[chris turner]

Lives come first....we all have to make sacrifices, no matter how painful. Just be thankful you are not a casualty of this corona virus or a nurse or doctor, they have families who they are worried about.
My ex is a nurse and she tells me in confidence she is scarred and nothing scares her! She has to isolate from her family and sleep near work and her life is work and sleep at the moment and nothing else whilst fearing for her vulnerable mother who is very old, with illness and very fragile. Her daughter has asthma, she is worried sick about her as she works in a care home.
I'm an ex veteran myself and it is a gut wrenching feeling when you are told you have to play your part in war and conflicts, you have to suck it up and just get on with it for the sake of others.
Have a heart and stay home for the sake of your families, your loved ones, your friends and for yourself.

Good post. As even Piers bloody Morgan said yesterday, no ones being asked to dodge bullets and bombs, just stay home and watch telly!!

Yet for some who can't afford to take time off, perhaps they will be having to dodge bullets when they have to resort to crime to pay their way.

[Splash & dash]

Lives come first....we all have to make sacrifices, no matter how painful. Just be thankful you are not a casualty of this corona virus or a nurse or doctor, they have families who they are worried about.
My ex is a nurse and she tells me in confidence she is scarred and nothing scares her! She has to isolate from her family and sleep near work and her life is work and sleep at the moment and nothing else whilst fearing for her vulnerable mother who is very old, with illness and very fragile. Her daughter has asthma, she is worried sick about her as she works in a care home.
I'm an ex veteran myself and it is a gut wrenching feeling when you are told you have to play your part in war and conflicts, you have to suck it up and just get on with it for the sake of others.
Have a heart and stay home for the sake of your families, your loved ones, your friends and for yourself.

Good post. As even Piers bloody Morgan said yesterday, no ones being asked to dodge bullets and bombs, just stay home and watch telly!!

Yet for some who can't afford to take time off, perhaps they will be having to dodge bullets when they have to resort to crime to pay their way.

What a load of rubbish there is no need for ones to be in that situation if they are then they don’t have a good buisness model and would be better off employed by someone  else

[LT carpet cleaning]

Lives come first....we all have to make sacrifices, no matter how painful. Just be thankful you are not a casualty of this corona virus or a nurse or doctor, they have families who they are worried about.
My ex is a nurse and she tells me in confidence she is scarred and nothing scares her! She has to isolate from her family and sleep near work and her life is work and sleep at the moment and nothing else whilst fearing for her vulnerable mother who is very old, with illness and very fragile. Her daughter has asthma, she is worried sick about her as she works in a care home.
I'm an ex veteran myself and it is a gut wrenching feeling when you are told you have to play your part in war and conflicts, you have to suck it up and just get on with it for the sake of others.
Have a heart and stay home for the sake of your families, your loved ones, your friends and for yourself.

Good post. As even Piers bloody Morgan said yesterday, no ones being asked to dodge bullets and bombs, just stay home and watch telly!!

Yet for some who can't afford to take time off, perhaps they will be having to dodge bullets when they have to resort to crime to pay their way.

What a load of rubbish there is no need for ones to be in that situation if they are then they don’t have a good buisness model and would be better off employed by someone  else

I thought that. Ultimately as long as you’ve paid your taxes ...self employed or not...you won’t starve. So those who need to “dodge bullets”, well let’s hope they don’t dodge them for long.

[chris turner]

Lives come first....we all have to make sacrifices, no matter how painful. Just be thankful you are not a casualty of this corona virus or a nurse or doctor, they have families who they are worried about.
My ex is a nurse and she tells me in confidence she is scarred and nothing scares her! She has to isolate from her family and sleep near work and her life is work and sleep at the moment and nothing else whilst fearing for her vulnerable mother who is very old, with illness and very fragile. Her daughter has asthma, she is worried sick about her as she works in a care home.
I'm an ex veteran myself and it is a gut wrenching feeling when you are told you have to play your part in war and conflicts, you have to suck it up and just get on with it for the sake of others.
Have a heart and stay home for the sake of your families, your loved ones, your friends and for yourself.

Good post. As even Piers bloody Morgan said yesterday, no ones being asked to dodge bullets and bombs, just stay home and watch telly!!

Yet for some who can't afford to take time off, perhaps they will be having to dodge bullets when they have to resort to crime to pay their way.

What a load of rubbish there is no need for ones to be in that situation if they are then they don’t have a good buisness model and would be better off employed by someone  else

Some on here are still building rounds or have small rounds. If they can't work and as of yet cant claim, what do you suppose they do for money?
The job market is dead unless you want to work in a supermarket.
It's easy for people like piers Morgan to sit at home in his mansion and tell people to stay at home isnt it.

[chris turner]

Many of us are lucky enough to have been trading for years, with large established rounds and enough disposable to see us through a few months.
Others live week to week or month to month, I bet they are sh!ting their pants right now.

