[NWH]

You  need to be taking double yourself for what your paying them,if they were cleaning 300 I’d want 200 if it was my van they were working from. 2 blokes from 1 van cleaning 350 says to me you either have below average prices or they are having you over time wise with cleaning it,in effect they are  only cleaning a back and a side or a front and a side on each property which on even big jobs can mostly be silly quick to clean,this is why when you’ve cleaned the stuff yourself you know what should be done and what can be done realistically in a day on  the glass.

[Crystal-clear]

1 man working a full day if you have decent work should be able to clean 400 quids worth of work,if it’s worth his while he’ll get that much work done if you pay him 100 a day he make excuses and say it’s not doable.

One man turning over £2000 a week??? Yeh right lol.  Good luck.

Us maintaining that would be impossible even if you work alone That's because we need to do everything else associated with the business . But an employee who goes home sleeps works goes home after work and sleeps literally only Focuses on one job this is doable if your pricing correctly and the hours are put in.

£400 per day one van is where it needs to really be to make it worth while sounds impressive but wait till I break it down.

£400 gross of standard rate vat is £333 net take away at least £120 for wages inc holiday etc leaves £213.00 take away diesel for the day £10 £203 add up your annual passive running costs like insurance tax repairs so from £400 we could easily break that number down to about £170.
How many working hours have you put in for that £170? Sorting the van out every night sorting the work out speaking to customers repairing replacing equipment. You could genuinely deduct £50 a day for yourself for that then you've got your annual wage..
So really needs to be 350-400 minimum when you break it down the 400 sounds alot better given all the expenses and vat in order to make a decent profit for all the time you're also putting in.

[NWH]

It all depends on what type of work you have someone who cleans 20-30 small houses a day would think it impossible,so does the thought of someone with 8-9 vans turning over 60-70k a month.
Where there’s a will there’s a way if you have big houses you can clean 3-4 big detached houses and a very big one on top of that and 400 is easily done,how many years have you been sorting wheat from chaff do you make the effort to weed out all the rubbish,do you say no to a job even though some people may think you were mad to turn it away if you’ve done the above you’ll know 400 will get done easily enough most days.
Everyone’s work is different just because you yourself can’t achieve certain numbers don’t jump to conclusions thinking others aren’t doing it at a canter.

[jay moley]

Without answering to every individual post:

1) I think they are slow hence why they're not banging enough out.

2) Average job is £20.

3) There speed maybe being affected a little bit by poor access issues at jobs. Jobs I took on when I built the round and would take anything on. This is not the majority of work tho.

4) They have become complacent.

5) I should have addressed the issue sooner.

6) Ultimately I'd like to replace both. As someone posted maybe the next step is getting rid of one. One of them is slower than the other, so he'd be the one to go.

7) I haven't incentivised them so in there eyes they have no reason to work quicker/harder.

Thanks for all the replies.

[Scrimble]

Saying you need them is short term thinking, you need to think long term, paying out 205 and they are turning over 350 you will go bankrupt

[Crystal-clear]

Without answering to every individual post:

1) I think they are slow hence why they're not banging enough out.

2) Average job is £20.

3) There speed maybe being affected a little bit by poor access issues at jobs. Jobs I took on when I built the round and would take anything on. This is not the majority of work tho.

4) They have become complacent.

5) I should have addressed the issue sooner.

6) Ultimately I'd like to replace both. As someone posted maybe the next step is getting rid of one. One of them is slower than the other, so he'd be the one to go.

7) I haven't incentivised them so in there eyes they have no reason to work quicker/harder.

Thanks for all the replies.

I think that's the best bet you'll have to let one go it's obviously going to be quite a hard conversation no one's going to like it so it would be fair to give notice even if you have them on self employment.
And if they still can't find work you can mention when things get busier I can bring you in occasionally.

I think the best thing for you to do is go out again with one person find out what you both can make consistently over the week.and do the whole round.

If you find out you're averaging about £600 per day then you know people have been slacking.
In which case next time you have two people doing the work just be clear with them explain you have a lot of expenses and VAT to eventually pay so the target will be £600 you have to do this to keep your job otherwise I just do it myself.

You're in business to make a profit

[jay moley]

Without answering to every individual post:

1) I think they are slow hence why they're not banging enough out.

2) Average job is £20.

3) There speed maybe being affected a little bit by poor access issues at jobs. Jobs I took on when I built the round and would take anything on. This is not the majority of work tho.

4) They have become complacent.

5) I should have addressed the issue sooner.

6) Ultimately I'd like to replace both. As someone posted maybe the next step is getting rid of one. One of them is slower than the other, so he'd be the one to go.

7) I haven't incentivised them so in there eyes they have no reason to work quicker/harder.

Thanks for all the replies.

I think that's the best bet you'll have to let one go it's obviously going to be quite a hard conversation no one's going to like it so it would be fair to give notice even if you have them on self employment.
And if they still can't find work you can mention when things get busier I can bring you in occasionally.

