[AuRavelling79]

Well it has been an understandably heated and emotional day or or so since the Government's "Lockdown" announcement.

The dust is still not really settling as different ministers put a different slant on things and we make our decisions as to how we shall conduct our businesses going forward in light of things evolving and in light of community sensibilities.

Let us try our best to draw a line under previous stances, comments and  statements and use this thread to help each other and respect each others decisions to sincerely act in accord with government direction.

All the other threads that have been started and driven by this will be locked over the next half hour or so and be removed due to the name calling, character assassination and  other unpleasantness.

I am not afraid to admit deep apprehension and concern over the coming events in the near future and I am sure you have these feelings too. Let us relieve this by not adding to them by increasing stress levels as we and our families could do with steady and sensible responses in the weeks ahead.

[Missing Link]

The government's advice:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others

Arrows to help the hard of understanding:

[Missing Link]

Matt Hancock (Health sec) today in parliament:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6xTAY2cd1k&feature=youtu.be

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Nicola Sturgeon who specifically mentions window cleaners, in the Jock parliament:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnDE_MX5d5M&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3NB2UYc-ewPBHwB9rch7q-8BgkhVFKTG22UVK8YeRVjMH-S04UdUXbDmM

She notes that window cleaners and gardeners are 'good for the community', not the main driver of the covid-19 epidemic.

[G Griffin]

Nicola Sturgeon who specifically mentions window cleaners, in the Jock parliament:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnDE_MX5d5M&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3NB2UYc-ewPBHwB9rch7q-8BgkhVFKTG22UVK8YeRVjMH-S04UdUXbDmM

She notes that window cleaners and gardeners are 'good for the community', not the main driver of the covid-19 epidemic.

So window cleaners and gardeners are not the main drivers of corvid-19? Who ever said they were?
Are you making this up?
And it's a pandemic.

[Missing Link]

So window cleaners and gardeners are not the main drivers of corvid-19? Who ever said they were?

Oh, so we can work safely?

Brilliant.

You're getting there, Griff.

[G Griffin]

You made it up, didn't you?
Did  you actually think that window cleaners were that important to be a main driver of corvid-19?
Anyway, get to bed, flouty, you've an economy to keep going.

[LT carpet cleaning]

You made it up, didn't you?
Did  you actually think that window cleaners were that important to be a main driver of corvid-19?
Anyway, get to bed, flouty, you've an economy to keep going.

Only for about a day or 2. The near sightedness brigade will see to that. 

[G Griffin]

You made it up, didn't you?
Did  you actually think that window cleaners were that important to be a main driver of corvid-19?
Anyway, get to bed, flouty, you've an economy to keep going.

Only for about a day or 2. The near sightedness brigade will see to that. 

It's in the post.
People are dying, ten or less at the funeral but those windows need cleaning.
It's embarrassing.

[nick lawes]

IT IS BETTER SKINT AND ALIVE THAN RICH AND DEAD

[G Griffin]

IT IS BETTER SKINT AND ALIVE THAN RICH AND DEAD

Correct and welcome to the forum, Nick!
Saying that, I've never been rich or dead.

[Granny]

That's enough for me. Stayed in yesterday until we got a bit more clarification. Hardly see most of our customers anyway and have some today who pay by standing order, they've paid for the service so we're going ahead!

[deeege]

Great so now we have to listen to the same people carrying on their arguments from the ‘other topics’ section. 

[Jonny 87]

Latest advice for us is to carry on, but with safe working practices.

We can run our business in a way that we have zero contact with customers.

You guys do realise that because of these statements by the government we are going to be entitled to nothing from them, no help, no 80% wage etc. That’s currently how it stands.

Meanwhile everyone else is sat at home getting paid most if not all of their wage, so £10 a month to pay the window cleaner is no issue.

Unless you have 6 months wages in the bank then your going to have to carry on, but working safely.
Even if you do have savings in the bank do you want to run yourself completely dry when your actually being advised to carry on working?

Everyone has a personal decision to make, but currently this is the latest advice. If your happy to use up all your savings and stay home then great, if your happy to work but will keep the social distancing protocols then that is also great.

