[John Mart]

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/business-and-other-venues-subject-to-further-social-distancing-measures/businesses-and-other-venues-subject-to-further-social-distancing-measures

I read this as we’ve not been told to close. As a business that employs I’m not certain my employees would get 80%. If you’re self employed I’m not sure you’d get it either as no one has told us to close. You can have a pizza delivered FFS!

[Arnold Palmer]

This you?

[John Mart]

This you?

It is. Until I read the above link I’d decided I had to close. Now I think if I do, my staff may not get paid. It’s been badly handled.

[Arnold Palmer]

This you?

It is. Until I read the above link I’d decided I had to close. Now I think if I do, my staff may not get paid. It’s been badly handled.

It has. What so now you're unsure if you're getting a taxpayer funded long holiday?

[John Mart]

This you?

It is. Until I read the above link I’d decided I had to close. Now I think if I do, my staff may not get paid. It’s been badly handled.

It has. What so now you're unsure if you're getting a taxpayer funded long holiday?

If you’d like a conversation you’re welcome to call me, but I’m not getting into the public spat you may be after. I’ve read you’ve decided to close and that’s fine. I had decided the same until I read the link. I’m not convinced my staff will get paid if we stop and I’ll bow out of this here.

[Arnold Palmer]

Don't let the door hit you on the arse on your way out.

[simon w]

Just read the information my accountant and payroll have been emailing this week and it looks like the employees 80% won't be available until early April paid I believe directly to employee by HMRC BUT we do need to be eligible for this as in if HMRC read our claim and say you could/can still work then we won't be getting any back payments in April for our employees 80%

So the dilemma now is do we carry on working until government confirm who can and can't work, sack employees with immediate effect with no further payments/wages or keep paying them 80% of their weekly wage and take the gamble HMRC will come good.   

[Arnold Palmer]

Just read the information my accountant and payroll have been emailing this week and it looks like the employees 80% won't be available until early April paid I believe directly to employee by HMRC BUT we do need to be eligible for this as in if HMRC read our claim and say you could/can still work then we won't be getting any back payments in April for our employees 80%

So the dilemma now is do we carry on working until government confirm who can and can't work, sack employees with immediate effect with no further payments/wages or keep paying them 80% of their weekly wage and take the gamble HMRC will come good.

I'm taking the gamble. I've put everyone on enforced holidays for two weeks (probably be three now) and I'm hoping for more clarity by then.

It's literally life and death now.

[John Mart]

Dated 22/3.

Apologies

[simon w]

Just read the information my accountant and payroll have been emailing this week and it looks like the employees 80% won't be available until early April paid I believe directly to employee by HMRC BUT we do need to be eligible for this as in if HMRC read our claim and say you could/can still work then we won't be getting any back payments in April for our employees 80%

So the dilemma now is do we carry on working until government confirm who can and can't work, sack employees with immediate effect with no further payments/wages or keep paying them 80% of their weekly wage and take the gamble HMRC will come good.

I'm taking the gamble. I've put everyone on enforced holidays for two weeks (probably be three now) and I'm hoping for more clarity by then.

It's literally life and death now.

Be careful about that decision Soupy part of me is thinking that when we get to the form filing stage we'll be told you could keep working as it's impossible for you to work from home and your not eligible (Gov will be wanting to keep as much money as possible before it runs out) you could seriously cripple yourself financially and be no use to your custards or employees when this is all over. The forced paid holiday is a good idea let them have the remaining 28 days entitlement I'm considering unpaid leave if we get no clarification over the employees 80% and offer them their jobs if they want them when it's all over. If our businesses fold financially we can't employ them when it's all over if we manage stay a float we still have a customer base so can build strength and aim to get back to normal.

Sounds like your confident we are being told we can't work and will be eligible for 80%  we are going out today but will be listening for confirmation on if/not we can work then go from there. Can you have your guy's doing isolated maintenance work on vans and equipment while their not working or don't you want need this?? 

[deeege]

I’m being cynical here but as things stand anyone in a business that is later deemed to be able to carry on working until a COMPLETE lockdown won’t be paid up until that point. There’s no way this government are going to just pay everyone 80% no questions asked.

* posted at the same time as Simon above *

[Slacky]

Rishi  should've been up there with Boris last night and stepped in afterwards to put an alternative in place

[NWH]

Why do people keep saying we can’t work from home you could of kept working as if they mean that in particular as regarding people like us,it means if you are not a key worker ie Nurse-Doctor care worker etc.
Going by that speech I’d say there’s a pretty good chance you will be entitled don’t you,some people just don’t like spending time with there Mrs lol.

[Don Kee]

Great, the bell ends back; probably pis5ed everyone off on faceache.

Still think all self-employed are looking for an easy holiday during the pandemic?

[NWH]

Just been announced on the news cleaning peoples windows has been classed as an emergency 😂 come on peoples employees or not use you’re head,I think some people want Boris to stand up there and say this is to all window cleaners you can’t work lol.

[G Griffin]

Boris can't tell you to close, so he won't. Yet.

[G Griffin]

I’m being cynical here but as things stand anyone in a business that is later deemed to be able to carry on working until a COMPLETE lockdown won’t be paid up until that point. There’s no way this government are going to just pay everyone 80% no questions asked.

* posted at the same time as Simon above *

I read that they had already had to lay people off.

[Ooooooog]

We’ve got no work coming in, so that’s pretty decisive. Window cleaning is about 10% of our work. Everyone is off on statutory sick pay as that’s the best concrete option at the moment.

[Missing Link]

Just read the information my accountant and payroll have been emailing this week and it looks like the employees 80% won't be available until early April paid I believe directly to employee by HMRC BUT we do need to be eligible for this as in if HMRC read our claim and say you could/can still work then we won't be getting any back payments in April for our employees 80%

JV Price have just furloughed Dino (used to post here).  They're a big company and I would guess would use lawyers.

My point is, if JV Price are furloughing, then you can be fairly certain you can claim the 80% for employees.

Remember, window cleaning buisinesses who do mostly commercial work will have been badly hit, so for them it would make sense to furlough some or all of their workers and get 80%.

[Missing Link]

If you’re self employed I’m not sure you’d get it either as no one has told us to close.

If you concentrated on a certain kind of work demographic such as pubs, shopping centres and that kind of thing where the public gather, you won't have to be told to close, you just will.

So for those I would hope and expect government provides a safety net.