I think the best thing for you to do is go out again with one person find out what you both can make consistently over the week.and do the whole round.

If you find out you're averaging about £600 per day then you know people have been slacking.
In which case next time you have two people doing the work just be clear with them explain you have a lot of expenses and VAT to eventually pay so the target will be £600 you have to do this to keep your job otherwise I just do it myself.

You're in business to make a profit

Two people doing £600 a day?

That can't be possible unless you had some commercial work or a few massive houses.

This thread makes me feel like a massive c

[Richard iSparkle]

Two people doing £600 a day?

That can't be possible unless you had some commercial work or a few massive houses.

This thread makes me feel like a massive c

hi jay,

its very possible.

i average £400 a day one man per van on domestics. not every day as some rounds are incomplete, but some are over £400

we've been doing £600 on domestics a day with 2 people  for years (before i split the guys up last year

i pay my guys who can do this £90 a day fully employed. they've been with me for over 5 years

it depends on the average price per house, but also your setup and your training. i could only train guys to hit these figures when i could do it myself. before i could do it myself (i started off just office based) the guys were telling me its impossible to hit £300 a day

some people will say it depends on what area of the country you are in.. but i have people in my same area who think they cant change over £10 a house

hope this is food for thought.

R

[Stoots]

Without answering to every individual post:

1) I think they are slow hence why they're not banging enough out.

2) Average job is £20.

3) There speed maybe being affected a little bit by poor access issues at jobs. Jobs I took on when I built the round and would take anything on. This is not the majority of work tho.

4) They have become complacent.

5) I should have addressed the issue sooner.

6) Ultimately I'd like to replace both. As someone posted maybe the next step is getting rid of one. One of them is slower than the other, so he'd be the one to go.

7) I haven't incentivised them so in there eyes they have no reason to work quicker/harder.

Thanks for all the replies.

I think that's the best bet you'll have to let one go it's obviously going to be quite a hard conversation no one's going to like it so it would be fair to give notice even if you have them on self employment.
And if they still can't find work you can mention when things get busier I can bring you in occasionally.

I think the best thing for you to do is go out again with one person find out what you both can make consistently over the week.and do the whole round.

If you find out you're averaging about £600 per day then you know people have been slacking.
In which case next time you have two people doing the work just be clear with them explain you have a lot of expenses and VAT to eventually pay so the target will be £600 you have to do this to keep your job otherwise I just do it myself.

You're in business to make a profit

Two people doing £600 a day?

That can't be possible unless you had some commercial work or a few massive houses.

This thread makes me feel like a massive c

If you have an average job price of £20 then that's only 30 Jobs for £600?

Or are your jobs big houses or spread out?

When I work as a 2 man we regularly do 35 to 40 houses a day. Average 3 bed semis for the most part.

[NWH]

If it’s 30 jobs and they are not compact day in day out it would be a lot harder to achieve,if you have large houses that are 50-60 + you can see how this is easily doable with 2 men in 1 van.

[Crystal-clear]

Jay dont feel stupid just go out in the van yourself with one person and test the water.
7h work plus a break.. a long days work
Then See what your able to hit all you'll need is 4 full houses an hour for 2 guys on average x 7h will get you £560.00.
Make your goal of going out monday with your best guy and report back to us nothing much more to say till then.

[Richard iSparkle]

Jay dont feel stupid just go out in the van yourself with one person and test the water.
7h work plus a break.. a long days work
Then See what your able to hit all you'll need is 4 full houses an hour for 2 guys on average x 7h will get you £560.00.
Make your goal of going out monday with your best guy and report back to us nothing much more to say till then.

exactly this

once you know what can be done, work out how to get there.

it'll take a bit of time to get there, but with a mindset of.. 'what do i need to do to hit this target?' you will do so.

[Dry Clean]

Two people doing £600 a day?

That can't be possible unless you had some commercial work or a few massive houses.

This thread makes me feel like a massive c

hi jay,

its very possible.

i average £400 a day one man per van on domestics. not every day as some rounds are incomplete, but some are over £400

we've been doing £600 on domestics a day with 2 people  for years (before i split the guys up last year

i pay my guys who can do this £90 a day fully employed. they've been with me for over 5 years

it depends on the average price per house, but also your setup and your training. i could only train guys to hit these figures when i could do it myself. before i could do it myself (i started off just office based) the guys were telling me its impossible to hit £300 a day

some people will say it depends on what area of the country you are in.. but i have people in my same area who think they cant change over £10 a house

hope this is food for thought.

R

Knocking out £400 worth of work for £90 a day, how brain dead would you need to be not come home from work each day feeling like a total mug.

[Dry Clean]

Jay dont feel stupid just go out in the van yourself with one person and test the water.
7h work plus a break.. a long days work
Then See what your able to hit all you'll need is 4 full houses an hour for 2 guys on average x 7h will get you £560.00.
Make your goal of going out monday with your best guy and report back to us nothing much more to say till then.

