[G Griffin]

Government are making it up as they go along.

DO NOT TRUST THEM.

Umm, well, they would be, wouldn't they; these events are unprecedented.

But of course you'd do a better job wouldn't you.

Honestly, would you say they are proactive or reactive? Think about it.

DO NOT TRUST THEM.

I seriously think they are being pro-active.

They've in the course of the last  week thrown together an economical rescue package the likes we and pretty much no other advanced country has ever seen. Its likely to eclipse any other countries rescue package by a country mile except for that of Americas.


But of course for some it just isnt enough. Especially for those with an oversized  sense of entitlement.

A bit harsh, Matt. To some it isn't enough.
And we'll have to pay it back, you know.

The bigest bsil out in history and some people are checking the nags teeth. Thats not harsh, its fact. Of course we’ll have to pay it back; who wouldn’t? Thats economics for you. We’re self-employed, and theyve given us a free for all party invite snd some people still moan. What do they want, seriously, what the feck is it some people want to be f***ing happy?

Some haven't been bailed out. It's not a free for all party invite. It's a loan. It's to prop up the economy that is going to be knackered for a while. I don't know what your last sentence means.
Go and do your shed roof .

[G Griffin]

It will be interesting to see what the self employed actually get, I suspect it will be loss of earnings due to cancelled work rather than refusing to go out and work which will be covered.

Rishi's just told you what you'll get.  80% of your earnings based on an average of your previous three years of tax returns.

AND you can keep on trading at the same time.



That is one heck of a generous gift for those of us who can keep trading.

For three months.

But read the small print if you can not prove you were affected on the next 2021 return you will face a fine.

Once the peak is over and normality returns I will be canvassing like crazy to build up work that was lost over the winter before COVID-19

where did you read that please?

How will I prove I've made a loss due to coronavirus?

The Treasury has not set a figure on how much of a loss allows you to claim. In theory you could claim once you've lost £1.

However, tax officials will be able to check you did actually make a reasonable loss when you eventually file your 2020/21 tax return.

People are being asked to take a "responsible approach". Officials declined to say what the penalties might be if you don't.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/coronavirus-bailout-38million-self-employed-21761600

Some people are taking a lot of time off and some have lost a lot of work. That's why it has been introduced. There can't be a bespoke deal for everyone.
If you don't abuse it, I think you'll be ok.

[G Griffin]

8pm tonight- applause for the nhs out your Windows

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-public-urged-to-clap-for-our-carers-and-applaud-nhs-workers-tonight-11964074

Me and my son did it; he loves making a racket. A few of the neighbours did it; we could hear them but not see them.
It was nice.

[LT carpet cleaning]

I want to know what 8weekly's reaction to Rishi's announcement is?

You’re in a minority of one.

[G Griffin]

He didn't bother me before but he's been a right tit over this.

[gary999]

Back to work Monday for myself, I could have taken a month off total but can't sit it out until June, that's if this grant
arrives by June , new system etc i can see delays especially with the expected increase of infection..I will take the grant when it arrives and no doubt pay for it later...such is life. Best of luck to everyone , stay safe

[Slacky]

Government are making it up as they go along.

DO NOT TRUST THEM.

Umm, well, they would be, wouldn't they; these events are unprecedented.

But of course you'd do a better job wouldn't you.

Honestly, would you say they are proactive or reactive? Think about it.

DO NOT TRUST THEM.

I seriously think they are being pro-active.

They've in the course of the last  week thrown together an economical rescue package the likes we and pretty much no other advanced country has ever seen. Its likely to eclipse any other countries rescue package by a country mile except for that of Americas.


But of course for some it just isnt enough. Especially for those with an oversized  sense of entitlement.

A bit harsh, Matt. To some it isn't enough.
And we'll have to pay it back, you know.

The bigest bsil out in history and some people are checking the nags teeth. Thats not harsh, its fact. Of course we’ll have to pay it back; who wouldn’t? Thats economics for you. We’re self-employed, and theyve given us a free for all party invite snd some people still moan. What do they want, seriously, what the feck is it some people want to be f***ing happy?

Some haven't been bailed out. It's not a free for all party invite. It's a loan. It's to prop up the economy that is going to be knackered for a while. I don't know what your last sentence means.
Go and do your shed roof .

Go and do your home schooling. Who’s the teacher you or your lad?

[deeege]

Be interesting to know whether Dazmond will be accepting  the offer of a free £7.5k minimum government grant, given that yesterday he’d rather be out working than ‘waiting for free handouts’.