[LT carpet cleaning]

Many of us are lucky enough to have been trading for years, with large established rounds and enough disposable to see us through a few months.
Others live week to week or month to month, I bet they are sh!ting their pants right now.

They still won’t starve though.

[dazmond]

What I find surprising  is the ones who are boasting about what they earn per hour are the ones that are panicking beacause they cannot afford to take time off , something doesn’t add up to me if you cannot afford to take three months off without pay you don’t run a very successful buisness , and arnt being truthful about your earnings

whos panicking?it seems to me its other window cleaners that have been having a meltdown on here today....the government said i could carry on working .....so i will for as long as im allowed to continue.......it was a nice,sunny day  and i really enjoyed being out on the glass today.....i dont want to be sat at home if i can work outside safely.....my missus business will take a big hit as she has had to close her shop for the forseeable future so i want to be able to help her financially over the coming months without spending all my hard earned savings thats took me 10 years to build up.....

[Missing Link]

Many of us are lucky enough to have been trading for years, with large established rounds and enough disposable to see us through a few months.
Others live week to week or month to month, I bet they are sh!ting their pants right now.

I reckon I could go six months, with a mortgage holiday of three months, comfortably but would have to use credit cards.

But this problem is long term.  There is no exit strategy - not just from the UK gov - but from any nation.

20,000 dead will be a good result for the UK.  We'll probably have a far higher number.  Currently we've got around 500 dead; things are going to get baaaaaaaaad.

Get it in while you can. 

[chris turner]

Many of us are lucky enough to have been trading for years, with large established rounds and enough disposable to see us through a few months.
Others live week to week or month to month, I bet they are sh!ting their pants right now.

They still won’t starve though.

They may not starve but they may not be able to pay their bills. The thought of going into debt can make people do stupid things.

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Many of us are lucky enough to have been trading for years, with large established rounds and enough disposable to see us through a few months.
Others live week to week or month to month, I bet they are sh!ting their pants right now.

They still won’t starve though.

If you are not earning and have little savings how do you buy food?

[Splash & dash]

Many of us are lucky enough to have been trading for years, with large established rounds and enough disposable to see us through a few months.
Others live week to week or month to month, I bet they are sh!ting their pants right now.

For ones starting out I accept it will be harder but they can claim benefits for  housing and a host of other things suggesting they turn to crime is irresponsible ,and if they did an£ get caught that’s the end of there self employment once the community finds out , I started out over 20  years ago doing one day a week trad and supported a young family and mortgage by doing a variety of other work until I got established, now I employ 5 and have three vans that’s not boasting but showing what hard work and determination can achieve , I could easily take 6 months off paying all staff full wages fir that time period , that hasn’t happened by accident it’s through planning saving and hard work , it’s not rocket science anyone can do it if they put there mind ti it , if they cannot then they arnt suited to running there own buisness, one of the guys who works for  me gave up his round as he couldn’t make a living from it , since working with us he sees how he could have succeeded but he would rather work for me as no hassle. To many people start up there own buisness and fail due to having no idear what they are doing ,or are lazy and not disciplined that’s not insulting anyone but is a fact , I see probably a couple of dozen new starters every year go out and buy all the flash kit and 6 months later cannot make the payments and go bust . 

[Splash & dash]

Many of us are lucky enough to have been trading for years, with large established rounds and enough disposable to see us through a few months.
Others live week to week or month to month, I bet they are sh!ting their pants right now.

Work more than one job , that’s what I did , or apply for benefits
They still won’t starve though.

If you are not earning and have little savings how do you buy food?

[Missing Link]

For ones starting out I accept it will be harder but they can claim benefits for  housing and a host of other things suggesting they turn to crime is irresponsible ,and if they did an£ get caught that’s the end of there self employment once the community finds out , I started out over 20  years ago doing one day a week trad and supported a young family and mortgage by doing a variety of other work until I got established, now I employ 5 and have three vans that’s not boasting but showing what hard work and determination can achieve , I could easily take 6 months off paying all staff full wages fir that time period , that hasn’t happened by accident it’s through planning saving and hard work , it’s not rocket science anyone can do it if they put there mind ti it , if they cannot then they arnt suited to running there own buisness, one of the guys who works for  me gave up his round as he couldn’t make a living from it , since working with us he sees how he could have succeeded but he would rather work for me as no hassle. To many people start up there own buisness and fail due to having no idear what they are doing ,or are lazy and not disciplined that’s not insulting anyone but is a fact , I see probably a couple of dozen new starters every year go out and buy all the flash kit and 6 months later cannot make the payments and go bust .

What have you done with your staff, Splash?

[Splash & dash]

Many of us are lucky enough to have been trading for years, with large established rounds and enough disposable to see us through a few months.
Others live week to week or month to month, I bet they are sh!ting their pants right now.

I reckon I could go six months, with a mortgage holiday of three months, comfortably but would have to use credit cards.

But this problem is long term.  There is no exit strategy - not just from the UK gov - but from any nation.

