately who wants this on there conscience.
If the government decide to stich us up on the 80% allowance then that is there bad and would be a massive betrayal to the millions of people doing the right thing and STAYING AT HOME and therefore having 0% of passing or contracting the virus.
Do people not realise the more people that Stay at home the quicker this virus will be eradicated and everyone not just the selfish few can get back to rebuilding the country.
God I’m bored beyond belief but any risk is a risk not worth taking it is after all just window cleaning.
That’s where the supermarket argument has absolutely no point in this argument as without food we die whereas I’ve never seen anybody die of dirty windows
Please please please stay safe guys I know we all have bills to pay but if we save just one life you can not put a price on that.

ive not had a day off from my normal workload since the lockdown and all my work is bang up to date and im ticking over quite nicely at the moment......if there is a stricter lockdown in the future then obviously ill be staying home.....

the government guidelines say "go to work" if you cant work from home but make sure you maintain at least a 2m distance from other people at all times...we need to try and keep the economy going in our own small way......so ill continue for now.....
price higher/work harder!

Dry Clean

  • Posts: 8858
Re: Spreading the virus
« Reply #57 on: April 01, 2020, 10:11:33 pm »
Anyway, I can only look at if from my perspective

Of course; selfish - self centred people only look at it from their own perspective.

As I say.

Go to work.  That's fine.

Or

Stay at home.  That's fine too.

Just follow the science-led guidelines and we'll all be safe.
I can only follow the guidelines from my perspective. That's why I'm not going to work.
Or I could be really selfish and work and leave the house even though the person that I live with has had some symptoms of coronavirus.
Well done.
Self isolating for 7 days if you or somebody you are in contact with are showing symptoms is a government guideline Flanders, so you're basically doing what the government tells you but haven't the sense to realise it.

dazmond

  • Posts: 23968
Re: Spreading the virus
« Reply #58 on: April 01, 2020, 10:12:35 pm »
have you lot not worked out that our government advise is realy bad .
other nations are doing better .

really?like who?italy?,america?spain? ::)roll.........if we have 20,000 dead after 6 months then it will be considered a good outcome.....we re well under that at present.....
price higher/work harder!

G Griffin

  • Posts: 40745
Re: Spreading the virus
« Reply #59 on: April 01, 2020, 10:14:14 pm »
Anyway, I can only look at if from my perspective

Of course; selfish - self centred people only look at it from their own perspective.

As I say.

Go to work.  That's fine.

Or

Stay at home.  That's fine too.

Just follow the science-led guidelines and we'll all be safe.
I can only follow the guidelines from my perspective. That's why I'm not going to work.
Or I could be really selfish and work and leave the house even though the person that I live with has had some symptoms of coronavirus.
Well done.
Self isolating for 7 days if you or somebody you are in contact with are showing symptoms is a government guideline Flanders, so you're basically doing what the government tells you but haven't the sense to realise it.
Who told me then?
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