Why doesn't he already know this ? there's just too much on this thread that doesn't add up.

[NWH]

I agree Dry clean to a point but that’s what they’d need to be doing to make it worth it especially if they were using a supplied vehicle.

[Richard iSparkle]

Two people doing £600 a day?

That can't be possible unless you had some commercial work or a few massive houses.

This thread makes me feel like a massive c

hi jay,

its very possible.

i average £400 a day one man per van on domestics. not every day as some rounds are incomplete, but some are over £400

we've been doing £600 on domestics a day with 2 people  for years (before i split the guys up last year

i pay my guys who can do this £90 a day fully employed. they've been with me for over 5 years

it depends on the average price per house, but also your setup and your training. i could only train guys to hit these figures when i could do it myself. before i could do it myself (i started off just office based) the guys were telling me its impossible to hit £300 a day

some people will say it depends on what area of the country you are in.. but i have people in my same area who think they cant change over £10 a house

hope this is food for thought.

R

Knocking out £400 worth of work for £90 a day, how brain dead would you need to be not come home from work each day feeling like a total mug.

"Once again you're confusing opinions with evidence , what you have given is opinions" DryClean


well they obviously dont think the same as you.

employing isn't just about paying the highest wage. there are a number of factors we all use to decide upon whether a job is good for them.

they have had other options but for various reasons the job I offer works well for them

[jay moley]

Why doesn't he already know this ? there's just too much on this thread that doesn't add up.
[/quote]

The back story is that while I started the business I have been totally, and I mean totally out of the business for 6 years due to ill health. My Dad has barely kept it alive while he's done his own full time job. My Dad just did his best without any prior knowledge of window cleaning. So it's not his fault that the business is in a mess. I'm now in a position to start taking it back over. Basically the staff have been taking the mick without my Dad knowing as he didn't know what was possible.

[Dry Clean]

Two people doing £600 a day?

That can't be possible unless you had some commercial work or a few massive houses.

This thread makes me feel like a massive c

hi jay,

its very possible.

i average £400 a day one man per van on domestics. not every day as some rounds are incomplete, but some are over £400

we've been doing £600 on domestics a day with 2 people  for years (before i split the guys up last year

i pay my guys who can do this £90 a day fully employed. they've been with me for over 5 years

it depends on the average price per house, but also your setup and your training. i could only train guys to hit these figures when i could do it myself. before i could do it myself (i started off just office based) the guys were telling me its impossible to hit £300 a day

some people will say it depends on what area of the country you are in.. but i have people in my same area who think they cant change over £10 a house

hope this is food for thought.

R

Knocking out £400 worth of work for £90 a day, how brain dead would you need to be not come home from work each day feeling like a total mug.

"Once again you're confusing opinions with evidence , what you have given is opinions" DryClean


well they obviously dont think the same as you.

employing isn't just about paying the highest wage. there are a number of factors we all use to decide upon whether a job is good for them.

they have had other options but for various reasons the job I offer works well for them

Most factories local to me offer £600 or more a week/ sick pay pensions and so on so and still find it hard enough to recruit so if can get reliable guys to clean windows for that sort of money then fair play to you, more so in an area where £400 is possible to do daily which would lead me to believe that a shortage of decent employment wouldn't be a factor.

[Crystal-clear]

Why doesn't he already know this ? there's just too much on this thread that doesn't add up.

The back story is that while I started the business I have been totally, and I mean totally out of the business for 6 years due to ill health. My Dad has barely kept it alive while he's done his own full time job. My Dad just did his best without any prior knowledge of window cleaning. So it's not his fault that the business is in a mess. I'm now in a position to start taking it back over. Basically the staff have been taking the mick without my Dad knowing as he didn't know what was possible.
[/quote]
OK well that all makes sense thanks for sharing that.
So you know what to do then get out tomorrow and find out where the target should be.
You're not running a charity they need to make targets.

It's unrealistic to find someone who's going to work as hard and correct as you so whatever target you reach I would deduct 10% of that
It's all about the Weekly average tho some days you'll clean less some more. So if you really pushed yourself and managed say £2500 then you should accept about £2200-£2300 anything else is a bonus.

As everyone agreed in the long term your better of changing it to one man per van.

So tomorrow get up at the crack of dawn and make
A change for the better good luck!

[Dry Clean]

Why doesn't he already know this ? there's just too much on this thread that doesn't add up.

The back story is that while I started the business I have been totally, and I mean totally out of the business for 6 years due to ill health. My Dad has barely kept it alive while he's done his own full time job. My Dad just did his best without any prior knowledge of window cleaning. So it's not his fault that the business is in a mess. I'm now in a position to start taking it back over. Basically the staff have been taking the mick without my Dad knowing as he didn't know what was possible.
[/quote]
What I mean is most guys would build a round working by themselves so before employing they would know what its possible to earn, do in a day, you will need to know this before going any further.