20,000 dead will be a good result for the UK.  We'll probably have a far higher number.  Currently we've got around 500 dead; things are going to get baaaaaaaaad.

Get it in while you can.

It’s comments like this that are causing the problems “ get it in while you can “ I accept it’s unlikely we would get it or pass it on but it’s not worth the risk ,if everyone stayed in for a few weeks the problem would soon be o er but it’s a me first attitude that is feeling the issues we are facing , my daughter is a paramedic and dealing with this every day the way there ones are dying isn’t pleasant , and you are advocating get out there madness !,,,,

[Splash & dash]

For ones starting out I accept it will be harder but they can claim benefits for  housing and a host of other things suggesting they turn to crime is irresponsible ,and if they did an£ get caught that’s the end of there self employment once the community finds out , I started out over 20  years ago doing one day a week trad and supported a young family and mortgage by doing a variety of other work until I got established, now I employ 5 and have three vans that’s not boasting but showing what hard work and determination can achieve , I could easily take 6 months off paying all staff full wages fir that time period , that hasn’t happened by accident it’s through planning saving and hard work , it’s not rocket science anyone can do it if they put there mind ti it , if they cannot then they arnt suited to running there own buisness, one of the guys who works for  me gave up his round as he couldn’t make a living from it , since working with us he sees how he could have succeeded but he would rather work for me as no hassle. To many people start up there own buisness and fail due to having no idear what they are doing ,or are lazy and not disciplined that’s not insulting anyone but is a fact , I see probably a couple of dozen new starters every year go out and buy all the flash kit and 6 months later cannot make the payments and go bust .

What have you done with your staff, Splash?

They are paid monthly and i will be paying  them until things are sorted out , then if they have been overpaid as they hopefully will get paid 80% by the government they will refund it , they are good lads and I trust them and they trust me

[dazmond]

Many of us are lucky enough to have been trading for years, with large established rounds and enough disposable to see us through a few months.
Others live week to week or month to month, I bet they are sh!ting their pants right now.

I reckon I could go six months, with a mortgage holiday of three months, comfortably but would have to use credit cards.

But this problem is long term.  There is no exit strategy - not just from the UK gov - but from any nation.

20,000 dead will be a good result for the UK.  We'll probably have a far higher number.  Currently we've got around 500 dead; things are going to get baaaaaaaaad.

Get it in while you can.

It’s comments like this that are causing the problems “ get it in while you can “ I accept it’s unlikely we would get it or pass it on but it’s not worth the risk ,if everyone stayed in for a few weeks the problem would soon be o er but it’s a me first attitude that is feeling the issues we are facing , my daughter is a paramedic and dealing with this every day the way there ones are dying isn’t pleasant , and you are advocating get out there madness !,,,,

get a grip....you ve just said it yourself!ITS HIGHLY UNLIKELY that youll  pass on/contract the virus cleaning windows.....

so crack on....observing the 2m distance (at least) and insist on BACS payments......SIMPLE.....

[chris turner]

Many of us are lucky enough to have been trading for years, with large established rounds and enough disposable to see us through a few months.
Others live week to week or month to month, I bet they are sh!ting their pants right now.

I reckon I could go six months, with a mortgage holiday of three months, comfortably but would have to use credit cards.

But this problem is long term.  There is no exit strategy - not just from the UK gov - but from any nation.

20,000 dead will be a good result for the UK.  We'll probably have a far higher number.  Currently we've got around 500 dead; things are going to get baaaaaaaaad.

Get it in while you can.

I had a number quoted to me today, potentially 250,000 in 1 year, even with current restrictions.
Most of those not in the current outbreak but in the 'expected' second wave later this year, when the weather turns cold again.

[Missing Link]

I accept it’s unlikely we would get it or pass it on but it’s not worth the risk

Everything in life has a risk once you step outside your front door.

I communicated with four customers today, without a physical barrier between us.  No cash passed hands.  We stayed over 2 meters apart.

Other customers just 'waved at me from the other side of the window' as requested in my letter that explained our new working practices.

It's all in line with government guidelines; I'll follow them rather than hysterics from the internet.

[Missing Link]

I had a number quoted to me today, potentially 250,000 in 1 year, even with current restrictions.
Most of those not in the current outbreak but in the 'expected' second wave later this year, when the weather turns cold again.

It's going to be a cycle of number of cases grow, lock down, number of cases grow, lock down; repeat, repeat, repeat.

Work while government says you can; they're the ones led by science, not hysterics.

[chris turner]

The NHS will be completely overwhelmed by the end of the year. Second wave of Corona, flu as well as a much higher then average birth rate caused by current conditions and people spending alot of time together. As more and more NHS staff are infected and die, we lose skilled doctors and nurses who will be impossible to train and replace in time leading to massive staff shortages on top of huge numbers of patients. Cancer death rates will soar and people will by dying of things that are normally require routine operations and treatments. Expect xmas to be pretty much cancelled this year...