Daz?

[andyM]

I just wonder if there is going to be some form of caveat/s in the claim form along the lines of "Were you unable to work during the Covid 19 pandemic?, if so please give details below:"

Or something along those lines.
If so how are window cleaners, who don't use public transport and work outside  going to be able to answer that?

Personally i won't be sitting on my arris until June to then find out im not eligible for a penny.

[deeege]

Yep I’d be amazed if they were actually going to pay out to people who can still work and therefore actually be better off from the situation. Very un-Tory like.

I think there’s going to be a lot of fine print released over the next day or two.

[wayne m]

After the announcement on Monday and was a little unclear Tuesday so didn’t work and again on Wednesday but then we had it confirmed if you can’t do work from home then we should be working but practice safe distancing and keeping inline with the health and safety issues. I made the decision to work yesterday and again today but made contact with every customer I organised to clean and to ok it with them and said no cash, cheques, no teas or coffees or stood chatting on door step and all happy. I completely agree that morally we shouldn’t be working and the government need to put us all in the same boat and stop us but they haven’t and as we are in the unknown territory of if we can get the grant as we can go to work I’ll carry of from now on but safely and contacting each customer I clean first. I wear disposable gloves on each job and wash hands even though I’m only touching my own stuff.  I found it’s easy to keep distance from customers as they understand and stay indoors anyway and no public just walking around.

[Clean Cloth]

2018/19 was my first tax year and my expenses were a lot higher than this tax year as I had to lay out for tools etc, profits were just over 6500 so if I am lucky I will receive a £433 grant per month. That would be helpful but I wont count my  Chickens until it hits the bank account.

I have a feeling that before June there might be some more exclusions or hoops to jump through.
For the commercial work I have lost I used to give an invoice each week to the owner (Handwritten A5 business card) so hope that is proof enough of the 30% loss of earnings.

Unless we are on total lockdown I will try to complete my 17 jobs next week, one has already sent a text asking if I am coming.

As for the grant if it is received I would rather add it to the 2020/21 tax year as earnings will definitely be hit that year.
I can see National Insurance contributions increasing for the self employed at the next Budget.

[Arnold Palmer]

Is this praise?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2020/mar/26/lucky-man-sunak-dishes-the-dosh-and-eyes-up-johnsons-job

In the guardian?



For a Tory chancellor?

Weird.

[deeege]

@Soupy

Would you post the link in here which Tosh has mentioned a few times. I think it shows the predicted spread of the virus or something like that. TIA

[Paul-kent]

When something looks too good to be true then it normally isn’t that great

I can’t see them handing  out your full average weekly profits for a £100 weekly loss they will probably just give you a grant for the £100 per week.

[Arnold Palmer]

@Soupy

Would you post the link in here which Tosh has mentioned a few times. I think it shows the predicted spread of the virus or something like that. TIA

I try not to read wey eh Bonzo's posts.

Sorry.

[Don Kee]

Be interesting to know whether Dazmond will be accepting  the offer of a free £7.5k minimum government grant, given that yesterday he’d rather be out working than ‘waiting for free handouts’.

Daz?

Daz’s whole life is based on handouts.
He’s just too naive to realise it.

[G Griffin]

I just wonder if there is going to be some form of caveat/s in the claim form along the lines of "Were you unable to work during the Covid 19 pandemic?, if so please give details below:"

Or something along those lines.
If so how are window cleaners, who don't use public transport and work outside  going to be able to answer that?

Personally i won't be sitting on my arris until June to then find out im not eligible for a penny.

You have to had made a loss due to coronavirus. That's what it's for. If you work through it and claim you might be penalised.
And for those that do claim it, don't forget that is taxable. 20% of £7,500 could be a sting in the tail if you're not expecting it.

[dazmond]

Back to work Monday for myself, I could have taken a month off total but can't sit it out until June, that's if this grant
arrives by June , new system etc i can see delays especially with the expected increase of infection..I will take the grant when it arrives and no doubt pay for it later...such is life. Best of luck to everyone , stay safe

Good lad.....all the best gary...

[dazmond]

Be interesting to know whether Dazmond will be accepting  the offer of a free £7.5k minimum government grant, given that yesterday he’d rather be out working than ‘waiting for free handouts’.

Daz?

Daz’s whole life is based on handouts.
He’s just too naive to realise it.

I'll tell you what...I'll leave all the squabbling to you lot!

I'll go to work instead.....mind how you go mate......👍