The virus IS going to spread guys. There’s no stopping it. The experts are just saying we need to slow it down. Herd immunity. Google that phrase if your unsure.

[Arnold Palmer]

From a health and safety perspective - we go out in pairs and visit many pensioner's houses - best stay at home.

From a moral perspective - it's impossible to be out working and not have some interaction that would be otherwise avoided, buying fuel etc, the more people who stay at home the less people will die - best stay at home.

From a business perspective - it's going to be a mess. Boris and his shower of charlatans can't be relied upon for anything. He's a proven liar and a terrible leader, as demonstrated by the chaos yesterday. When this is over I'll pick up the pieces, having seen the social media shaming of window cleaners who went out yesterday I think there will be more pieces to pick up if we're closed - best stay at home.

[dazmond]

its obvious that certain trades need to take the social distancing more seriously....this is essential according to scientific sources to avoid the spread of this virus....

as a window cleaner who works on his own and can easily apply the social distancing rule i agree with the government.....we need to keep the economy moving...it cant be allowed to totally grind to a halt....

if you can work outside safely...then do it...no ifs,no buts.....

get off this forum(its not doing some of you any good whatsoever)switch off the tv,laptop,tablet,etc and get out there.......

have a great day chaps.....

[Jonny 87]

From a health and safety perspective - we go out in pairs and visit many pensioner's houses - best stay at home.

From a moral perspective - it's impossible to be out working and not have some interaction that would be otherwise avoided, buying fuel etc, the more people who stay at home the less people will die - best stay at home.

From a business perspective - it's going to be a mess. Boris and his shower of charlatans can't be relied upon for anything. He's a proven liar and a terrible leader, as demonstrated by the chaos yesterday. When this is over I'll pick up the pieces, having seen the social media shaming of window cleaners who went out yesterday I think there will be more pieces to pick up if we're closed - best stay at home.

What was it, 2 pictures yesterday on Facebook soupy? Don’t let that influence a decision. Neanderthals can still poorly type a Facebook post as they sit their getting the weekly dole check.

All my customers have been supportive and are glad I am carrying on for now. I’ve even picked up 3 new jobs this week.

I’m going out alone now, (not taking another worker with me) and also not going to come into contact with anyone. I’ll physically stand 2 metres away if someone comes to the door and they can leave the money on the step.

The business doesn’t have to be a shambles, just work safely.

Everyone else is getting looked after by the government, we’ve just got to fend for ourselves unfortunately.

When all is said and done and businesses go bankrupt, can’t pay mortgages, then the government will say, “but why did you stop work”, “you were told you could safely carry on”.
When your employees aren’t entitled to the 80% wage, the governments response will be the same.

The real shame in this is why self employed people aren’t getting the same help as employed.

[dazmond]

From a health and safety perspective - we go out in pairs and visit many pensioner's houses - best stay at home.

From a moral perspective - it's impossible to be out working and not have some interaction that would be otherwise avoided, buying fuel etc, the more people who stay at home the less people will die - best stay at home.

From a business perspective - it's going to be a mess. Boris and his shower of charlatans can't be relied upon for anything. He's a proven liar and a terrible leader, as demonstrated by the chaos yesterday. When this is over I'll pick up the pieces, having seen the social media shaming of window cleaners who went out yesterday I think there will be more pieces to pick up if we're closed - best stay at home.

i think this pandemic will go on longer than a few months mate.....it could be 2 YEARS i reckon(on and off lockdowns).......cant you send workers out on their own...one van,one man?

[jk999]

I dont want to get into an argument but its ok for government to say stay at home but 3 or even maybe 12 weeks of work is gonna cripple alot of window cleaners ,its not just the time of its gonna be the months after it may even take a long time to get back on straight and narrow ,alot of people are gonna get into serious debt over this ,things still need paying mortgage, food,electric, gas,phone bills,tv licenses, sky and before anyone says cut sky of thats gonna play a big part of the isolation and probably alot more bills on top of that money doesn't last long

[Slacky]

get off this forum(its not doing some of you any good whatsoever)

Exactly.